Licensed breeders.......

ester said:
did anyone else see the 'we are making another your new puppy program' advert posted yesterday. It was one of those I think where they were giving people advice, and despite all of that one of them still got a cockerpoo from someone who was at least a very commercial breeder. So I'm not sure how that gap gets bridged or what fills the gap for 'puppy supply' for those people. Especially those who have decided they will have one and therefore want one fairly quickly.
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Yeah, saw that. No matter what that show intends to show about how complicated a new puppy can be, they always just end up encouraging people who haven't done their research to go out and buy a schnoodle.

Hey it worked out for those idiots who bought a dapple-merle mico teacup daxie from a shed at the side of the road for £2000, we can do it too!
 
CorvusCorax said:
I disagree, I've had plenty of people come to events and I and others are happy to spend the time talking to them, even if I'm busy. As I'm pleased they took the time to do it.
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That's super to hear! Maybe that's just me projecting my own social anxiety on to the situation, I would be so paranoid about being an annoyance lol
 
I do remember as a kid taking photos at a local dog show (doing a holiday project I was ;) ) accosting a lady out of the ring and asking her what her dog was.
It was a Lhasa apso, I must have got her to write it down I think!
 
I went to a breed club open show when I was looking for a dog in a breed new to me, though admittedly I was invited and introduced to everyone by a mutual friend that I'd met years previously through agility. I was plonked in a seat, given a catalogue and a cup of coffee and told to watch and learn. :p

Paid it back this year with a stint on Discover Dogs, for an introvert I ended up talking until I was hoarse, LOL! So no, nobody minds, as long as you're not asking questions of people literally on the start line or about to go in the ring.
 
ester said:
Surely the reasons why people don't understand the law and its administration are probably important then though?
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Very, but sadly the public want cheap puppies and until the internet stops allowing advertising on platforms like gumtree etc unlicensed/unregulated breeders will keep advertising and selling. I spend a big part of my working week mopping up the mess and heart break. Sadly there is no educating the public, same with horse selling really.

If everyone bought from regulated premises when problems do (and yes they do) occur they can be helped and welfare issues dealt with, be it licence suspension, revocation or prosecution, or even simple guidance.

Hobby breeders have a place of course, they are key in working dog breeding especially and generally operate at very low volume without advertising or marketing. Some do opt to go down the licensing route, some don't but all provide puppies to people they know be it first hand or second and treasured/proven blood lines are kept going.
 
AdorableAlice said:
There is everything the public needs easily accessible in the public domain. You and some others simply don't understand the law and its administration.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ties-licensing-guidance-for-local-authorities
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And you are evidently refusing to see the disadvantages of the scheme which I have clearly laid out.... I don’t see any value in repeating the same conversation that we have had on a number of occasions already so I shall cease to engage with you and simply accept that we have radically differing viewpoints about the effectiveness of the scheme
 
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What is worrying me slightly, not so much that it is making it difficult for me to find a new puppy, but for future welfare of puppies that are being bought during the pandemic. Some people I have contacted have told me I have no chance of getting a puppy anytime this year as demand has sky rocketed since lock down. :oops:

If it that is true, and is a case of people now being stuck at home all day and perhaps walking more to exercise etc., have suddenly thought what a wonderful idea to buy a puppy. When they go back to work and don't have all the leisure time to look after and raise a young dog, will those appealing puppies turn into loutish juvenile dogs with no attention or ongoing training and become yet another statistic of the thousands of unwanted dogs abandoned or surrendered every year here in Ireland?

I do not know about the Uk but here in Ireland seeing pedigree dogs that probably cost the original owner a fair amount of money as a pup can be found in the pounds up and down the country on a pretty regular basis. So sad
 
smolmaus said:
I have seen people recommend that you spend time attending local shows just to watch and meeting people showing the breed you want and building some contacts through just chatting. Which is a great idea but I honestly don't think the majority of people would do that or that people showing their dogs would necessarily want to be pestered by the general public on that sort of scale.
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It’s part of dog showing ? People are generally positive and helpful and keen to engage with others who are interested in and keen to learn about their breed - and there is nothing a dog show person generally likes more than talking about their breed ???

It’s the same as when I walk my dogs, because I have a few I attract a lot of attention and generally act as an unofficial cheerleader for ex-racing greyhounds and what fabulous pets they make. I never mind stopping and chatting about what great dogs they are, overcoming a few common misconceptions (usually that they need loads of exercise ?) and nothing makes me happier than when a family goes and adopts a Greyhound after meeting mine, which has happened on quite a few occasions.
 
