Lovely horse for sale

Rowreach said:
The not perfectly conformed horse still needs to be sound and without multiple red flags before you start though.

This poor horse has so many red flags I can see them from here.
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Someone will still buy it though and probably for a fair chunk of cash.

I wouldn’t give 50p for the poor thing
 
It's a quality sort of a horse, but if it doesn’t already have hind suspensory issues it almost certainly will very soon, particularly with how it has been produced (ploughing down onto its forehand with the hind legs jammed out behind it)
It’s also the kind of horse with a very limited market- it's not talented enough for its type, so would appeal to quite a limited market (not good enough for a pro/ serious amateur, probably too much horse for a less ambitious amateur)
 
Takes 'on the forehand' to a whole different dimension. It is a long backed, badly conformed moose who is physically unable to work over his back and is simply dragging himself along in the video clips. But the unforgiving hand of the rider is having an impact and I can fully see why it has a bib on, its teeth are mighty near that martingale at times.

Go back to basics, back into walk and do twenty million half halts and transitions and you might have a horse that can balance himself and put his weight back, but would those hind limbs cope. Questionable. Personally I find nothing attractive about the horse at all, but despite the way he being ridden he looks honest and kind in the clips.
 
TheMule said:
It’s also the kind of horse with a very limited market- it's not talented enough for its type, so would appeal to quite a limited market (not good enough for a pro/ serious amateur, probably too much horse for a less ambitious amateur)
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I feel like I always own these types because I'm an idiot. Makes reselling fun (not). It is indeed a limited and weird sort of market for that type. If they're sound, even more so. I feel as though these are the type that are more susceptible to being passed around.
 
ester said:
I was also thinking in my head the sort of people with a 10k budget are less likely to be the people that can afford to take the gamble that it's likely going to break relatively soon, so struggling to see the market.
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Which I guess is why he's been for sale for 4 months so far.
Can I just say , I think he's a nice colour? 🤣🤣

(Ii was always taught, when assessing a horse, start with something nice before you rip them to shreds!)
 
is he being positioned for export? several other horses on that account (FB - I can't see the ad videos) seem to be trained to jump long, low or on the forehand.
 
Bellaboo18 said:
Yeah, he was advertised on Facebook back then. As someone that's on the circuit he'll have so many contacts it's even stranger to have a horse advertised for so long 🤔
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Yes there's a horse called B B (shortened initials for name) that's been advertised on HQ years ago when I bought Lari, I saw him for sale again in 2022, initially had a video but declined to see him as he didn't look right, and then on two separate occasions last year and now again he was advertised. Each time his price reduces and reduces. He's in the £8k's now.

Not suggesting for one minute this is true in his case, just talking generally, but it's amazing how a pro rider can make a horse look amazing!
 
SilverLinings said:
Also, which two paces are incredible? If one of them is gallop it won't be much help in dressage 🤣 And are the other paces 'average' or rubbish?
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Agreed. If it’s out jumping, I’d assume canter is ok and probably walk….leaving me suspicious that a dodgy trot is actually lameness.

I could more understand listing a horse as “green, canter a work in progress” which could be understandable.

ETA: just noticed/ watched a bit of the video…..weirdly disunited canter behind, the ‘running behind’ type I’ve seen with SI issues. (Not saying that’s he case, but would put me off)
 
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Birker2020 said:
Gosh you guys must have some conformationally good and lovely paced horses given how much there has been to criticise him. It's been very interesting hearing everyone's viewpoint though and thanks for the help. You can't judge a book by its cover clearly.
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Yup. I like to keep mine for the long term and I want them to be as sound as possible. The one that hasn't been is a pity buy, old cob who is 29 now, and still demonstrates a fabulous trot across the field. Looks like she's made from spare parts though!
 
Birker2020 said:
Gosh you guys must have some conformationally good and lovely paced horses given how much there has been to criticise him. It's been very interesting hearing everyone's viewpoint though and thanks for the help. You can't judge a book by its cover clearly.
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Actually the criticisms have been fairly limited to the hind leg where the issue is most obvious.

For most people handsome is as handsome does. But when there’s such an obvious disparity between description and what’s put in front of you, then you can understand why people’s opinion could be different from yours.

