Linda Parelli teaching how to hit with the snap
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rosie fronfelen
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sorry tink, i shouldn't have pressed the quote button, my mistake.
ecarylloh
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Maybe through quietness, calmness, confidence and patience?
pricklyflower
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He got brought in with his bridle and praised for good behaviour. When he invaded my space he got pushed away, when he started jogging he was made to stand still, and asked to walk on again and praised for doing it nicely. Yes every horse is different and people have different methods of training, I understand and respect that. Mine learnt to walk in from the field calmly and nicely by my side eventually although it was a slow process. This was a big brute of a HW cob who when I got him didn't respect anyone and he turned out to be very easy to handle with consistent handling. He certainly wasn't hit in the face with the clip of the leadrein even when he wasn't doing anything wrong.
I actually didn't see much that the horse was doing that justified the "snap"? Especially at around 10 minutes, it purely looked like the horse wasn't focused on the handler or LP so it was "snapped"?
Genuine question for you that I would be interested to hear the answer.
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tinkandlily
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What point are we missing? That to move your horse back, you snap the rope and hit it in the face with the clip, yeah wiggle the rope, but doing that hard was uncalled for
Dobby
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Anyone who watches that video and thinks "well, what other way can there possibly be to stop a horse from barging!" is not a very skilled or thoughtful horsewoman.
Allover
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There are ways and means of training horses and i dont believe any of them should involve smacking the horse repeatedly around the head, especially when the horses energy was no where near as high a LPs, she was over the top in her approach and far too aggressive, which the horse certainly didnt need. Is it correct to confuse the horse into making a mistake (as i sure as hell couldnt see what she was asking it, other than to be head shy) so as you can smack it about to make it "respect" you! And the worst thing about this is it is on her training videos so complete beginners will be thinking this is a correct way forward with their animals.
The parelli prats are giving Monty a bad name and this is a bloody travesty!
Oberon
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I have no problem with using a reprimand from a slap across the chest when all else has failed with a bargy horse.
Initially firm, fair, patience is the way to introduce manners.
There is no excuse for hitting a horse (or any living creature) in the face with a metal clip.
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Initially firm, fair, patience is the way to introduce manners.
There is no excuse for hitting a horse (or any living creature) in the face with a metal clip.
End of.
LauraWheeler
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Well I certanly don't beat it round the head.
My pony Herbie came from a Parelli home. I bought him for £550 inclu all tack and Rugs. The woman I bought him off had paid £1500 for just him. She had only owned him for 6 months.
When he came to me he was a bargy, bolshy, mean pony. He would bite and kick to get his own way, He would nap, rear, leap, buck and spin. It took over an hour to get one circle of trot on one rein on the lunge (he would spend the rest of the time trying to kick me, lunge at me or tank off. He would not load in a trailer or horsebox. (Now tell me he must have had all those problems when the woman paid so much money for him).
Now 10 months later I have a very different pony. He is happy to see me, I can groom him without getting bittern or kicked infact he grooms me back now, He lunges like a star, Loads in a trailer and horsebox happly ( he even loaded himself the otherday) We hackout in the new forest and he doesn't nap even when we come across wild ponies and I have started to ride him in the school.
I was firm but fair with him he got alot of praise when he did what I wanted him to and he got told when he was wrong. Often a stern "NO" was enough to make him think again then lots and lots of positive re enforcement when he did right. He does get a smack if he is very very naughty. Like when he used to kick I would slap him on the bum or if he bit me I would slap him on the neck. But I have NEVER EVER hit him over the head with a metal clip on a rope. Infact I could probably count on one hand the amount of times I have hit him in the last 10 months, I would need alot of hands to count how many times Linda hits a horse in 10 minuets. Most of the time I found if I used a whip and hit my boots the noise was enough to discorage him from the undesired behavour.
The carrot stick IS a whip. You can give it a fluffy name but you are still whipping the horse. and the wiggle wiggle bump with the rope is simply beating the horse around the head.
Parelli is supposed to be a kinder way to treat your horse a less agressive way. It's not, just because you don't actualy say hit the horse over the head till it does what you want, It's not any different.
I now have a happy pony who loves being around people, his trust in me is growing everyday. But when I see these videos I think about what he used to be like and it makes me so cross when people try to defend this method. Look back at my previous posts you'll see what I do with my ponies. Lucy and Herbie are a true example of what you can achive with a little love and understanding. It doesn't happen over night but you can get there in a much kinder way than Parelli. Some of Parelli's theorys are good (I have studyed it in detail for an equine behavour course I did) But on the whole I don't like it and Herbie is the living proof of the damage it can do.
Tinypony
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What have the "parelli prats" got to do with Monty? (I presume you mean Monty Roberts). How can anything they do give him a bad name?
typekitty
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I think it's fair to say that LP is a nutcase. I stopped watching it. Makes me sick. No animal should be slapped around the head or face.
galaxy
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There are many ways to stop a horse from going infront of you and being bargy (although I didn't see a lot of that behaviour here... not to an extreme anyway! I just saw a horse excited in his surroundings). You remain calm at ALL times. You stop, push the horse back. Use a pressure halter if necessary, a long rope if it may get away so you don't let go. But hitting and flapping and blatenty confusing the horse is NOT necessary. Horse need calm, clear boundaries.
I don't see how people can think that this is "the way"
I don't see how people can think that this is "the way"
Capriole
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because people who dont know the difference often do not differentiate between 'natural horsemanship' and 'parelli' and lump it all together as bad, as a result of these parelli 'issues'
TicTac
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Agreed that all horses are different. My mare never gives me a moments problems when leading my but my grey boy would jog and pull in front if I let him. I have found the best way to train him out of this is with a Dually headcollar. For those of you who use them properly, you will know how it's used.
