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aran

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I've never done this before BUT!

if you had an aggressive horse (lunges to bite and swings its back legs about at horses and people) would you tie it up in the middle of a busy yard where people and horses have to walk past or would you put it in to its large, airy stable to change its rugs??
this horse has gone for lots of horses and people and every time the owner makes excuses for it, doesn't apologise and doesn't tell it off. finally the last straw - it actually kicked me. I had no choice but to go passed it - I circled so gave it as much distance as possible and only by fully extending its leg and flicking its toe did it manage to just touch the rug I was carrying. if I'd been any closer it would have got me properly. the owner said the horse hadn't meant it (I don't see how) and continued to change its rugs - no apology no reprimand. I was cross as they do this every day and so block 5 other peoples stables and prevent us from tying our horses up/going to our stables and our stuff so I informed YM that I thought she should ask them to do the horse in the stable when the yard was busy - result - the owners are ignoring me as:
1 - I'm a snitch
2 - I know nothing about horses (pony club B, equine science degree at Bristol, PhD in equine orthopaedics, worked on competition/dealer yards from the age of 6!!!) whereas they have had 3 riding lessons in total and these are their 1st horses!
3 - all horses randomly wave their back legs about he's the same as all the others - I don't think so!!!!

why can't they just admit the horse has an issue and then deal with it - all they have to do is manage him properly and he'd be fine. as it is he's a warmblood who is dominant and has no boss/discipline

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At my previous yard horses were not permitted to be tied up outside their stables (if stabled in the American barn). It was deemed too dangerous and inconvenient for others.

Amy's a kicker - and I would never have done what these people did. It's just not responsible.

Sigh..........
 
my horse is out 24/7 so i have to bring him in to feed him. its the only time he gets aggressive and tries to kick, if there is any horses near him. i keep him out of the way and if people are coming and going with horses i move totally out of the way and just hold onto him rather than tie him somewhere.
i wouldn't want another person or horse to be hurt when its totally avoidable.
sounds like u were very right to say something. and doesn't sound like the end of the world that these people are ignoring u.
 
no its not safe - we have 14 horses in this section of the barn and they are all over 15 hands and most aren't in the same field so really don't know each other at all. i just cant believe that they didnt even apologise - i would have been mortified if aran had kicked them (and he'd have known about it).

i just feel like the one in the wrong and i'm not quite sure how that happened as i was the one kicked. they just dont have a clue at all except they are the biggest know it alls offering advise etc - i'll just have to ignore it but they are next to me and i'm not good at ignoring people (i always say hello etc but i'm getting the cold shoulder!). wish they'd move into the other barn!!!
 
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i always say hello etc but i'm getting the cold shoulder

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And continue to do so. They are probably horribly embarressed or very thick skinned!!!!
 
but, rest assured, they'd be the FIRST to complain if the boot was on the other foot!!

good for you for having a word.

some people have no respect
 
I agree, this horse shouldn't be tied up in the 'middle' of the yard blocking peoples/horses access pass it. However, as the owner prefers to fuss with the horse out of it's stable could you not suggest that they move to the far end of the block where no one has to pass it, that way they can still tie up outside, the horse (more importantly) doesn't get stressed by the passing traffic (obviously insecure about it) and the owners don't need to have words over it, resolution alround hopefully, if the person in the end stable is in agreement.

It could be approached by the person in the end stable suggesting it to the horse owner along the lines of, 'hey do you fancy swoping stables to save you getting nagged at all the time!", then no one actually needs to fall out.
 
I hope she has public liability insurance, and I'd point out to her that she's liable for any accident if her horse kicks anyone or vet bills if it gets another horse.

My mare although now much better is very unpredictable with her back end, we are now only one of 2 liveries on a lovely farm with our own field, facilities but at our previous yard we had no choice but to tie up in the yard for the farrier etc, but I always stayed with her when anyone else was about and moved her over and stood with her to stop her from swinging around if anyone needed to pass, common sense and manners really.
 
your right - i just dont like the cold shoulder - its my biggest failing - i like to be liked and hate it when i think that someone has issues with me (totally stupid as no one can get on with everyone and i'm old enough to know better!!)

its just soooo play-school which is sooooo anoying and whats worse is that i've been dragged down to their level as rather than brushing it off i'm ranting about it!!!!!
 
