Livery yards being closed, banned from seeing our horses

I think/hope that we'd all agree that yard owners aren't a single collective. There are good ones that are always doing their best, there are terrible ones and there are ones in the middle. Mine was good but even then there were things that would upset/frustrate me.

paddy, yes you can.
 
ester said:
I think/hope that we'd all agree that yard owners aren't a single collective. There are good ones that are always doing their best, there are terrible ones and there are ones in the middle. Mine was good but even then there were things that would upset/frustrate me.

paddy, yes you can.
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And vice versa there are good liveries, there are bad liveries and some in the middle.
 
stormox said:
The latest statement I can find from BHS says 'itis up to the individual to decide whether it is necessary to ride'..... it does not say DO NOT RIDE
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Extract from British Equestrian Federation Press Release 2nd April:

Our advice on riding remains unchanged – we recommend that people don’t ride their horses unless strictly necessary. We should all respect the Government’s message of ‘stay safe, save the NHS, stay home’, and carefully consider the risks associated with riding. As a community, we should not be putting any additional pressure on our emergency and NHS services.
 
stormox said:
The latest statement I can find from BHS says 'itis up to the individual to decide whether it is necessary to ride'..... it does not say DO NOT RIDE
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I don't think the BHS are going to stick their neck out and tell people not to ride, it would unpopular and met with great criticism, they are a charity and I imagine it would have a negative impact on their income.
We really need an official government department to be responsible for equines and equestrianism in the UK, that can set guidelines to be adhered to in situations like this, there is far too much confusion and conflicted interpretations in the advice that has already been given.
 
HBB said:
I don't think the BHS are going to stick their neck out and tell people not to ride, it would unpopular and met with great criticism, they are a charity and I imagine it would have a negative impact on their income.
We really need an official government department to be responsible for equines and equestrianism in the UK, that can set guidelines to be adhered to in situations like this, there is far too much confusion and conflicted interpretations in the advice that has already been given.
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Sadly, yes, it seems that for some the current guidelines of 'stay at home as much as possible' are not clear enough and need to be more specific.
 
Winters100 said:
Sadly, yes, it seems that for some the current guidelines of 'stay at home as much as possible' are not clear enough and need to be more specific.
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I am incredibly lucky that I can see my horses twice a day and I don’t see anyone else in person at either end of the day yet driving home this afternoon I had to slow down on the track I use across the fields because there were 7 adults and 5 kids on bikes standing in a huddle in the middle of the road having a good old chat. They were obviously not all from the same family so how is that social distancing and they parted like the Red Sea as I approached. Words fail me.
 
paddy555 said:
when you run your own yard, as I do and from her comments I guess AA must do, you find out the reality of the situation, the fact you are the one responsible for sorting the damage caused by this long wet winter and the buck stops with you. Like many I had to make instant decisions as to whether they could go out on a particular day and the answer was often they couldn't. It was a constant worry when the horses cantered on soggy, wet, poached ground. Exercising also a worry. Days when it was supposed to be fine and they could go out and suddenly the heavens opened so it didn't happen.
My hay bill was also huge, with 9 that was not surprising but as you say they could not be left in and hungry. Like you I didn't anticipate that size of hay bill but life happened and it was a case of adapting as one always must do with horses.
I imagine life is very different being a livery and being the person responsible for it all.

It is very easy after reading this thread and similar to see why people with space totally refuse any liveries.

If it was such a horrid yard I don't understand why you stayed.



Off topic but I did just wonder if one can have more than one account on here and post under different names? Just curious.
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Firstly - some folk do have more than one account, you are not supposed to and some have been caught out as they have forgotten whom they are posting as. But for many they have had a second account as they either cannot cope with certain individuals constant badgering or they do not want to be seen as loosing face or have something really personal to pos.t

Secondly -where are you supposed to find stables for 2+ horses at the same time, like I say there are good yards out their, but they have wait lists. If a yard has space for 2 to 4 horses at the same time then that tells a tail of its own. when you move areas, and i move round the country every 5 or 6 years, then you can only go with what you are told when you visit the yard. So if the yard says no turn out over winter then you have your choice to make, when the yard tells you they go out every day unless its icy, and that rug changes are included in the f.l package and that you have free use of the school you then do not expect to be told that horses cannot go out for weeks and months on end - and that x Riding club camp is coming in for two weeks in August and your horses have to go out 24/7 and you are not allowed use of the facilities including stables due to the camp.
 
