Livery yards being closed, banned from seeing our horses

stormox said:
I believe a lot of PPE is made in China....
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I know, but if you think about it overall, the cheapness of the item combined with the cost to the economy = we would have been better off with local supply.

From what I am understanding they have also sold an awful lot of inferior equipment and also gazzumpted a few countries to go with the highest bidder.
 
Just reading the paper and the government are talking about beginning to ease the restrictions from 11th May.

That seems to soon to me. As a comparison France are also going to start lifting their lock down from 11th May, but their lock down began earlier than ours and the conditions were more stringent than hours has been.

A large number of cabinet members here are arguing that it is better to lift lock down sooner and save the economy even if it leads to a much higher death toll. Sounds like Matt Hancock is becoming a lone voice in arguing that we should wait until infection rates, hospital admissions and the death toll come down and stay down for a period of time first.

Of course we don't know what Boris thinks yet and ultimately he has to make that decision.
 
southerncomfort said:
Just reading the paper and the government are talking about beginning to ease the restrictions from 11th May.

That seems to soon to me. As a comparison France are also going to start lifting their lock down from 11th May, but their lock down began earlier than ours and the conditions were more stringent than hours has been.

A large number of cabinet members here are arguing that it is better to lift lock down sooner and save the economy even if it leads to a much higher death toll. Sounds like Matt Hancock is becoming a lone voice in arguing that we should wait until infection rates, hospital admissions and the death toll come down and stay down for a period of time first.

Of course we don't know what Boris thinks yet and ultimately he has to make that decision.
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Reading the press today I wonder how long Johnson will be PM!
 
I think easing the restrictions is very different from lifting the lockdown.

Social distancing will continue but perhaps some more shops will be allowed to open to enable a few more people in retail to return to work. Maybe people will be allowed to travel to 2nd homes.

Economy, the problem will be people who work in leisure industries such as bars, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, holiday business, concerts venues, football stadiums, wedding venues probably won't be back in work for a long time.

Until they lift the restrictions on social distancing so bigger gatherings can take place it will be hard for people working in these industries.

southerncomfort said:
Just reading the paper and the government are talking about beginning to ease the restrictions from 11th May.

That seems to soon to me. As a comparison France are also going to start lifting their lock down from 11th May, but their lock down began earlier than ours and the conditions were more stringent than hours has been.

A large number of cabinet members here are arguing that it is better to lift lock down sooner and save the economy even if it leads to a much higher death toll. Sounds like Matt Hancock is becoming a lone voice in arguing that we should wait until infection rates, hospital admissions and the death toll come down and stay down for a period of time first.

Of course we don't know what Boris thinks yet and ultimately he has to make that decision.
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Based on what I've read (& I'm just a pleb, I just read it and didnt check sources etc) media is reporting easing restrictions from 11 May and allowing businesses like hairdressers (?) to open.

End of may allowing restaurants to open as long as they space out seating.

Mid june open cinemas and gyms

There were many more places and businesses listed but those are the ones that stuck out to me as they all seemed to involve being very close to other people and high risk of cross contamination with people all having to touch/use items within those types of businesses.

I can appreciate from a business and earning POV why you would want those businesses opened asap but I cant see how they are essential/needed from a society POV.
 
An unofficial (I think) Facebook page for the shops of my town posted today, announcing that shops would begin to open ‘one by one’. Not the foggiest where they got that memo, but one of the local hardware/garden shops has reopened today. Goodness knows why, since they don’t sell either food or medical supplies - seems like a recipe for encouraging non-essential journeys & mingling imo.

I know that no one is enthused about another 3 weeks of lockdown, but for some of us we still have 9 weeks, minimum, to go. We’re relying on other people to make the world safe enough for us to come back out again, and it’s scary as ****.
 
hardware shops have always been exempt from having to close.

I think we should prioritise gyms over restaurants (last think I need is more bad food!) though I would undersand the basis of it being the other way round.
 
SO1 said:
I think easing the restrictions is very different from lifting the lockdown.

