TheFarrier
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And yes Chestnuttymare we do care about our profession thank you
Laws On Farriery
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Tinypony
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I don't know if you guys are refering to what I have said? Or a combination of what has been said by others as well. If it's me then you need to re-read my earlier posts, I don't tar all farriers with the same brush, I've tried to be even-handed. I've also carefully explained about my personal experience and related my good farrier experience.
Nor did I say that Gekko was the person alleging the "3-days to trim professionally" myth, however it was related on the earlier page, and I'd like to see it substantiated - one day, maybe not in this discussion.
I'll re-state my position, I think that all horse owners need to get informed about hooves and shoeing. That way they stand some chance of spotting when things are going wrong, be it a farrier or a trimmer who has their horse's hoof in their hands. I also think that we all need to make informed decisions about who deals with our horses, so rather than taking anyone's word that they are qualified - check. Rather than just dragging out the Yellow Pages - get personal recommendation. This goes for so much in the horse world sadly, people are being duped all the time.
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What we farriers have against barefoot trimmers is that they use (i wont say again what Gekko did about cultishness) the argument that shoes are evil and that FARRIERS dont know how to trim!!
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Who's tarring with the same brush there? It's not true, we had a horse on my yard who was in a bad state with his feet (arguably aggravated by bad shoeing). My trimmer had a look at him, has an amicable discussion about foot balance with his new farrer, and agreed that shoes were the best option for this old horse. Oh, the new farrier felt the condition was aggravated by bad shoeing, just in case you think the trimmer was running farriers down. His words as he first looked at the feet were pretty much "Fcuckin 'ell!".
Nor did I say that Gekko was the person alleging the "3-days to trim professionally" myth, however it was related on the earlier page, and I'd like to see it substantiated - one day, maybe not in this discussion.
I'll re-state my position, I think that all horse owners need to get informed about hooves and shoeing. That way they stand some chance of spotting when things are going wrong, be it a farrier or a trimmer who has their horse's hoof in their hands. I also think that we all need to make informed decisions about who deals with our horses, so rather than taking anyone's word that they are qualified - check. Rather than just dragging out the Yellow Pages - get personal recommendation. This goes for so much in the horse world sadly, people are being duped all the time.
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What we farriers have against barefoot trimmers is that they use (i wont say again what Gekko did about cultishness) the argument that shoes are evil and that FARRIERS dont know how to trim!!
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Who's tarring with the same brush there? It's not true, we had a horse on my yard who was in a bad state with his feet (arguably aggravated by bad shoeing). My trimmer had a look at him, has an amicable discussion about foot balance with his new farrer, and agreed that shoes were the best option for this old horse. Oh, the new farrier felt the condition was aggravated by bad shoeing, just in case you think the trimmer was running farriers down. His words as he first looked at the feet were pretty much "Fcuckin 'ell!".
Tinypony
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i have seen ''trimmer'' courses that are as short as three days! and then these people can charge others to do the same on their horses. they are not monitored or regulated over here
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This is the course we are after Farrier. If you can find the details, let us know. We're not daft and will be more than eager to spread the word for people to avoid anyone coming out of a course like that.
i have seen ''trimmer'' courses that are as short as three days! and then these people can charge others to do the same on their horses. they are not monitored or regulated over here
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This is the course we are after Farrier. If you can find the details, let us know. We're not daft and will be more than eager to spread the word for people to avoid anyone coming out of a course like that.
TheFarrier
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What i would like to know from you then is how long your barefoot trainer trains for, whith whom etc.
This is what farriers are against, this unregulated free for all.
There are three day courses, i wish i knew more because there are people coming out of these (especially in parts of europe) and charging people for a trim.
And i am sorry but i am not tarring all with the same brush. This is how barefoot trimmers are pushing themselves especially in my area. This IS what is happening and we dont like it.
This is what farriers are against, this unregulated free for all.
There are three day courses, i wish i knew more because there are people coming out of these (especially in parts of europe) and charging people for a trim.
And i am sorry but i am not tarring all with the same brush. This is how barefoot trimmers are pushing themselves especially in my area. This IS what is happening and we dont like it.
