Livery rent AND a security/deposit ... is this normal ?

[sjdress]

Moving to a DIY yard. I have just received the contract and the yard owner wants a full month rent (totally normal) but also another months rent which she will hold and return if you leave, if no breaches of the contract. Is this normal for DIY?

 

[Archangel]

I have had that sort of contract in the past. About 50% of the time.

 

[wills_91]

Yes, I've been asked for this on 2 yards, got it back when leaving no issues.

 

[ihatework]

It’s not widespread but also not unusual, and from a yard owners point of view sensible.
From your point of view make sure you get something in writing about the deposit.

 

[The Fuzzy Furry]

Yes, very common round here in my area and has stopped many defaulters too.

 

[little_critter]

And take photos of your stable etc as you move in so you can prove what condition it was in when you arrived.

 

[chocolategirl]

Moving to a DIY yard. I have just received the contract and the yard owner wants a full month rent (totally normal) but also another months rent which she will hold and return if you leave, if no breaches of the contract. Is this normal for DIY?

It should be the norm, however, a lot of yards, including mine, don’t use this system. I work on trust and getting the right clients in the first place, when hopefully I won’t need this backup policy.

 

[Translationsneeded]

Yes. I do this for my liveries.

 

[milliepops]

I can see why yards would do this. I've never been asked for more than a month upfront though.

 

[criso]

Yes had it more often than not. It's the same as when you rent a flat.
The deposit was waived in one place where i was coming as a friend of an existing livery and another I paid a deposit but monthly livery was collected in arrears not in advance.

 

[Sussexbythesea]

I’ve not had it for DIY but I did have it once for part-livery which was a whopping £1000 plus up front. Always been charged in advance for any type of livery with added ad-hoc extras charged in arrears.

I got my full deposit back but my friend had all of hers taken as her horse injured the YO although it was entirely the yard owners fault (forcibly picking mud fever scabs off his legs). This was not what the deposit was for but for various reasons she was glad to get out of there as I was a few months later.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

My current yard requests a hay deposit of a couple of hundred, if I remember rightly. It’s to prevent midnight flits.

 

[IrishMilo]

I paid a month in advance and a deposit of a little more than one month for my current yard. Happy to do so - makes total sense from a business POV.

 

[Toby_Zaphod]

Make sure that all your payments to the yard owner are well recorded & you have a copy because when you leave you want to ensure that your deposit is returned. Also ensure what money will be retained for. I have heard of cases when the YO retains money for alleged damage or rotting of posts whixch they are really responsible for.

 

[saddlesore]

I wonder if it’s a regional thing? I’ve never paid a deposit and always paid livery in arrears.

 

[Gingerwitch]

At my last yard i always paid a month in advance and they had a deposit which was a substantial amount (think 3 on full livery) when i left over C19 issues they would not let us full livery on the yard at all but the DIY'ers will still riding and bathing horses and even having group rides ! i left the month in advance as it was my choice to leave so soon, but am still waiting on my deposit to be returned, they are hoping that i will go back. The yard has pretty much lost all there full liveries due to this behaviour over C-19 and have said they cannot pay me back as the DIY's were not paying on time and asked if they could pay me in instalments, the first one was due 1.8.20 but so far..... nothing showing in my account.

My new (old) yard - i only moved for the distance i was travelling also takes a deposit and i have no problems.

 

[Gingerwitch]

I wonder if it’s a regional thing? I’ve never paid a deposit and always paid livery in arrears.

I used to pay livery in advance but feed and bedding in arrears, some yards were monthly and others weekly.
I remember paying a deposit in the North East back as long ago as 2000, both in West and East Mids I have paid deposits at all the yards i have been on since 2005.

 

[Beachbabe]

I've had it once and when you've also got to provide two lots of livery up front, that's one hell of a lot of money to find in one go! I've always asked about it when going to view a new yard and if that's the case, then I'm outta there. Too much money.

 

[Kahlua]

I have been looking at a few places for livery, only one has requested a bond, which was 6 weeks up front plus the monthly livery, making it a grand total of £2650 - I will be paying through the eyeballs for livery, so the addition of the bond would be a little ouchy. I totally understand a bond but for a full care facility I was surprised, but I suppose it’s to cover any damage which is fair enough!

 

[Beachbabe]

Mind boggling!

 

[Green Bean]

I wonder if there is a requirement for your deposit to be lodged with a registered body as it is for the deposit for a house or flat? This way, if there is a dispute you could put in a complaint against a YO if they hold onto the money without good reason

 

[Beachbabe]

The whole livery yard system needs an overhaul. Too many of us are getting ripped off and there are also too many disreputable owners out there.

 

[Gingerwitch]

I have been looking at a few places for livery, only one has requested a bond, which was 6 weeks up front plus the monthly livery, making it a grand total of £2650 - I will be paying through the eyeballs for livery, so the addition of the bond would be a little ouchy. I totally understand a bond but for a full care facility I was surprised, but I suppose it’s to cover any damage which is fair enough!

I actually do think it's for damage, more like owners doing a runner with no notice.

 

[Gingerwitch]

I actually do think it's for damage, more like owners doing a runner with no notice.

Flipping phone, that should day, it's not for damage, more like owners doing a runner

 

[Beachbabe]

Oh the irony! I've done it loads too.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Oh the irony! I've done it loads too.

What runner's lol x

 

[saddlesore]

I used to pay livery in advance but feed and bedding in arrears, some yards were monthly and others weekly.
I remember paying a deposit in the North East back as long ago as 2000, both in West and East Mids I have paid deposits at all the yards i have been on since 2005.

Ah I haven’t moved yards since 2007 so maybe that’s why.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Ah I haven’t moved yards since 2007 so maybe that’s why.

I mainly move due to re-locations to different parts of the UK, so i see the world and his wife so to speak, best yards i have found were up in the North East, so many really good yards with all day every day turn out, amazing hacking, i would go back up their in a shot.

 

[Beachbabe]

What runner's lol x

No, mistyped another word when I’m correcting the first one ??

 

[saddlesore]

I mainly move due to re-locations to different parts of the UK, so i see the world and his wife so to speak, best yards i have found were up in the North East, so many really good yards with all day every day turn out, amazing hacking, i would go back up their in a shot.

I’m west coast of Scotland and very lucky that I have turnout 24/7/365 if I want it (I also have a stable) and loads of hacking. Hence staying put!