LIHS on BBC tonight

[humblepie]

Just watched the under 25 championship - how nicely ridden. I think this year the horses all seem to be going much more nicely in the show jumping in general (with the proviso I haven't show jumped for years and didn't really get much past Foxhunter, so not that qualified to comment).

 

[lar]

I'm sure the Household Cavalry are doing exciting things but you'd never know it from the dreadful coverage.

 

[humblepie]

I'm sure the Household Cavalry are doing exciting things but you'd never know it from the dreadful coverage.

Just missed what happened. Hope all okay. The coverage of the dressage wasn’t very good as too close up and weird angles but the show jumping fine.

 

[teapot]

Two collided with each other.

 

[Crazy_cat_lady]

Think one of the horses backed off the flags so the timing didn't work and they collided.

The lead guy looked really scary, wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him, he looked very young as well.

I wonder if they've received any complaints about the term for part of the group, no doubt people will have managed to complain about it!

 

[teapot]

Think one of the horses backed off the flags so the timing didn't work and they collided.

The lead guy looked really scary, wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him, he looked very young as well.

I wonder if they've received any complaints about the term for part of the group, no doubt people will have managed to complain about it!

He'll be in his 20s.

I'm not sure there's any historical race issue related to it, more their climbing ability.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I hope that all those involved in the collision (which I haven't seen) are ok.

I am very surprised at that description still being used. Time to change it is overdue, I feel. The monkey men. Really?!

 

[[153312]]

I hope that all those involved in the collision (which I haven't seen) are ok.

I am very surprised at that description still being used. Time to change it is overdue, I feel. The monkey men. Really?!

Is that really what they called it?! ?

 

[TGM]

Really glad that Jodie won, she rode briliiantly and totally deserved it.

We saw the Household Cavalry live on Thursday night and it was rather ragged around the edges. One rider fell off in the performance (we didn't actually see it so don't know what happened) and one of the horses jumping the lances was making a right hash of it. So not surprised there was a problem tonight. But perhaps with all the covid problems they've not had the opportunity to be out rehearsing at lot of other shows regularly like they normally would.

 

[stangs]

Hang on sorry, who’re calling themselves “the monkey men” and why?

 

[Tiddlypom]

This is a monkey man. The troupers in the household cavalry mounted division with the rather silly looking little hats who collapse the horses and do the madder stuff.

 

[teapot]

I hope that all those involved in the collision (which I haven't seen) are ok.

I am very surprised at that description still being used. Time to change it is overdue, I feel. The monkey men. Really?!

Is that really what they called it?! ?

Hang on sorry, who’re calling themselves “the monkey men” and why?

The four riders involved with standing on their horses or lying them down are referred to by the HCav as 'monkey men'. I am fairly sure it's because what they do and the uniform they wear, not race related.

 

[humblepie]

I’m sure they explained where the name came from the other evening but I can’t remember

 

[[153312]]

The four riders involved with standing on their horses or lying them down are referred to by the HCAv as 'monkey men'. I am fairly sure it's because what they do and the uniform they wear, not race related.

IMHO the racial connotations of that are enough to make it unacceptable.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I don't doubt that the description 'monkey men' was not racist in origin, but the word has been adopted and used along with animal noises in racist chants eg at football matches.

Time for a change.

 

[Crazy_cat_lady]

I'm surprised, as someone who only hacks and wears a BP each time they ride, more don't wear body protectors/ the protective jacket Jimmy G was wearing

 

[windand rain]

Monkey men name came from the uniforms and hats that resembled organ grinders monkeys nothing to do with rascism

 

[RachelFerd]

I whizzed through the extra displays and only watched the showjumping - but it was another excellent class with an exciting jump off... I've also noticed lots of non-horsey work colleagues telling me that they watched a 'bit of the horses' on TV - so to me I think its clear that the BBC coverage of LIHS is bringing equestrianism to the masses more effectively than the limited TV coverage of the olympics....

 

[humblepie]

Was a fab class. I think simple names for horses help people get involved as well. Stardust for example. And if on main channel perhaps less about the horse’s breeding etc but more info the less horsey can engage with. Harry Charles comes across so well in interviews.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I actually watched the whole of last night's coverage for the first time in years and thoroughly enjoyed it. The dog agility was awesome, the speed of those dogs (and handlers). Come such a long way since the first time I saw it back in the 70's. All in all a great evening's viewing only marred for me by the liberty work.

 

[Kat]

I whizzed through the extra displays and only watched the showjumping - but it was another excellent class with an exciting jump off... I've also noticed lots of non-horsey work colleagues telling me that they watched a 'bit of the horses' on TV - so to me I think its clear that the BBC coverage of LIHS is bringing equestrianism to the masses more effectively than the limited TV coverage of the olympics....