Tinypony
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My trimmer is one of the best trained in the country in my opinion Farrier, but then I count myself lucky. She has studied long and hard with more than one person. I have no qualms about her abilities, but like many, I'm concerned at some others I've met!
The barefoot trimming movement won't go away, so my hope is that the two sides - farriers and trimmers - can come together to make a safer service for the customers.
The barefoot trimming movement won't go away, so my hope is that the two sides - farriers and trimmers - can come together to make a safer service for the customers.
Chestnuttymare
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My point is, why would anyone use a trimmer, rather than a good pro. farrier. My farrier takes £15 to trim my barefoot one, whereas, i think someone said that the trimmer person takes £20 or £25. So why pay more for someone who far less training than a farrier? It just doesn't make sense to me.
I just don't understand the idea behind barefoot trimming.
I also agree that we, as horse owners, should know more about the feet. I am keen to learn, but regardless of how much i had learned, I would still never try and trim their feet.
I just don't understand the idea behind barefoot trimming.
I also agree that we, as horse owners, should know more about the feet. I am keen to learn, but regardless of how much i had learned, I would still never try and trim their feet.
TheFarrier
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thats what i charge and in this area BT's have been known to ask for £50!!!
how ridiculous is that, more money for less training
As farriers we dont understand the barefoot trimming trend either, why have a trimmer when we are more qualified to do the job? Thats like going to a massage therapist (who has some training) when what you really need is a physiotherapist
how ridiculous is that, more money for less training
As farriers we dont understand the barefoot trimming trend either, why have a trimmer when we are more qualified to do the job? Thats like going to a massage therapist (who has some training) when what you really need is a physiotherapist
stubbs1978
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RUBBISH TALK....Who says my barefoot trimmer hasnt trained for just as long if not longer??
TheFarrier
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Your barefoot trimmer has done a four/five year apprenticeship?? Your barefoot trimmer has done a further Associate qualification?
Your barefoot trimmer has done a two year thesis in order to be come a Fellow in the FRC???
Your barefoot trimmer has to attend seminars and training courses to the tune of 10 or more CPD points, EVERY YEAR???
Your barefoot trimmer has done a two year thesis in order to be come a Fellow in the FRC???
Your barefoot trimmer has to attend seminars and training courses to the tune of 10 or more CPD points, EVERY YEAR???
Tinypony
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"Why would anyone use a trimmer rather than a good pro farrier?". Just for you, I will copy and paste my personal explanation from the first page.
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The lady who trims my horses does them for £20 each, and has studied with various people over the last 3 years, I have faith in her, but not all trimmers. The same goes for farriers. I had a farrier that did a good regular trim and kept my horses sound for work, when he moved away I couldn't find one who would treat my barefoot horses as seriously as the shod horses they worked with. That is why I have got a trimmer now.
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After my old farrier moved away I rang the farrier he recommended, but he said it wasn't worth visiting me (within 10 miles of his house!) for 3 trims. I rang all around and eventually found a farrier who would come. He was very unreliable, but he would always come eventually. The problem was, he didn't take our appointments seriously. He thought nothing of cancelling an appointment and eventually coming 3 weeks later. He said "they'll be fine", but they weren't. He would book my trims at the end of the day, so he could ring me and say he'd got held up with some shoeing and would have to reschedule. When your horses work with no shoes, they need proper regular maintenance. I also couldn't get him to address flare, and you know the impact that has on the hoof. So eventually I had to part with him and go with the trimmer. My horse's hooves have never looked better, so that has worked for me. [ QUOTE ]
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The lady who trims my horses does them for £20 each, and has studied with various people over the last 3 years, I have faith in her, but not all trimmers. The same goes for farriers. I had a farrier that did a good regular trim and kept my horses sound for work, when he moved away I couldn't find one who would treat my barefoot horses as seriously as the shod horses they worked with. That is why I have got a trimmer now.