I am not condoning LP's method of teaching personal space, I just looked at the video with an ' impartial' view.
Incidently I once had a huge TB who was a complete git to lead and even worse in a chifney. I had to make a compromise with him which was never good. I don't think LP's method would have helped but then I'll never know now.
Sometimes I do find this utter hatered that people have for Parelli's methods clouds the overall point of what is trying to be achieved. And before you all jump on me like a ton of bricks. All I am saying is I like to have an open mind. ( and no I do not follow Parelli ) I have seen Polo ponies trained in an awful and far more painful way than a rap on the chin.
I am not condoning LP's method of teaching personal space, I just looked at the video with an ' impartial' view.
Incidently I once had a huge TB who was a complete git to lead and even worse in a chifney. I had to make a compromise with him which was never good. I don't think LP's method would have helped but then I'll never know now.
Sometimes I do find this utter hatered that people have for Parelli's methods clouds the overall point of what is trying to be achieved. And before you all jump on me like a ton of bricks. All I am saying is I like to have an open mind. ( and no I do not follow Parelli ) I have seen Polo ponies trained in an awful and far more painful way than a rap on the chin.
Allover
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Because unfortunately people think they do the same things and they are often clubbed in together in the "natural horsemanship" club. It is only once people start to watch them that they realise they are completely different.
charlie76
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I am confused, its the horse supposed to walking next to her or behind her?
Not really working for jumper round waist woman though is it- horse is laughing at her!
Not really working for jumper round waist woman though is it- horse is laughing at her!
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Kenzo
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I watched a few minutes (but without sound as I'm at work), to be honest I got as far as minute int it before I got started yawning so I can't really comment on the video properly but judging by past videos or that women, I can draw my conclusions to that of what everyone else is saying.
We have a parelli'ed equine on our yard, level what ever it is, it has the manners of a baboon.
I rest my case.
so I can't really comment on the video properly but judging by past videos or that women, I can draw my conclusions to that of what everyone else is saying.We have a parelli'ed equine on our yard, level what ever it is, it has the manners of a baboon.
I rest my case.
misst
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But once again the argument that polo ponies are trained in a worse way does not justify LPs methods. I do not hate anyone but I am shocked and horrified that Parelli is held up in the way it is as a humane and non violent way of training horses. I looked at the video with interest and was just amazed at what I saw. I agree that all horses are different as are all handlers but I know of nothing that excuses LP (or the owner of that poor horse) for their tactics.
Spit That Out
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If there is video evidence of a horse being abused (I'm pretty sure that hitting a pony round the face with stick, metal clip or any other object would/should be classed as abuse) could be reported to some authority of some sort?
How can this kind of practice be licensed or approved by any society?
Surly there must be someone you can complain to? If you saw a child being hit you would report it to NSPCC, Social Services etc so who can you complain to about this animal abuse?
From all the clips dotted around the Internet etc there would be enough to prove that this way of controlling/teaching (used loosely) animals is wrong.
How can this kind of practice be licensed or approved by any society?
Surly there must be someone you can complain to? If you saw a child being hit you would report it to NSPCC, Social Services etc so who can you complain to about this animal abuse?
From all the clips dotted around the Internet etc there would be enough to prove that this way of controlling/teaching (used loosely) animals is wrong.
tinkandlily
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I think parelli is used by those with big horses that they are afraid of and think getting them to do circus tricks is going to help them bond with their horse and they can ride it and go galloping on the beach with no tack those poor ignorant people.
those poor ignorant people.Seahorse
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I don't either, and I don't want to!
HappyHorses:)
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I had to switch off as I couldn't watch that poor horse being treated like that.
How can you condone treating a horse like that?
LP need some anger management by the looks of things!
How can you condone treating a horse like that?
LP need some anger management by the looks of things!
rosie fronfelen
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but isn't the percentage of this parelli rubbish taught in America?
TicTac
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No of course it doesn't but my point is that there are some terrible ways to back and teach horses out there but it always seems to be Parelli that comes into question. All but the roughest of horsemaen claim their methods to be the best and most effective!
tinkandlily
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You know, a girl did this at a show, her pony was being a sod so she did exactly that and got cautioned by the ground staff for abuse!! yet here is someone putting it on tape and selling it.
LauraWheeler
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I think parelli is used by those with big horses that they are afraid of and think getting them to do circus tricks is going to help them bond with their horse and they can ride it and go galloping on the beach with no tack
Or even small ones. Herbie's only 12.2hh.
tinkandlily
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Alright then, they belive they can comunicate with their horse/pony with mind power
because thats what the poor sods need, they get yanked forward and pushed back, with no indication of where they should be.Seahorse
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But that grey arab in the video is not pulling or jogging or dragging anyone anywhere! Well it runs backwards when she starts hitting the clip thing in its face but that's her own doing. I have no problem with discipline if the horse needs it but that poor innocent creature wasn't doing anything wrong
duggan
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Watched it until LP decided the horse deserved a rap on the nose with her stick. For, well, i'm not entirely sure what for, so guess the horse didn't either. I'm a firm believer in cause and affect, and trying hard to get the horse to understand by listening to it. But all the skipping lessons i've seen just make me shake my head in dismay that people are still being sucked in to the whole parelli thing. Monty can be harsh, as any horse handler needs to be at times. But what i've seen from the skipping rope brigade just appalls me. Very sad.
Ignition
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That's ridiculous. Monty Roberts I get - it's all tied up in the way horses behave with eachother, fine. However what they do is nothing of the sort, it's just bullying