Leasing of horse with kissing spines

[Toby_Zaphod]

I would not lease or buy that horse with a view to jumping 1.25m classes. It has serious medical issues which will be exacerbated by jumping him. The horses owner should be ashamed of their actions trying to make money from their animal who has serious issues. I presume they would give him pain killers when he's to be jumped. I think it's a disgrace.

 

[ihatework]

That’s an exceptionally steep lease fee! Leave well alone.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Im sure you can find a sound one for that money

 

[QueenT]

I just feel very sorry for the horse.

What are you thinking, specifically? It’s clinically sound now, and in full work, but I don’t like the risk of moving the horse around

 

[JBM]

What are you thinking, specifically? It’s clinically sound now, and in full work, but I don’t like the risk of moving the horse around

Just because horse is sound doesn’t mean he isn’t in pain. horses can hide it well, you know he has kissing spine it would be a miracle if he was pain free

 

[Barton Bounty]

What are you thinking, specifically? It’s clinically sound now, and in full work, but I don’t like the risk of moving the horse around

Has the horse had surgery? Or rehabilitation for it?

Some horses do come sound after either of the above but generally they are not able to cope with the workload they were before.

A horse is not sound if it has kissing spines. Just because it can trot without hobbling does not make it sound.
And then there is the hocks…..

You would be leasing or buying a vet bill

 

[Fieldlife]

Just because horse is sound doesn’t mean he isn’t in pain. horses can hide it well, you know he has kissing spine it would be a miracle if he was pain free

Depends how KS was diagnosed.

MANY horses including high level competition horse have KS on X-rays but are sound and successful.

AFAIK a diagnosis of active pain causing KS should show on X-rays and show an improvement when nerve block affected area.

X-rays alone are not a diagnosis.

 

[JBM]

Depends how KS was diagnosed.

MANY horses including high level competition horse have KS on X-rays but are sound and successful.

AFAIK a diagnosis of active pain causing KS should show on X-rays and show an improvement when nerve block affected area.

X-rays alone are not a diagnosis.

I mean I think it depends there are many horses at high level competition with kissing spine yeah but I don’t know if we can say they’re not in pain. People are getting better at understanding pain signals in horses and a lot of horses at high level are labelled as dramatic or excited. Could just be pain personally I would take a horse with kissing spine as a horse with an injury

 

[conniegirl]

Typical lease fee for a competition horse is 10% of the horses value per year. So in this case that is £4500 a year maximum (probably less due to the KS reducing its value). Thats £375 a month, not £1500!!!

Don’t touch with a barge polw

 

[estela]

Personally I wouldn't go there. I too am sure the horse must be in some sort of pain. I believe there is a successful op for this.

 

[ycbm]

Depends how KS was diagnosed.

MANY horses including high level competition horse have KS on X-rays but are sound and successful.

AFAIK a diagnosis of active pain causing KS should show on X-rays and show an improvement when nerve block affected area.

X-rays alone are not a diagnosis.

I do and don't agree with you. Yes it's possible for kissing spines not to be causing any apparent pain. But x rays should show whether the bone impingement is active or old and settled, and any activity causing current damage to the spine has to be a welfare issue.
.

 

[Trouper]

I would like to think the welfare of the horse was the priority here - not the costs involved.

 

[Nasicus]

You'd be absolutely off your rocker to pay 1500 anything a month for that.

 

[sbloom]

Typical lease fee for a competition horse is 10% of the horses value per year. So in this case that is £4500 a year maximum (probably less due to the KS reducing its value). Thats £375 a month, not £1500!!!

Don’t touch with a barge polw

I'm guessing the poster is in the US, no idea whether similar %s apply there but I know with the exchange rate their prices seem especially high to us at the moment (not that that affects a %!).

 

[conniegirl]

I'm guessing the poster is in the US, no idea whether similar %s apply there but I know with the exchange rate their prices seem especially high to us at the moment (not that that affects a %!).

Given she quotes the price in Euros i doubt the US.

 

[sbloom]

Given she quotes the price in Euros i doubt the US.

Oops, I must have read it as $ knowing how many leases there are in the US...I'll just shut up (though the exchange rate still makes stuff look expensive)

 

[poiuytrewq]

Yes, but there is option to terminate contract w three months’ notice, so we can get out of it if vet bills run up

You could still be responsible for a heck of a lot of vet bills in 3 months. I’d be giving this a big miss.

 

[JBM]

Here’s a nice horse competing to 1.10 for 15k

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

This has to be a wind up surely? No one in their right mind would consider buying, leasing, loaning this horse on almost any terms, no matter how high the piece of stick it can jump over.

 

[QueenT]

Thanks for all comments and reality checks! I was quite shocked when they came back with the price tag on this, but really wanted to check if it’s me completely out of touch with how this works. Dodged a bullet there, I think…

 

[Nasicus]

Thanks for all comments and reality checks! I was quite shocked when they came back with the price tag on this, but really wanted to check if it’s me completely out of touch with how this works. Dodged a bullet there, I think…

Dodged a whole nuke!

 

[Fieldlife]

Typical lease fee for a competition horse is 10% of the horses value per year. So in this case that is £4500 a year maximum (probably less due to the KS reducing its value). Thats £375 a month, not £1500!!!

Don’t touch with a barge polw

10-30% depending on level

 

[Bellaboo18]

It’s clinically sound right now and have no symptoms, we didn’t want the long-term risk

Aren't you concerned from a welfare/pain point of view?