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After my old farrier moved away I rang the farrier he recommended, but he said it wasn't worth visiting me (within 10 miles of his house!) for 3 trims. I rang all around and eventually found a farrier who would come. He was very unreliable, but he would always come eventually. The problem was, he didn't take our appointments seriously. He thought nothing of cancelling an appointment and eventually coming 3 weeks later. He said "they'll be fine", but they weren't. He would book my trims at the end of the day, so he could ring me and say he'd got held up with some shoeing and would have to reschedule. When your horses work with no shoes, they need proper regular maintenance. I also couldn't get him to address flare, and you know the impact that has on the hoof. So eventually I had to part with him and go with the trimmer. My horse's hooves have never looked better, so that has worked for me. [ QUOTE ]
DressageDevil
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(and what they are doing is generally a basic grass turn out trim)
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I haven't read through the whole thread but I have to say I do not agree with this statement!
I have shod horses, pasture trimmed horses and horses seen by an EP and the 'propper barefoot' horses feet are trimmed VERY differently indeed!
My farrier is studying them with interest and is even thinking about training to do 'barefoot' trims too! He said, and I quote "thats an interesting trim, nothing like we are taught but I can see why it would work"
He is off on a 3 day workshop next month, not to train as it takes much longer than that
but to get a bit more insight into the whys and wherefores.....
Also just wanted to add, IF my farrier does train to be a BF trimmer then WHEN he is experienced enough I will be happy for him to trim my BF horses too.
My BF trimmer used to be a 'normal' farrier but now only does BF trimming and no longer has the equipment to shoe otherwise I would have had them see to the horses various requirements....
(and what they are doing is generally a basic grass turn out trim)
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I haven't read through the whole thread but I have to say I do not agree with this statement!
I have shod horses, pasture trimmed horses and horses seen by an EP and the 'propper barefoot' horses feet are trimmed VERY differently indeed!
My farrier is studying them with interest and is even thinking about training to do 'barefoot' trims too! He said, and I quote "thats an interesting trim, nothing like we are taught but I can see why it would work"
He is off on a 3 day workshop next month, not to train as it takes much longer than that
Also just wanted to add, IF my farrier does train to be a BF trimmer then WHEN he is experienced enough I will be happy for him to trim my BF horses too.
My BF trimmer used to be a 'normal' farrier but now only does BF trimming and no longer has the equipment to shoe otherwise I would have had them see to the horses various requirements....
TheFarrier
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That i have not seen, certainly not in my area. All i haveseen them do here is a grass turn out trim
PapaFrita
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Farriers in my experience always want a horse to have shoes, the old farrier i had 4year ago even after I lost 2 shoes in 2 weeks that ripped half her foot away I asked if it would be worth keeping her barefoot to get some growth and he didnt even think about it just wanted to chuck a shoe back on, its all about the money that's why they dont want barefoot trimmers to get the same recognition as farriers!!
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You've not had my farriers. It was a farrier who persuaded me to leave PF unshod in the first place and never once tried to put on a shoe subsequently. My next farrier was equally in favour of keeping her, and my others, barefoot.
Farriers in my experience always want a horse to have shoes, the old farrier i had 4year ago even after I lost 2 shoes in 2 weeks that ripped half her foot away I asked if it would be worth keeping her barefoot to get some growth and he didnt even think about it just wanted to chuck a shoe back on, its all about the money that's why they dont want barefoot trimmers to get the same recognition as farriers!!
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You've not had my farriers. It was a farrier who persuaded me to leave PF unshod in the first place and never once tried to put on a shoe subsequently. My next farrier was equally in favour of keeping her, and my others, barefoot.
Tinypony
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The unreliable farrier that I used for a while, to be fair to him, was very interested in the Jaime Jackson and KC trimming. He said he could see differences as well, but however interested he would have eventually got - I needed him to actually turn up to do the trims didn't I?
Certainly, he treated my lot as pasture trims, if he hadn't he would have come more regularly to keep the feet growing in a good shape and control the flare.
Certainly, he treated my lot as pasture trims, if he hadn't he would have come more regularly to keep the feet growing in a good shape and control the flare.
DressageDevil
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Maybe you have only seen the work of 'con men/women' rather than the fully trained BF trimmers?
I do agree that there are a lot of people out there who are trimming without training propperly BUT if owners weren't stupid enough to let them near their horses then there wouldn't be a problem!