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Upthecreek said:
Yes why is it so hard to understand? Saw this on Facebook today. Apparently they had 10 or so walkers a day before lockdown & now over 200.

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I've seen similar posts complaining that people aren't wearing gloves, but I am not entirely sure why they think would help given that gloves are going to be pretty good at carrying stuff around too.
 
ester said:
I've seen similar posts complaining that people aren't wearing gloves, but I am not entirely sure why they think would help given that gloves are going to be pretty good at carrying stuff around too.
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Well in two weeks time the government is possibly going to back track and go for herd immunity as it s approach, Spain and Italy have gone for catastrophe approach, Sweden is going down the herd immunity approach and China are just a bunch of liars. So at some point we will have to change for the herd approach.
 
criso said:
Someone at the yard was saying the same to me last week. I didn't like to tell her she'd touched her face about 5 times in the space of a reasonably short conversation.
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haha! oops! I'm quite well trained because I'm really allergic to hay (and horses) so I wear gloves for all the jobs where I need to not transfer allergens to my eyes. It makes me really aware of what I'm doing. If I put dirty gloves near my face I will pay for it!o_O
 
Gingerwitch said:
Well in two weeks time the government is possibly going to back track and go for herd immunity as it s approach, Spain and Italy have gone for catastrophe approach, Sweden is going down the herd immunity approach and China are just a bunch of liars. So at some point we will have to change for the herd approach.
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No backtrack.

We have never stopped going for herd immunity. All we have been doing is trying not to let people die because the NHS is overwhelmed, and to lock away the very vulnerable meanwhile.

For the moment, we all need to play our part in slowing the spread to save lives.

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criso said:
Someone at the yard was saying the same to me last week. I didn't like to tell her she'd touched her face about 5 times in the space of a reasonably short conversation.
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I am so guilty of this - I find it super hard not to touch my face. The only thing which I think worked, although I can't be certain, was to tie my hair back and put some really strong smelling disinfectant on the gloves so that everytime my hands came near my face the smell reminded me. Now I am not going out, so problem solved for now.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Well in two weeks time the government is possibly going to back track and go for herd immunity as it s approach, Spain and Italy have gone for catastrophe approach, Sweden is going down the herd immunity approach and China are just a bunch of liars. So at some point we will have to change for the herd approach.
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I dont agree - the government wont backtrack. I think trying to limit the amount of people each person comes into contact with is the only way to slow the spread. It will work and as long as everyone plays their part results should start to show in 2 or 3 weeks time.
 
stormox said:
I dont agree - the government wont backtrack. I think trying to limit the amount of people each person comes into contact with is the only way to slow the spread. It will work and as long as everyone plays their part results should start to show in 2 or 3 weeks time.
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I do not know how we can continue like this for another 3 weeks, we have just done 2, and the private sector is crippled, many of the firms I am working with do not know how they can pay 80% wages next week, as many clients are not paying suppliers because there customers are not paying them, this means they cannot pay wage bills and are on stop so cannot even keep what little part of the economy going.

Ie New yard has asked me not to go on shavings as they have dried up supply and want to keep there stock for the ponies and horses that have breathing issues or the lamis. Not a major issue for me, straw is fine for me, but i think this shows you how badly we are being impacted. By the way i know that being on shavings or straw is a first world issue.
 
ester said:
I've seen similar posts complaining that people aren't wearing gloves, but I am not entirely sure why they think would help given that gloves are going to be pretty good at carrying stuff around too.
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Totally agree. But why 190 people more per day are walking there since before lockdown baffles me ??‍♀️ I still can’t work out why staying at home and only going out when it is essential is such a difficult concept for so many people. The government has said it’s an instruction not a request so I don’t know how they can make it clearer. Nobody can use ignorance as a defence because you would have to have been living in a cave not to see and hear it.
 
