Lot's of standing martingales and a lovely bit of rolkur.

Antifreeze wearing a standing martingale. Sooo hard for him to jump....
That's not me on board. I wear a hat ;)

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and another...

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Big Ben said:
I'm of the old school as well, no jumping in a standing, we were allowed to pop over a small downed log, but that was it. I've been in a few arguments over that one, old habits and early training die hard.

Not that I jump any longer but why is a running so wrong for jumping, it was the martingale of choice whe we were having competitions outside the ark with Noah for a judge:)
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A running worls on the horses mouth and for a horse who is sensitiv in the mouth they just don't work. My horse went on loan and the knob who had him but a running on him despite me saying no and know his mouth is ruined and I can't get over a fence without his ears literally in my face because he's waiting to be socked in the teeth by the martingale. :(

I've found a sheepskin noseband prefferable to martingales.
 
Some pieces of tack just seem to get a bad press standing martingales is one although I do aggree that's it's very unlikely 80% of horses at a show would go best in a standing and perhaps fashion was at work there or something.
Personally I would in some circumstances SJ in a correctly fitted standing and the length of a standing martingale is critical to its safety especially if you are going to jump.
Personally I hate to see horses tense running around above the bit with riders sawing at snaffles and don't understand why people don't get all hot under the collar about that and think about what's going on inside those horses backs.
 
Come the revolution the rules in all competitions will be snaffle bit only and no contraptions allowed on site. Nice even playing field.

Paula
 
Paulag said:
Come the revolution the rules in all competitions will be snaffle bit only and no contraptions allowed on site. Nice even playing field.

Paula
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Snaffle action raise the head and for some horses they are just not the best thing it is an even playing field within the rules you chose for your horse.
The only way to have a turely level playing field is is one person rode all the horses and trained them all . Competing is a test of everything you do so within the bounds of a few safety rules everyone should just let others get on with frustrating as it sometimes to watch it.
 
Paulag said:
Come the revolution the rules in all competitions will be snaffle bit only and no contraptions allowed on site. Nice even playing field.

Paula
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That is so utterly ignorant it's laughable.

What about horses who don't cope well with a bit at all and prefer to go bitless or are they not included in your level playing field?

Is a snaffle bit not a contraption at the most basic level??
 
Kokopelli said:
Personally I would prefer to jump in a well fitted elasticated standing then a running. Running martingales have completely the wrong action I hate the way it works on the mouth. But then I would probably try and work out why my horse is trying to put head up rather than strap it down, normally because people use too much hand and not enough leg.
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^^^^that - i did a hunt season in the US many moons ago and it converted my terricbly british mentality to jumping in standings - actually now i'd always rather a well fitted elastic standing over a running - again i hate the way a running works on the mouth. And again i'd work with the horse to consider why the head was up so high rather than shove martingale on and end of.

sounds horrific tbh - but not at all unheard of.
i get odd looks in SJ round here in my cavesson snaffle niseband on my hunter type horse... then - amazingly this year have been unbeaten (ok ok only had 4 outings but still pleased ;)) against very competative riders who cant uite believe her turn of speed in the arena - esp as she walks in buckle of rein and walks out buckle of rein - only turns into manic jumping machine when asked and turns back off as quickly - i call that manners ;)
 
Oh well that's given me a jolly good laugh this morning. Someone who doesn't know what they are talking about starts up the outrage bandwagon and then a whole bunch of people rush to jump on it thus displaying their own ignorance.
 
Guys, chill out. It's only a bloody horse. Plenty more out there. Cheap as chips some of them.

:D
 
tallyho! said:
Guys, chill out. It's only a bloody horse. Plenty more out there. Cheap as chips some of them.

:D
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Nice one. :D

FWIW, I have a very distant memory of a BHS training book that said no jumping in standing martingales, but it might be one of those imaginary memories and I don't jump or use standing martingales anyway.
 
Flame_ said:
Nice one. :D

FWIW, I have a very distant memory of a BHS training book that said no jumping in standing martingales, but it might be one of those imaginary memories and I don't jump or use standing martingales anyway.
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And only if you are5 foot 2 of course if you are 6 foot 2 it's a 14.2 you are wanting.
 