I also know of several people in my area using a so called farrier for pasture trims who has never been trained at all, he is an old boy who claims to have been afarrier on the farm horses but only does trims now due to his health, its b*llsh*t! He grew up with my grandfather and has never been a farrier but people just don't check up!
I do agree that there are a lot of people out there who are trimming without training propperly BUT if owners weren't stupid enough to let them near their horses then there wouldn't be a problem!
I also know of several people in my area using a so called farrier for pasture trims who has never been trained at all, he is an old boy who claims to have been afarrier on the farm horses but only does trims now due to his health, its b*llsh*t! He grew up with my grandfather and has never been a farrier but people just don't check up!
TheFarrier
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Farriers in my experience always want a horse to have shoes, the old farrier i had 4year ago even after I lost 2 shoes in 2 weeks that ripped half her foot away I asked if it would be worth keeping her barefoot to get some growth and he didnt even think about it just wanted to chuck a shoe back on, its all about the money that's why they dont want barefoot trimmers to get the same recognition as farriers!!
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You've not had my farriers. It was a farrier who persuaded me to leave PF unshod in the first place and never once tried to put on a shoe subsequently. My next farrier was equally in favour of keeping her, and my others, barefoot.
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This is they type of bashing we farriers have been up against since the start of the barefoot movement. Including but not limited to shoes are evil, the hoof is an organ, farriers dont know how to trim and of course all farriers can do is shoe because they can charge more
Personally? I do(or suggest) what is best for the horse
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Farriers in my experience always want a horse to have shoes, the old farrier i had 4year ago even after I lost 2 shoes in 2 weeks that ripped half her foot away I asked if it would be worth keeping her barefoot to get some growth and he didnt even think about it just wanted to chuck a shoe back on, its all about the money that's why they dont want barefoot trimmers to get the same recognition as farriers!!
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You've not had my farriers. It was a farrier who persuaded me to leave PF unshod in the first place and never once tried to put on a shoe subsequently. My next farrier was equally in favour of keeping her, and my others, barefoot.
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This is they type of bashing we farriers have been up against since the start of the barefoot movement. Including but not limited to shoes are evil, the hoof is an organ, farriers dont know how to trim and of course all farriers can do is shoe because they can charge more
Personally? I do(or suggest) what is best for the horse
PapaFrita
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I'm not farrier bashing!! I loved my farrier!! I'm still in touch with him. I love my current farrier as well, but not as much as the one I had in England
DressageDevil
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I would say that MOST farriers I have met in my lifetime have been against WORKING horses being barefoot but I think that was because there was and to an extent still is a longstanding belief that a working horse needs shoes.
HOWEVER thoughts are changing and I have noticed over more recent years farriers being much more open to horses working barefoot.....
HOWEVER thoughts are changing and I have noticed over more recent years farriers being much more open to horses working barefoot.....
TheFarrier
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That is exactly what I am trying to say! what farriers want is for these so called barefoot trimmers/equine podiatrists to be monitored and controlled as strictly as we are and to under go regularised training. so that there are no cowboys out there butchering feet
its because this DOES NOT happen that we have this inundation of so called barefoot trimmers!! the ones that steal clients using the methods above and butcher horses feet
its because this DOES NOT happen that we have this inundation of so called barefoot trimmers!! the ones that steal clients using the methods above and butcher horses feet
TheFarrier
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I was agreeing with you
i was notaccusing you of farrier bashing, just that your post highlighted it
i was notaccusing you of farrier bashing, just that your post highlighted it
PapaFrita
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Phew! I'm quite emotive about farriers... I think in many circumstances they're better than *whispers* vets!
TheFarrier
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My wife thinks the same!! about the *shhhhhh* vets
I always tell my clients to ring me first because 95% of the time its in thee foot and vets tend to dig big trenches
I always tell my clients to ring me first because 95% of the time its in thee foot and vets tend to dig big trenches
PapaFrita
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i have seen ''trimmer'' courses that are as short as three days! and then these people can charge others to do the same on their horses. they are not monitored or regulated over here
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This is the course we are after Farrier. If you can find the details, let us know. We're not daft and will be more than eager to spread the word for people to avoid anyone coming out of a course like that.