The BBC's limited coverage of the Olympics wasn't their fault though, it was to do with the way broadcast rights were sold and the conditions Eurosport put on the BBC.

The BBC2 coverage of LIHS was great, I would have loved to see some more of the dressage and showjumping on the red button/iplayer for the fans but it was pretty good.

 

[RachelFerd]

The BBC's limited coverage of the Olympics wasn't their fault though, it was to do with the way broadcast rights were sold and the conditions Eurosport put on the BBC.

The BBC2 coverage of LIHS was great, I would have loved to see some more of the dressage and showjumping on the red button/iplayer for the fans but it was pretty good.

Not criticising the BBC - just reflecting that the insistence that horse sports can only be kept in the public eye via Olympic exposure probably isn't true.

 

[Kat]

Not criticising the BBC - just reflecting that the insistence that horse sports can only be kept in the public eye via Olympic exposure probably isn't true.

I agree, I think the olympics are a useful showcase as people do tend to turn on "the olympics" and have a look at whatever is on at the time which can lead to people being interested in a sport they knew little about. However I think really good coverage of Olympia especially but also other major events would potentially help more.

The people we need to engage with aren't the ones who watch whatever sport that is on, it is the people who might be inspired to have a riding lesson or go to the show they have watched on tv. I think Olympia/HOYS/Badminton/Burghley are better showcases from that point of view, especially when you show full coverage rather than just the big classes.

For a mildly interested tv viewer seeing the "novelty classes" like puissance, six bar, ride and drive, mini-major are much more engaging than the top show jumping classes. Showing the "entertainment" like the household cavalry, the police, the shetland grand national, etc is great for casual viewers to engage with horses more generally and showcasing non-olympic sports like the mounted games and the driving is fantastic too. I think that is where the big UK shows are a better showcase and where the BBC coverage sometimes misses the mark.

 

[Birker2020]

Was a fab class. I think simple names for horses help people get involved as well. Stardust for example. And if on main channel perhaps less about the horse’s breeding etc but more info the less horsey can engage with. Harry Charles comes across so well in interviews.

I agree. Wouldn't it be delightful to hear "this is a 12 year old gelding ridden by Scott Brash, whose nickname is Junior. The absolute epitome of a “pocket rocket” Hello Mr President’s is an absolute charmer. Known for pulling faces behind your back, Junior is a firecracker of a gelding who simply adores doing what he does best: jumping. Out of a pony mother and with all the agility, speed and passion, Junior is a small horse with the heart of a lion. He loves eating carrots and the occasional strong mint and enjoys a duvet day on his day off"

Imagine how many people would find this more engaging than hearing "into the ring now is Scott Brash riding Hello Mr President"

 

[Crazy_cat_lady]

I'd have liked to see the six bar

 

[milliepops]

you'd need separate commentary for folk who wanted the horsey detail and those who wanted to hear nicknames and stuff though.

That said it would have been nice if the BBC had given the option to turn Bobby Hayler down on freestyle night i swapped to CMH to watch where you could actually hear the music she was talking about

 

[teapot]

The people we need to engage with aren't the ones who watch whatever sport that is on, it is the people who might be inspired to have a riding lesson or go to the show they have watched on tv. I think Olympia/HOYS/Badminton/Burghley are better showcases from that point of view, especially when you show full coverage rather than just the big classes.

We had a run of interest/first lesson bookings in the same afternoon and for a few days after the dressage at Tokyo.

 

[sbloom]

you'd need separate commentary for folk who wanted the horsey detail and those who wanted to hear nicknames and stuff though.

That said it would have been nice if the BBC had given the option to turn Bobby Hayler down on freestyle night i swapped to CMH to watch where you could actually hear the music she was talking about

I know British breeders want more info given on breeding, so how about firstly include first names for riders in the captions (I mean what was that about?!) and then the breeding of the horse? Then the commentary can deal with the fun stuff.

 

[milliepops]

I know British breeders want more info given on breeding, so how about firstly include first names for riders in the captions (I mean what was that about?!) and then the breeding of the horse? Then the commentary can deal with the fun stuff.

yeah i just think the fluff might get old if you are a horse sport fanatic who wanted to hear how someone had ridden a particular fence or something, technique/style-wise, as opposed to joe public who can only tell if the fence is up or has fallen down.

if it was all Mickey Mouse "dobbin likes peppermints" i'd have to watch with the sound off!

 

[sbloom]

yeah i just think the fluff might get old if you are a horse sport fanatic who wanted to hear how someone had ridden a particular fence or something, technique/style-wise, as opposed to joe public who can only tell if the fence is up or has fallen down.

if it was all Mickey Mouse "dobbin likes peppermints" i'd have to watch with the sound off!

Yeah ultimately we need it on red button with the choice of joe bloggs/expert commentary!