very true i'm sure if aran was to raise a leg then they'd let me know. they are definately one rule for them another for us!!! he told aran off the other day because aran was playing with the lead rope and so winding up his horse. aran always plays with his rope (in fact anything left near him) - he's a total baby TB (despite being 9!). I appologised for arans behaviour as i always do, removed the rope and got on with my jobs (except i didnt really see the issue as aran was in his stable in the corner not really doing anything unusual waiting for his tea!) - he'd never do that the other way round!
 
i wish we could - the yard has 2 barns and 5 areas within them. i'm in the biggest area. we are U shaped with a tigh rack along the open part of the U with another line of stables past that. this means that anywhere you tigh you have stables behind you. really he should be in a different area but I dont think they want to move him as we have the 12x14 boxes and the others are 12x12. he would though be happier in barn 2 which is just a long line of stables and so if he was at the far end it would be much quieter. he is though not doing it through stress more aggression. he is out with their other horse who is boss and so he's got an inferiority complex. he has to be top and so any horse/person in his space he intimidates (including his owners). they dont want to rug him in the stable has he threatens to kick them - so they do it outside where he threatens to kick us all!!!!!
 
i think thats the issue - if they have to tie up then fine - but like you they should ensure manners and prevent an issue from arrising. the owner though doesnt see that prevention and managing the issue is all thats required - all horses can kick etc we just make sure that the likelihood is as low as possible and in a situation where it may arise we remove our horses or ourselves from the area - therefore no one has to be kicked, told off - therefore no aggro!!!!

ahh well
 
Oh, it's a difficult one then
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I totally agree with you, someone could be hurt very badly.

I would not care if they had fallen out with me, the issue needs addressing before "I told you so". I would say to them that you will personally sue them, if you or your horse gets injured and that will make them think.

Ok, we dont like to fall out with others, but these people are being totally stupid and need sorting out.
 
well hopefully they will just put him in the stable. i wasnt up when they were last night but apparently they asked the others whether they minded him being tighed up. they all said that they did as he has kicked out at them to (which the owners denied and said he was just waving his legs like all horses do!!) so the owners grumperly did him in the stable. i'll just have to wait for the aggro to blow over!!
 
you're right - i'm just being silly

i'm not sure how their insurance would work now if it kicked out again as it is now know to be aggressive and they are not preventing the suitation from arrising so surely it would no longer be an accident?!? would their insurance still cover them?
 
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well hopefully they will just put him in the stable

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So the YO hasn't told them to do that, despite the horse kicking???
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YM has asked them to put him in the stable if there are other people/horses about but as she's not there after 8am and leaves by 5.30pm then shes not there to police them. they feel that the request is unjust and they are not happy about the decision. they did put him in yesterday but i'll wait to see if it lasts!
 
If they don't start putting their horse in when other people at about, i'd go for abit of amateur dramatics! If it kicks out at you and even if it doesn't connect, i'd drop to the floor, writhing in agony and pain shouting it kicked me, it kicked me, aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh it kicked me, holding your hip (or preferably your bottom or somewhere else you won't have to expose in public), get helped to the tack room, sit there with tears in your eyes, demand a very sweet tea for shock and say that you've asked and asked for that horse not to be tied up in the yard when people are around because it a dangerous to the other liveries, your giving it as wide a berth as possible and make loud statements that you could sue over the injury, get help to finish your own horse, announce your off to the hospital or doctors, go back later saying that you've been to the doctor and LUCKILY your just suffering from bruising and your not happy with the situation and say if it ever happens again you'll sue for third party injury, or if anyone else gets injured you'll stand witness that the horse as done it before and the owners are aware that its not safe to be tied up outside but still insist on doing it!
Someone actually did this on a livery yard I was once on (not me I hasten to add as I really am not a great actor)! The owner of the horse was so embarassed by the whole situation that they never did it again!
 
if it goes for me again i may just have too!!! i'll have to put my best 'agony' face on - not very convincing!

as the owners labelled me as 'unhorsey' to the YM - now everytime I go near a horse the others start calling out reminders - 'thats the farty/kicky/bitey end remember' - 'don't get too close remember all horses do leg exercises while being tied up'!!! all very childish but it did make me giggle!
 
'thats the farty/kicky/bitey end remember' - 'don't get too close remember all horses do leg exercises while being tied up'!!! all very childish but it did make me giggle!


OMG How Rude,
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I don't think you are in the wrong at all. I only ever tie my horse up outside her stable when I am either up on my own or at most one other person there.

How long before that waving of the leg actualy turns into a kick?

Would the owner be willing to pay your bills if you end up seriously hurt?

Stick to your guns.

altia
 
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