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I've found a coulple of ONE day trimming courses- Sorry 'workshops';
http://www.equethy.com/page10.htm
http://www.barehoofcare.com/trimming.html
Courses starting at one day and as long as 2 whole weeks
http://www.e-hoofcare.com/education/elpo-courses.htm
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i have seen ''trimmer'' courses that are as short as three days! and then these people can charge others to do the same on their horses. they are not monitored or regulated over here
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This is the course we are after Farrier. If you can find the details, let us know. We're not daft and will be more than eager to spread the word for people to avoid anyone coming out of a course like that.
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I've found a coulple of ONE day trimming courses- Sorry 'workshops';
http://www.equethy.com/page10.htm
http://www.barehoofcare.com/trimming.html
Courses starting at one day and as long as 2 whole weeks
http://www.e-hoofcare.com/education/elpo-courses.htm
DressageDevil
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That os exactly what I am trying to say! what farriers want is for these so czlled barefoot trimmers/equine podiatrists to be monitored and controlled as strictly as we are and to under go regularised training.
its because this DOES NOT happen
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Ah but where people will get hot under the collar is when you start bringing into question the training the BF trimmer has had.
A propper BF trimmer will have had as much training as a 'normal' farrier (excluding the shoeing training bit) the problems lies with there being no official governing body for this type of trimming and yes I agree there should be BUT it won't stop those other people continuing to trade it will simply allow those owners who can be bothered to look their trimmer up and check their qualifications.
Belive me I know many many qualified farriers who are butchers before ever they are farriers, qualifications or not I see uneven, unbalanced, high heels, low heels, dumped toes all on one horse yet still they have 100's of clients!
I know some very very good farriers too but I would say there are as many iffy farriers as there are iffy BF trimmers....
A governing body will only help responsible owners the same as being a qualified registered farrier doesn't make you a good farrier BUT it does give agrieved owners somewhere to complain......
That os exactly what I am trying to say! what farriers want is for these so czlled barefoot trimmers/equine podiatrists to be monitored and controlled as strictly as we are and to under go regularised training.
its because this DOES NOT happen
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Ah but where people will get hot under the collar is when you start bringing into question the training the BF trimmer has had.
A propper BF trimmer will have had as much training as a 'normal' farrier (excluding the shoeing training bit) the problems lies with there being no official governing body for this type of trimming and yes I agree there should be BUT it won't stop those other people continuing to trade it will simply allow those owners who can be bothered to look their trimmer up and check their qualifications.
Belive me I know many many qualified farriers who are butchers before ever they are farriers, qualifications or not I see uneven, unbalanced, high heels, low heels, dumped toes all on one horse yet still they have 100's of clients!
I know some very very good farriers too but I would say there are as many iffy farriers as there are iffy BF trimmers....
A governing body will only help responsible owners the same as being a qualified registered farrier doesn't make you a good farrier BUT it does give agrieved owners somewhere to complain......
TheFarrier
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But it does stop them form being allowed to trade. infact the ruling now is that any unregistered afrrier caught practicing the OWNER or person employing them is punished as well.
The FRC is the umbrella under which trimmers should be regulated and the law changed so that they CANNOT practice illegally and unchecked.
The FRC is the umbrella under which trimmers should be regulated and the law changed so that they CANNOT practice illegally and unchecked.
DressageDevil
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In theory but they do and will continue to do so all the while people continue to use them - the same will happen when BF trimmers are all under one governing body.....
Tinypony
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PF, good course links, but the first two don't say that people are qualified to go and trim other people's horses at the end. The third link appears to be courses aimed at people who are already professional trimmers and farriers.
Farrier, I think you would find that most of the reputable trimming organisations would be in favour of some sort of regulation. They would want input though, not to be regulated by the FRC.
Do you all see where this thread is heading? For the most part, we are actually agreeing with each other. We want standards, proper qualification and accreditation and good care for the customers.
One problem here - it's hard to legislate against idiot owners. Just as with people going to "trainers" we hear about from time to time, you can't force people to use common sense.
Farrier, I think you would find that most of the reputable trimming organisations would be in favour of some sort of regulation. They would want input though, not to be regulated by the FRC.