Mrs Jingle said:
What is worrying me slightly, not so much that it is making it difficult for me to find a new puppy, but for future welfare of puppies that are being bought during the pandemic. Some people I have contacted have told me I have no chance of getting a puppy anytime this year as demand has sky rocketed since lock down. :oops:

If it that is true, and is a case of people now being stuck at home all day and perhaps walking more to exercise etc., have suddenly thought what a wonderful idea to buy a puppy. When they go back to work and don't have all the leisure time to look after and raise a young dog, will those appealing puppies turn into loutish juvenile dogs with no attention or ongoing training and become yet another statistic of the thousands of unwanted dogs abandoned or surrendered every year here in Ireland?

I do not know about the Uk but here in Ireland seeing pedigree dogs that probably cost the original owner a fair amount of money as a pup can be found in the pounds up and down the country on a pretty regular basis. So sad
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I got my pup a month ago and a number of people have asked whether I got it due to the pandemic, I say no (but I'm not sure whether they believe me or whether I care anyway) but I know of a few people personally who have got it because they've got the time and nothing else to do, the separation anxiety problems will go through the roof. I would hope breeders would go through this with potential owners mine certainly did
 
Levrier said:
And you are evidently refusing to see the disadvantages of the scheme which I have clearly laid out.... I don’t see any value in repeating the same conversation that we have had on a number of occasions already so I shall cease to engage with you and simply accept that we have radically differing viewpoints about the effectiveness of the scheme
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It would help you to understand the difference between a 'scheme' and law that has been through lengthy consultation and Parliament. You rightly, have an opinion and a viewpoint (on many subjects). I don't have a viewpoint or opinion as I work with law, stated fact and legal process with the sole purpose of preventing suffering to animals and educating the public.
 
Sukhpreet Aujla said:
I got my pup a month ago and a number of people have asked whether I got it due to the pandemic, I say no (but I'm not sure whether they believe me or whether I care anyway) but I know of a few people personally who have got it because they've got the time and nothing else to do, the separation anxiety problems will go through the roof. I would hope breeders would go through this with potential owners mine certainly did
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The obtaining of puppies and kittens has escalated hugely due to Corvid 19. in some areas demand is outstripping availability thankfully. Vets and regulators are referring to the situation as 'puppy for Corvid' similar to 'puppy for xmas' and both plus the rescue centres are bracing ourselves for the fall out that is certain to come.
 
CorvusCorax said:
I think there needs to be an entire national conversation over the way we look at companion animals.
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I agree with this; all the laws and pieces of legislation produced by the government/animal organisations are far too subjective and only patchily reinforced at best. If you think it's bad with dogs you should see what goes on with some so-called registered chinchilla and small animal breeders :(
 
AdorableAlice said:
It would help you to understand the difference between a 'scheme' and law that has been through lengthy consultation and Parliament. You rightly, have an opinion and a viewpoint (on many subjects). I don't have a viewpoint or opinion as I work with law, stated fact and legal process with the sole purpose of preventing suffering to animals and educating the public.
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it doesn’t work - animals are still suffering and being exploited for money (as with this puppy farmer), the public (as illustrated on this forum, not just by me) are not being educated.
 
It would help if there was an easily understandable/accessible publicity campaign around new pieces of legislation like this if it is so hard for the public to find/make sense of.

But I've found that people complain about puppy farmers and backyard breeders then don't like any legislation that's brought in when it effects them too ?
 
I was actually thinking vaguely about this as I walked the dogs this afternoon - I apologise AA, I have been aiming my frustrations with the legislation/approach at you when you simply happen to be the only person in your role who comes onto this particular forum to talk about it. This is not your issue, it is much wider thing for me in terms of my personal view of the ineffectiveness of the legislation overall.

I suppose a comparison for me is saying that a large %age of the population have a job in the UK, so everyone should know about employment law as it is all out there and clearly published. Sadly people don’t, as can be seen from the numerous questions on the forum and the existence of ACAS, employment lawyers and tribunals.

I agree with CC, I would like to see information posters about the legislation being put up - maybe in vets surgeries, shops like PetsAtHome, that kind of thing - which explain what the law is about and what it seeks to achieve. And also what it tries to STOP - back yard breeders, puppy farmers, exploitation of animals etc.

Those of us who have seen it all before can identify a puppy farmer a mile off - multiple breeds, numerous puppies, designer crosses and ‘special’ colours - but people are taken in over and over again. That’s the sort of thing we need to be educating puppy buyers about IMO.

and I’ll get off my soapbox now ??
 
druid said:
MrsJingle - i'm in Ireland and breed working ESS. I aso have fully health tested dogs - send me a PM and I'll get you in contact with breeders of fully health tested (Genuine) working lab breeders in Ireland
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I love this forum!

AdorableAlice said:
Are you a rook or a raven :eek::D
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Jackdaw, more of a manageable size.
 
Supposedly P.T. Barnum said that no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people. Looks like the Brits could be included in that statement.
 
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