Winters100 said:
I am so guilty of this - I find it super hard not to touch my face. The only thing which I think worked, although I can't be certain, was to tie my hair back and put some really strong smelling disinfectant on the gloves so that everytime my hands came near my face the smell reminded me. Now I am not going out, so problem solved for now.
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My eyes always stream when it's windy and I find it impossible not to touch them. And now we're into hay fever season so they are really itchy and watering. Luckily I'm OK at the stables, it's London where it gets really bad. I had to post a letter yesterday and sneezed about 4 times just walking 100 yards to the postbox. Wanted to tell people, it's just hay fever, honestly.
 
Upthecreek said:
Totally agree. But why 190 people more per day are walking there since before lockdown baffles me ??‍♀️ I still can’t work out why staying at home and only going out when it is essential is such a difficult concept for so many people. The government has said it’s an instruction not a request so I don’t know how they can make it clearer. Nobody can use ignorance as a defence because you would have to have been living in a cave not to see and hear it.
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I can understand the increase in people walking on footpaths. I have a nice little 45min loop I can walk from my door. I am seeing lots more people on it then usual. Partly because a lot of people would drive the half mile to the top of the downs, and the police are stopping them, so they are staying local instead. Couple that with people who would normally be at walk, and now suddenly have time to work. Plus those that would normally go to the gym, are now outside running etc.
That phrase ' can leave your house for exercise' has its drawbacks.
 
We have a public footpath that runs through our yard and a couple of our fields. We know all the regular walkers and dog walkers. The Farm is very hidden and most people have no idea there’s a public footpath this way.
I’ve seen more people over the last couple of weeks than I have in ages! Most are really considerate and friendly, but unfortunately the path isn’t well signposted to one side of the farm and people end up trespassing around our land rather than turning down the path they should. I know a few people do it on purpose (the locals who ought to know better) but a lot of these new walkers are now headed around the land, passing the sheep etc. I keep finding confused people who end up doing a loop and find themselves back where they started!
 
Gingerwitch said:
I do not know how we can continue like this for another 3 weeks, we have just done 2, and the private sector is crippled, many of the firms I am working with do not know how they can pay 80% wages next week, as many clients are not paying suppliers because there customers are not paying them, this means they cannot pay wage bills and are on stop so cannot even keep what little part of the economy going.

Ie New yard has asked me not to go on shavings as they have dried up supply and want to keep there stock for the ponies and horses that have breathing issues or the lamis. Not a major issue for me, straw is fine for me, but i think this shows you how badly we are being impacted. By the way i know that being on shavings or straw is a first world issue.
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At the moment stopping the virus spreading is the number one priority. They are not going to relax restrictions for the sake of the economy until that objective is achieved. Economic issues are secondary and the fallout from this will have to be dealt with later. Unfortunately this will have dire consequences for a lot of businesses.
 
Upthecreek said:
At the moment stopping the virus spreading is the number one priority. They are not going to relax restrictions for the sake of the economy until that objective is achieved. Economic issues are secondary and the fallout from this will have to be dealt with later. Unfortunately this will have dire consequences for a lot of businesses.
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As Nicola Sturgeon has said, 'We can rebuilt the economy eventually, we can't bring people back from the dead',
 
Upthecreek said:
At the moment stopping the virus spreading is the number one priority. They are not going to relax restrictions for the sake of the economy until that objective is achieved. Economic issues are secondary and the fallout from this will have to be dealt with later. Unfortunately this will have dire consequences for a lot of businesses.
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Its not just the businesses though is it, i really hope we have a back Britain campaign and we insist that the NHS finds suppliers from the UK and tells China to jog on. I know that the economic reasons will be sited but really after this, anyone that buys from China in 2021 should be horse whipped and Bozza whilst I admire what he is doing needs his head looking at over the Huawei deal. Bozz needs to stop HS2 and make us self sufficient again. i am sure we wont die if we cannot get strawberrys all year round will we ? and just think what we will be doing for the environment too.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
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As Nicola Sturgeon has said, 'We can rebuilt the economy eventually, we can't bring people back from the dead',
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I agree, but some elements are already pushing for DNRs on some parts of the population. I do not like this, I do not like this at all. First in to hospital gets the care, if they happen to be the older part of the population well they are the ones that have paid in the most, they deserve to be looked after.

Do not forget the UK sent 6 million people out to fight in world war 1, and 700,000 died,
WW2 70 to 85 million people were killed. 70 to 85 million deaths and that was government sanctioned. (around the world)
 
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