Do you all see where this thread is heading? For the most part, we are actually agreeing with each other. We want standards, proper qualification and accreditation and good care for the customers.
One problem here - it's hard to legislate against idiot owners. Just as with people going to "trainers" we hear about from time to time, you can't force people to use common sense.
Chestnuttymare
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"Why would anyone use a trimmer rather than a good pro farrier?". Just for you, I will copy and paste my personal explanation from the first page.
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The lady who trims my horses does them for £20 each, and has studied with various people over the last 3 years, I have faith in her, but not all trimmers. The same goes for farriers. I had a farrier that did a good regular trim and kept my horses sound for work, when he moved away I couldn't find one who would treat my barefoot horses as seriously as the shod horses they worked with. That is why I have got a trimmer now.
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After my old farrier moved away I rang the farrier he recommended, but he said it wasn't worth visiting me (within 10 miles of his house!) for 3 trims. I rang all around and eventually found a farrier who would come. He was very unreliable, but he would always come eventually. The problem was, he didn't take our appointments seriously. He thought nothing of cancelling an appointment and eventually coming 3 weeks later. He said "they'll be fine", but they weren't. He would book my trims at the end of the day, so he could ring me and say he'd got held up with some shoeing and would have to reschedule. When your horses work with no shoes, they need proper regular maintenance. I also couldn't get him to address flare, and you know the impact that has on the hoof. So eventually I had to part with him and go with the trimmer. My horse's hooves have never looked better, so that has worked for me. [ QUOTE ]
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Just for me?? thanks a lot, but i asked a perfectly reasonable question, not particularly of you as i had already read your reasoning, that you couldn't find a farrier who didn't want to come and trim your horses hmm, i have never found this to be a problem personally. Anyway, i don't think you needed to repeat yourself, there are othe people participating in this thread and was also interested in their opinion.
Of course I am aware that some farriers are better than others, I am lucky to have a good, reliable one, who i trust and know that he has completed his full training and has extensive experience.
There seems to be a lot of doubt and speculation about how long these trimmers have spent learning their job (I won't refer to them as professionals) somewhere between 3 days and 2 years from what i have picked up here.
I actually had the SSPCA inspector pop in to see if i know of a trimmer that he was looking for, as some of the horses he has shod are in such a state that he had been called in. I hope he finds him and stops him inflicting pain and suffering on any more horses.
Personally, i will stick with my farrier, who I know for certain, will treat my horse well and I know will make a good job of their feet
i would also be interested in what insurance these trimmers have.
"Why would anyone use a trimmer rather than a good pro farrier?". Just for you, I will copy and paste my personal explanation from the first page.
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The lady who trims my horses does them for £20 each, and has studied with various people over the last 3 years, I have faith in her, but not all trimmers. The same goes for farriers. I had a farrier that did a good regular trim and kept my horses sound for work, when he moved away I couldn't find one who would treat my barefoot horses as seriously as the shod horses they worked with. That is why I have got a trimmer now.
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After my old farrier moved away I rang the farrier he recommended, but he said it wasn't worth visiting me (within 10 miles of his house!) for 3 trims. I rang all around and eventually found a farrier who would come. He was very unreliable, but he would always come eventually. The problem was, he didn't take our appointments seriously. He thought nothing of cancelling an appointment and eventually coming 3 weeks later. He said "they'll be fine", but they weren't. He would book my trims at the end of the day, so he could ring me and say he'd got held up with some shoeing and would have to reschedule. When your horses work with no shoes, they need proper regular maintenance. I also couldn't get him to address flare, and you know the impact that has on the hoof. So eventually I had to part with him and go with the trimmer. My horse's hooves have never looked better, so that has worked for me. [ QUOTE ]
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Just for me?? thanks a lot, but i asked a perfectly reasonable question, not particularly of you as i had already read your reasoning, that you couldn't find a farrier who didn't want to come and trim your horses hmm, i have never found this to be a problem personally. Anyway, i don't think you needed to repeat yourself, there are othe people participating in this thread and was also interested in their opinion.
Of course I am aware that some farriers are better than others, I am lucky to have a good, reliable one, who i trust and know that he has completed his full training and has extensive experience.