QR...not read the whole thread.....

Theres nothing wrong with a well fitted standing martingale.....rather that than lose your front teeth.....I used one for several months until horse progressed on from giraffe to regular horse.:)

I prefer them....no interference with the reins and the mouth.

Also....I don't hunt.....but I gather they are used widely in hunting.
 
Hippona said:
QR...not read the whole thread.....

Theres nothing wrong with a well fitted standing martingale.....rather that than lose your front teeth.....I used one for several months until horse progressed on from giraffe to regular horse.:)

I prefer them....no interference with the reins and the mouth.

Also....I don't hunt.....but I gather they are used widely in hunting.
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You do see them out hunting. I use them when taking four yo out they can just save your teeth if the horse has a melt down.
Polo is where you see the biggest percentage of horses wearing them I think.
 
I've always used a standing especially when teaching a horse to jump as I'd rather they socked themselves on the nose than in the mouth which is the effect a running martingale has.

Fitted correctly they don't restrict the horse in any way.
 
im not saying no to jumping in a standing but i personally dont like either types of martingale... just too much intefearence for me ;)
one thing i loathe however is baddly fitted gadgets!! :mad:
i was recently at a sj competition (quite a high level) and there was a guy there on a big chestnut... i couldnt believe my eyes when i saw the tack!!
it had a grackle and a flash noseband plus a dutch gag on the bottom ring as well as a very short standing martingale and a running (this means he also had two breastplates, one for each martingale) and it was booted up to the eyeballs and had two half pads on.
it honestly looked like he has done a trolly dash around ride away! :eek: :rolleyes:
and funnily enough the horse jumped terribly ;) but that could have something to do with his riding skill :rolleyes:

but personally i dont like to see a horse jumped in a standing because 9 times out of 10 ime they have been too short :confused:
 
ex racer rider said:
im not saying no to jumping in a standing but i personally dont like either types of martingale... just too much intefearence for me ;)
one thing i loathe however is baddly fitted gadgets!! :mad:
i was recently at a sj competition (quite a high level) and there was a guy there on a big chestnut... i couldnt believe my eyes when i saw the tack!!
it had a grackle and a flash noseband plus a dutch gag on the bottom ring as well as a very short standing martingale and a running (this means he also had two breastplates, one for each martingale) and it was booted up to the eyeballs and had two half pads on.
it honestly looked like he has done a trolly dash around ride away! :eek: :rolleyes:
and funnily enough the horse jumped terribly ;) but that could have something to do with his riding skill :rolleyes:

but personally i dont like to see a horse jumped in a standing because 9 times out of 10 ime they have been too short :confused:
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OMG.....how do you physically get that amount of tack on a horse:confused:
 
Most items of tack can be problematic if ill fitted and in the wrong hands. A single jointed bit on my KWPN who has a huge tongue is incredibly harsh on him, yet as a snaffle nobody would bat an eyelid.

All items of tack have different effects upon different horses depending upon how they are put together and how they go, the only way to know if it is impeding a horse is to watch a specific situation. My horse does not employ his neck until the fences get huge, this is clearly seen when loose jumping - no tack so he could use it if he wanted. I don't use a standing but I doubt a properly fitted elasticated one would affect him particularly at something like 1.05m
 
Faracat said:
I have been told that it is common in the US hunter/jumper scene, so maybe it's crept over from there. I don't like it though.
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You should look at some of the old showjumping legends like Pat Smythe, Harvey Smith and the like back in the 50 and 60s; standing martingales were used many times then but they were fitted that they never interfered with a horse jumping.
 
millitiger said:
That is so utterly ignorant it's laughable.

What about horses who don't cope well with a bit at all and prefer to go bitless or are they not included in your level playing field?

Is a snaffle bit not a contraption at the most basic level??
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So true and a snaffle in the wrong hands can be a lot worse for the horse. A bit is only as good as the hands using it.
 
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