ecb89
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My yard are starting to lift restrictions. We are able to go for 1.5 hours. One person on the yard at a time. I have been told I can go this Tuesday. I can’t wait!
Livery yards being closed, banned from seeing our horses
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tristar
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southerncomfort
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Ha ha!
It has been quite amusing watching everyone's hair become unruly.
Luckily I've been cutting my own hair for years with varying degrees of success. ☺
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Where there’s a will... Though to be picky, the distancing is still maybe less than 2m?
ester
Not slacking multitasking
iirc hairdressers are still counted as 'essential' in Aus so have never shutdown.
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
They were an exception in Spain at first but I think then closed.
My hair was due to be cut this week, give it a month to get really bad and I'd risk it.
My hair was due to be cut this week, give it a month to get really bad and I'd risk it.
Michen
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Totally agree with this.
I’m going to be brunette soon and that will make me very unhappy.
AlDestoor
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I get that alot of YO are doing what is necessary but I personally feel that alot of YO are seeing this as an excuse to take charge of others horses and their welfare.
Having just left a yard where a cow farmer thought that they knew my horse better than I did- I don't agree with some of the restrictions in place and feel, like Italy and France, there should be more guidelines and not leaving it up to a YO discretion.
Having just left a yard where a cow farmer thought that they knew my horse better than I did- I don't agree with some of the restrictions in place and feel, like Italy and France, there should be more guidelines and not leaving it up to a YO discretion.
paddy555
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or it could be the case that YO's are trying to comply with the govt's lockdown in the case of full livery and are also being extremely selfish. ie trying to keep the virus away from their property and family and to save their own lives and those of their family. Just a different perspective.
I appreciate YO's are running a business however I wonder how many people would like a dozen or more people tramping through their property on a daily basis when they have no idea how strict they are on hygiene, where they have come from (virus wise) and, dare I say it, if some should in fact be in isolation either due to having symptoms or contacts with symptoms.
It is easy to criticise YO's but you have no idea what underlying health problems either they or their families have and how vulnerable they would be to the virus.
I doubt any YO wants to take on additional responsibility and additional work.
AlDestoor
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I do get this, which is why I'm saying some yards. One in my mind is still letting people gather for G&T's in barns.... but then claiming they are sticking with social distancing. It's all just what suits. Don't get me wrong, most yards are being proactive and I salute them for it.
Frumpoon
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My personal view is that if you aren't comfortable with a dozen or so people tramping through your property then don't run a business from home, go and get a normal full time job!
It is not the responsibility of your liveries to subsidise your country lifestyle whilst you interpret the government guidelines to suit yourself.
AlDestoor
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@Frumpoon I'm so glad someone else said it. Whilst I agree that these are peoples homes etc, but why should a normal healthy person who isn't a risk be stopped from doing what they enjoy and often, deem as a mental health support. If you are at risk, then following government guidelines you should be self isolating anyway. This is what annoyed me most.
Muddywellies
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Hear hear!
be positive
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In normal circumstances I am more than happy for my liveries to come and go whenever they want but this situation is exceptional and as a high risk person I have restricted access, I allow the liveries to come to ride, do extra care and they are expected to abide by the guidelines set, my concern is that I do not know who they are in contact with when they are not here and whether they would know they had it if asymptomatic, for now as we live in an area so far fairly low in cases I will continue to allow access and they are well aware I am considered high risk, if I totally self isolated they would not be able to come at all as most of the horses on the property are mine.
As for them subsidising my lifestyle I will treat that comment with the contempt it deserves.
AlDestoor
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I quite like the idea of a timetable that has been utilised on yards, and in your case @be positive, you're taking the sane approach.
I've known yards around here stop riding completely, even ground work (which is baffling considering not even Italy/ France have done this), some have stopped hacking but allowing riding in groups in arena (again baffling), some giving timetables (which I completely agree with) and some providing hand sanitiser at different points on the yards (again I agree with!) and some who, at the end of the day, disinfect everything that is communal (I was doing this on my last place as I was often the last person on the yard).
I think it's more about taking a realistic and sane approach.
I've known yards around here stop riding completely, even ground work (which is baffling considering not even Italy/ France have done this), some have stopped hacking but allowing riding in groups in arena (again baffling), some giving timetables (which I completely agree with) and some providing hand sanitiser at different points on the yards (again I agree with!) and some who, at the end of the day, disinfect everything that is communal (I was doing this on my last place as I was often the last person on the yard).
I think it's more about taking a realistic and sane approach.
magicmoments
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I would have thought the majority of yards had a separate house and garden that would not be accessed by liveries normally anyway so should be fine. I personally would not want people on my business property that I felt I could not trust to take sensible precautions on an occasion such as we are now in. I can see a reason for restricting full liveries, but think it is totally unacceptable to stop diy coming up to take care of their horses. Feel very sorry for any livery that doesn't trust their YO to care for their horse. I have to say that the time I have spent caring for my share horse has been a godsend in the current situation, which I am finding quite depressing, despite knowing that is for good reason.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Anyone thinking of opening a livery yard would be wise to read Frumpoon’s posts beforehand. Eye opening.