There seems to be a lot of doubt and speculation about how long these trimmers have spent learning their job (I won't refer to them as professionals) somewhere between 3 days and 2 years from what i have picked up here.
I actually had the SSPCA inspector pop in to see if i know of a trimmer that he was looking for, as some of the horses he has shod are in such a state that he had been called in. I hope he finds him and stops him inflicting pain and suffering on any more horses.
Personally, i will stick with my farrier, who I know for certain, will treat my horse well and I know will make a good job of their feet
i would also be interested in what insurance these trimmers have.
TheFarrier
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We are not really agreeing. I have yet to see a decent trimmer and tbh dont actually understand the need for them when we are more than qualified (and a lot more qualified than they are) to do the job.
Since they seem to be around they do need regulating and monitoring because it is a free for all and its doing damage.
Rightly said by chestnuttymare is what sort of insurance do they carry?
It is the owners choice to use a BT at the end of the day. What we as farriers have an issue with this the attitude of the BT. Slagging us off and our practice off to get clients (this doesnt lend to an informed decision) it is annoying and at the end of the day is the horse owners decision and as long as they are using one that IS decently trained (and how can you know if they have not been regulatet, at least any farrier you call has done the training and even if he may not be the one for you and your horse he has done a regularised amount of training)
Calling us butchers for nailing shoes onto feet. sometimes shoes area necessary evil. Some horses cant go barefoot. And i have NEVER told an owner that their horse should be shod when there is no need. In fact it is the opposite when i have owners who do not want to take the shoes off (because the feet badly need a rest) but the owner cant face the rest period for the hooves to recover.
Anyway. I find some clients are very lax about foot care and leave horses between shoings far far far too long (have one client who has left the horse shod over 18 weeks now and no the shoes have not come off) but she does not have the money and i cannot make her have the horse done. its not right but what can i do. and people leave trims for rediculous amounts of time only ringing when the feet are falling appart rather than booking their horses in regularly and responsibly.
it works both ways
Since they seem to be around they do need regulating and monitoring because it is a free for all and its doing damage.
Rightly said by chestnuttymare is what sort of insurance do they carry?
It is the owners choice to use a BT at the end of the day. What we as farriers have an issue with this the attitude of the BT. Slagging us off and our practice off to get clients (this doesnt lend to an informed decision) it is annoying and at the end of the day is the horse owners decision and as long as they are using one that IS decently trained (and how can you know if they have not been regulatet, at least any farrier you call has done the training and even if he may not be the one for you and your horse he has done a regularised amount of training)
Calling us butchers for nailing shoes onto feet. sometimes shoes area necessary evil. Some horses cant go barefoot. And i have NEVER told an owner that their horse should be shod when there is no need. In fact it is the opposite when i have owners who do not want to take the shoes off (because the feet badly need a rest) but the owner cant face the rest period for the hooves to recover.
Anyway. I find some clients are very lax about foot care and leave horses between shoings far far far too long (have one client who has left the horse shod over 18 weeks now and no the shoes have not come off) but she does not have the money and i cannot make her have the horse done. its not right but what can i do. and people leave trims for rediculous amounts of time only ringing when the feet are falling appart rather than booking their horses in regularly and responsibly.
it works both ways
Tinypony
Well-Known Member
What sort of insurance do you think they carry? Any professional with any sense makes sure they are properly insured.
Sadly, it seems to me that farriers are just as happy to "slag off" all barefoot trimmers as they allege barefoot trimmers are happy to do the same to them.
I think I'll give up on this thread now, it's got circular.
p.s. Chesnutty mare, didn't mean to upset you, I never intentionally upset people. It was just that you didn't see why anyone would use a trimmer, and I was pointing out that I'd already explained at least one reason. I genuinely thought you hadn't read that.
Sadly, it seems to me that farriers are just as happy to "slag off" all barefoot trimmers as they allege barefoot trimmers are happy to do the same to them.
I think I'll give up on this thread now, it's got circular.
p.s. Chesnutty mare, didn't mean to upset you, I never intentionally upset people. It was just that you didn't see why anyone would use a trimmer, and I was pointing out that I'd already explained at least one reason. I genuinely thought you hadn't read that.