Loose horse in field with saddle attached(friends)

I never have and never would. They're fine for horses that lunge well but if you're handling something that may be unpredicatable (ie youngster) then they don't give enough control. When you're on the end of a long lunge line it's incredible easy for horses to drag you.
 
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Perhaps the key is to fit it correctly - i.e. tighter than a headcollar, and to lead the horse from yard to school with it already fitted? Cavessons do give more control than headcollars, obviously, especially if you have fitted a bit to them.
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is it not possible to herd said horse up? Get a couple of sensible horses and hope that it follows it's inner herd instinct? Or call one of the behaviourists out, I'm sure they'd have a clue what to do!
 
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didnt your lass get in with the big lads jumping the fence when you were lunging her or was that someone else i am thinking off?
 
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A fearless horse is not a good thing unfortunately. Experienced riders want horses that have a brain and self preservation. It can become very dangerous when they have no fear at all.

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That is what I felt too! Just wasnt confident enough to say it as im not a pro and dont really know what they want!
 
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I never have and never would. They're fine for horses that lunge well but if you're handling something that may be unpredicatable (ie youngster) then they don't give enough control. When you're on the end of a long lunge line it's incredible easy for horses to drag you.

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I've lunged quite a few youngsters in cavessons...and not had any problems. I have found that people do tend to assume that a horse is born knowing how to lunge...and take them in the school clutching metres of line, and brandishing a whip dangerously, then wonder why their horses leg it....
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If she had been lunging for half an hour, how the heck has the saddle slipped round when he ran away? Was she lunging with the saddle slack or what?
 
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That is what I felt too! Just wasnt confident enough to say it as im not a pro and dont really know what they want!

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Something that stays in the arena would be a start
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didnt your lass get in with the big lads jumping the fence when you were lunging her or was that someone else i am thinking off?

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aha - yes I remember she did once when she was being very bad. But I didn't actually have a cavesson on her at that time.

I think they are fine for control & I normally have a bit attached so can't see what the problem is.
That said, horses are bigger and stronger than humans and tbh if they decide to go, then they can.
 
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didnt your lass get in with the big lads jumping the fence when you were lunging her or was that someone else i am thinking off?

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aha - yes I remember she did once when she was being very bad. But I didn't actually have a cavesson on her at that time.

I think they are fine for control & I normally have a bit attached so can't see what the problem is.
That said, horses are bigger and stronger than humans and tbh if they decide to go, then they can.

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she was tarting at the time i think wasnt she?she wanted to play with blackhawks sexy boy and who could blame her she did look very pleased with herself,although if i remember rightly she was been a royal cow the entire day wasnt she?
 
Bl**dy hell... Sorry but what kind of owner is your "friend" if he's had the saddle round his belly since last night?!?!
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She should've got some form of help LAST NIGHT, not tonight...! I'm inclined to agree with JM, perhaps it would be best to put him to sleep...
 
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Bl**dy hell... Sorry but what kind of owner is your "friend" if he's had the saddle round his belly since last night?!?!
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She should've got some form of help LAST NIGHT, not tonight...! I'm inclined to agree with JM, perhaps it would be best to put him to sleep...

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bloody hell if i put a horse down evertime it made an error or had a bad day would of paid more for knackers than livery.
If someone has a bad day at work and has a hissy fit should they get shot?

Its the first time the horse has done anything like this i know dangers of it getting on roads etc but the school horses where i used to work got out a good few times onto the actual road and grass verges but we never shot them.
 
and plsu for tonight if its in a paddock knee deep in grass has horses around it and is not having people trying to catch it then its going to stay put for tonight at least isnt it really.
 
Cellie -she will almost certainly find him in the morning with the saddle still under his belly. He will not out of choice leave a field of grass. There is nothing that can be realistically done tonight.
 
Have you read all of it because I have had to repeat so much.I feel too knackered to defend any more .So Im giving up she is not a bad owner please read all of the threads .
 
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or killed. Let's not forget this is an animal which is so 'fearless' (is he scared? isnt he?) that it jumps whatever's in it's way.

a horse galloping down the road at night is highly likely going to cause a serious accident.

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Now why exactly would a horse jump out of a field full of grass at night and gallop down a road? Once left alone, most likely it would quickly have settled down.