Social distancing will continue but perhaps some more shops will be allowed to open to enable a few more people in retail to return to work. Maybe people will be allowed to travel to 2nd homes.

Economy, the problem will be people who work in leisure industries such as bars, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, holiday business, concerts venues, football stadiums, wedding venues probably won't be back in work for a long time.

Until they lift the restrictions on social distancing so bigger gatherings can take place it will be hard for people working in these industries.
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A friend of mine owns a pub and they are hoping to reopen in July
 
fiwen30 said:
An unofficial (I think) Facebook page for the shops of my town posted today, announcing that shops would begin to open ‘one by one’. Not the foggiest where they got that memo, but one of the local hardware/garden shops has reopened today. Goodness knows why, since they don’t sell either food or medical supplies - seems like a recipe for encouraging non-essential journeys & mingling imo.

I know that no one is enthused about another 3 weeks of lockdown, but for some of us we still have 9 weeks, minimum, to go. We’re relying on other people to make the world safe enough for us to come back out again, and it’s scary as ****.
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but it’s not going to be any safer, I’m sorry. The virus will still be around.
 
It has given the gov time to build the nightingale hospitals, morgues & to try & source more PPE.

I hope the lockdown is not lifted until NHS staff & social care workers can feel confident they have the PPE needed to protect them & help prevent the spread of the virus to those they care for.


Muddywellies said:
It will be around for years. Reason for the lockdown isn't to get rid of the virus but slow the spread to give the NHS half a chance of dealing with it.
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Doubt pubs will open again this year, unless it is for a few months over the summer, in the hope that the warmer weather subdues the virus.

I would not be surprised if we end up in lockdown again in the winter when the flu season starts as NHS won't be able to cope with flu & coronavirus circulating at the same time. A lot of people travelling & socialising over Xmas could also cause more cases.

Muddywellies said:
A friend of mine owns a pub and they are hoping to reopen in July
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SO1 said:
Doubt pubs will open again this year, unless it is for a few months over the summer, in the hope that the warmer weather subdues the virus.

I would not be surprised if we end up in lockdown again in the winter when the flu season starts as NHS won't be able to cope with flu & coronavirus circulating at the same time. A lot of people travelling & socialising over Xmas could also cause more cases.
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I wonder if everyone will be offered a free flu vaccine this year?
 
Can't decide if journos are getting things wrong or if cabinet members keep changing their mind.

Paper said today that Gove originally supported Matt Hancock in keeping the restrictions in place, but that he'd now changed his mind and was willing to go with the 'hot' option of easing restrictions to save the economy and accepting a much higher rate of deaths.
 
I have no idea what people at yards where the YO lives on site with highly vulnerable family members will do. Ban all liveries for 18 months plus until a vaccine? That makes sense medically, but not at all for the owners of the horses.
 
Muddywellies said:
It's just not possible if yard owners want to keep their business. People who aren't allowed to see their horses long term will just move. Who's going to pay the amount that I pay on my mortgage, on livery, to not be able to see their horse?
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Exactly

It is not, and has never been, ok to just pull up the drawbridge and say to your customers "yes we will take your money but you can't have the service we originally agreed because we have decided to cherry pick bits and bobs of government and industry guidelines to suit ourselves"
 
Muddywellies said:
It's just not possible if yard owners want to keep their business. People who aren't allowed to see their horses long term will just move. Who's going to pay the amount that I pay on my mortgage, on livery, to not be able to see their horse?
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Exactly

It is not, and has never been, ok to just pull up the drawbridge and say to your customers "yes we will take your money but you can't have the service we originally agreed because we have decided to cherry pick bits and bobs of government and industry guidelines to suit ourselves"
 
maya2008 said:
I have no idea what people at yards where the YO lives on site with highly vulnerable family members will do. Ban all liveries for 18 months plus until a vaccine? That makes sense medically, but not at all for the owners of the horses.
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That's the situation I'm in. We were allowed to visit today for the first time.
 
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