Frumpoon
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Sussexbythesea
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I think some yard owners have gone too far however I think this is unprecedented and I think a lot of people didn’t know what to do and interpreted the guidance narrowly. I don’t think the BHS did anyone any favours. In most places there will be a way to manage the risks well without resorting to putting everyone on full livery or banning owners from yards. It just takes a bit of organisation. Going into the next three weeks I think YO’s really need to make the effort to sort something more sustainable out.
paddy555
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totally agree.
It is the yard owner's yard and their rules. If people don't like them, then as you would with any other service, go elsewhere.
As for liveries subsidising a YO's country lifestyle word's fail me. If the YO had a normal full time job there wouldn't be a livery yard in the countryside to keep your horses on.
I find the selfish attitude of some liveries at the current exceptional time amazing. I am surprised if YO's have to put up with this they don't just serve notice.
Frumpoon
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totally agree.
It is the yard owner's yard and their rules. If people don't like them, then as you would with any other service, go elsewhere.
As for liveries subsidising a YO's country lifestyle word's fail me. If the YO had a normal full time job there wouldn't be a livery yard in the countryside to keep your horses on.
I find the selfish attitude of some liveries at the current exceptional time amazing. I am surprised if YO's have to put up with this they don't just serve notice.
It may surprise you to know that I do agree
What's I am saying isn't that a large number of horses have been removed from yards with punitive lockdown rules and as a result those lockdown rules have been relaxed
Which sort of points towards the original reason not being the carefully thought through decision making process informed by a good and thorough understanding of science and human biology
If people do remove their horses and go elsewhere for the services they require then those yard owners will have to go and get a normal job anyway and all will be resolved
paddy555
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I have just read your other thread about having to move your horse. If you read your final sentence above possibly it may point towards the mystery as to why your YO gave you notice. They may think that they have discretion as to how they run their yard.
Frumpoon
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Paddy are you worried that your liveries are going to leave and you'll have to go and work at Asda or similar?
Chianti
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Thanks. We haven't been told yet if we can go again. It's very hard but others are going through worse.
Winters100
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totally agree.
It is the yard owner's yard and their rules. If people don't like them, then as you would with any other service, go elsewhere.
As for liveries subsidising a YO's country lifestyle word's fail me. If the YO had a normal full time job there wouldn't be a livery yard in the countryside to keep your horses on.
I find the selfish attitude of some liveries at the current exceptional time amazing. I am surprised if YO's have to put up with this they don't just serve notice.
Totally agree. Hundreds of people are dying every day and everyone is being asked to stay home as much as possible. Of course DIYs need to do their horses, and of course there are exceptions, horses with welfare issues etc, but to me just wanting to see your horses is not a good reason to visit a yard. We all miss our horses, but I am pretty sure that my friend who is working on the frontline and living in a bedsit so as not to take it home to her family also misses them. There are bigger things in life than not seeing our horses, and many other groups of society are also making sacrifices, the horse owning world is not an exception.
Regarding liveries subsidising YOs lives I would say that livery in the UK costs about the same as where I live in Poland, despite the fact that real estate prices and staff costs are a fraction of that in the UK. The least that YOs deserve is some respect and some compliance with their rules at such a difficult time.
paddy555
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not in the slightest worried Frumpoon. I don't have liveries, my yard is my own private yard with only my own horses and I refuse to take liveries. If I ever have any doubts on that score I only have to read stories on this forum. And no, I am not planning on Asda or anywhere else for that matter. Hope that sets your mind at rest.
Frumpoon
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not in the slightest worried Frumpoon. I don't have liveries, my yard is my own private yard with only my own horses and I refuse to take liveries. If I ever have any doubts on that score I only have to read stories on this forum. And no, I am not planning on Asda or anywhere else for that matter. Hope that sets your mind at rest.
Phew! I do worry about you so you have reassured me
Gingerwitch
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I have said this once before, yards may survive C19, but the way they have reacted and treated liveries may be a totally different issue. I get that yard owners want to protect themselves and their families but people paying £500 a month plus are not going to happily pay this when other yard sections of the yard are being given free access.
Why does everyone think that if you are Full Livery you can be treated like a second class citizen in regards to your horses welfare. Whilst I am sure that there are some very good yards, but their is equally the ones that will take advantage of the banning of owners to enable them to take short cuts.
paddy555
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that could well be true however I doubt well run yards will have any problems in taking on new liveries.
Frumpoon
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Not delivering the service you are paid to by banning customers can't really be classed as well run