Far more likely to do that if they'd stayed chasing it round, and it really does seem futile trying to catch a horse in the middle of the night when you can't even see what you're doing. Packing it in and going back the next day sounds quite sensible to me.

I can't actually believe the people saying to shoot the horse. So big deal, it escaped and can't be caught - doesn't sound like its being tortured and wants to die.
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I agree with those who say get a vet to dart it, and then find some way to keep it in an enclosure or barn it cannot jump out of. No reason to shoot what sounds like a perfectly healthy horse, if a problematic one, without at least trying all the options.
 
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whilst i agree this is the best way to catch it, what will happen to it then? Will it be passed onto another 'expert'? What will happen if they can't get it's trust? For an animal to go to that extreme to evade human contact something is seriously wrong, it clearly is very unhappy with life.

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Oh that's not necessarily true AT ALL Antifaz was exactly the kind of horse to behave like this horse and he STILL has Houdini tendencies, but he's a totally different animal now. Why always imagine the worst-case scenario?
 
The horse you describe sounds A LOT like Antifaz. He's bucked me off, AND kicked me in the head, AND escaped several times when I've been lunging him in a bridle and saddle. Thankfully the saddle stayed on his back but he took it under A LOT of low branches.
I don't consider myself anything more than a sensible, fairly knowledgeable amateur and yet Antifaz is now a completely different animal. There's a lot to be said for patience and persistence.
Oh AND I've known horses to run straight through lunge lines, fences, etc.
 
It's now 12 midnight so I don't expect cellie to still be up and watching this, but my friend used a whole bottle of Bach's Rescue Remedy to round-up/load-up two limousin steers. She mixed the whole lot (you can't overdose on it) in some feed and it worked a treat. It's easy to get hold of at chemists, health food shops and supermarkets.

If you do manage to get him into a very small area with very high surround DON'T give him any water. Horses can manage without food for quite a while, but not without water. He would get to the point where he would do anything for a drink.

Good luck to your friend, tomorrow - please let us know the outcome.
 
Agree with spiral - there is very little you can do in the dark!

I believe it IS for real - we once lost a horse for 4 days with a saddle on - jockey came off out hacking, bridle came off with jockey and horse pissed off...couldn't get near the bugger (but he WAS out in the middle of the Spanish countryside, an area of prob 10 miles+ square LOL). We tried food (not a chance), herding (forget it) and in the end we left him for 48hrs with no contact...that sorted it, by the 4th morning he had come back to within 500 metres of the yard and then followed us in. Sometimes too much interaction is not proactive
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Good luck - in this circumstance I would prob dart it.
 
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Agree with spiral - there is very little you can do in the dark!

I believe it IS for real - we once lost a horse for 4 days with a saddle on - jockey came off out hacking, bridle came off with jockey and horse pissed off...couldn't get near the bugger (but he WAS out in the middle of the Spanish countryside, an area of prob 10 miles+ square LOL). We tried food (not a chance), herding (forget it) and in the end we left him for 48hrs with no contact...that sorted it, by the 4th morning he had come back to within 500 metres of the yard and then followed us in. Sometimes too much interaction is not proactive
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Good luck - in this circumstance I would prob dart it.

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I know a girl who did that in Swansea, fell off ridng on the common, got the horse back six weeks later
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What a sad circumstance - a good reason why with a youngster or nervous horse its a good idea to make sure everything is on properly BEFORE you leave the stable
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I hope it all works out ok.
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i will repeat...

i did not say have it shot....

my comment about horse and handler WAS tongue in cheek..

i did say to sedate it though....

thank you...............
 
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I have tried to read everything, so here's my two cents worth.
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I am really sorry about your friend's horse, he sounds like he is very stressed out and clearly you are all worried about him. I don't think your friend did anything wrong, horses catch us all out all the time, these things just happen. As for his behaviour now, I have seen other horses do this. A friend's pony unloaded her on a cross country course and it took 9 hours to catch it again (food, lunge lines, pen, etc did not work, the RSPCA had to come and dart it) - once caught it continued to have a normal ridden life (in riding school and by children). As for this horse's long term future, I think this is something your friend needs to consider in context. Getting professional help I am sure is a good idea.
 
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