Having said that, a friend owned a large 17hh plus horse that was the worst put together thing I’ve ever seen. And you could iron a shirt on his hocks. Never had a day lame in its life.
 
I’ve read this post with interest (and put in my comment, which was moderate compared with many). Yes the hind pasterns are dodgy theoretically, and his movement under saddle looks schooled in a particular way. But the level of vitriol aimed at this horse and whoever has had him has surprised me. He’s not actually that bad and I’ve seen worse horses conformationally have very active successful careers. He also looks from what I can see to be very honest towards a fence and trying his best in his work. I appreciate some of the remarks about ‘what is the market for a horse of this type’ but many of these are based on the assumption that he will certainly break. I quite like him. Wouldn’t pay 10k for him (I recently paid £5k for something not dissimilar, which to me is an amount that is not quite so upsetting to lose).
 
Birker2020 said:
Gosh you guys must have some conformationally good and lovely paced horses given how much there has been to criticise him. It's been very interesting hearing everyone's viewpoint though and thanks for the help. You can't judge a book by its cover clearly.
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You literally CAN judge this book by what you are seeing in the ad, as people have done.
 
AmyMay said:
Actually the criticisms have been fairly limited to the hind leg where the issue is most obvious.

For most people handsome is as handsome does. But when there’s such an obvious disparity between description and what’s put in front of you, then you can understand why people’s opinion could be different from yours.

Having said that, a friend owned a large 17hh plus horse that was the worst put together thing I’ve ever seen. And you could iron a shirt on his hocks. Never had a day lame in its life.
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My friends elderly horse who has just died mid-30s had eyebrow raising front feet- pigeon toed and dreadful angle… yet he had one minor bout of lameness in all his working life.

Luck of the draw in a lot of cases I think.
 
Abacus said:
I’ve read this post with interest (and put in my comment, which was moderate compared with many). Yes the hind pasterns are dodgy theoretically, and his movement under saddle looks schooled in a particular way. But the level of vitriol aimed at this horse and whoever has had him has surprised me. He’s not actually that bad and I’ve seen worse horses conformationally have very active successful careers. He also looks from what I can see to be very honest towards a fence and trying his best in his work. I appreciate some of the remarks about ‘what is the market for a horse of this type’ but many of these are based on the assumption that he will certainly break. I quite like him. Wouldn’t pay 10k for him (I recently paid £5k for something not dissimilar, which to me is an amount that is not quite so upsetting to lose).
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Caveat emptor.
 
Neither of mine are perfect but I was young and uneducated when I got them I love them dearly and wouldn't want to be without them, I don't regret getting either of them but knowing what I know now I can see there faults.
 
My horse has quite a few conformation faults, and his paces are just OK. I accept that he's good/sound until he's not. Then that's the end of the road. Whether it be at 4, 8, or 28.

I've just seen so many crocked horses, especially Warmbloods because that's what I was surrounded by for many years, and this one just doesn't give me a good feeling. The way that this horse has been produced and is being ridden just isn't for me, but that's ME. I'm also not blinded by a horse being a "Warmblood" and I do think that's a thing for some buyers/owners. I don't know why, but I've seen enough of it to conclude that it's a thing. Especially outside of the continent. I've bought and owned a Warmblood that turned into an onion peeling venture and the signs were there from the beginning. So I haven't owned only "perfect" horses and have made mistakes.

I have seen some horses put together like a Picasso painting, but they moved soundly and were out doing a job and doing it well.
We can even find faults on Valegro, Dalera, Fuego, and other top horses. Every horse has faults or things about them that make would make some pause for a sec. It's basically whatever you're comfortable with and are willing to take on.

However, if you take on a horse that a group of people told you had a variety of issues and/or red flags, they're going to be a bit less sympathetic when you come back bemoaning about said horse and it's issues.

I don't want to bash the OP here, and I think many of us want to prevent the OP from having another "poor" experience when buying and owning a horse. Obviously, Lari is loved and it is what it is, but there were red flags when I first saw his video and whatnot, so I was zero percent surprised when he had a plethora of issues. Perhaps he reminded me of a previous horse of mine that unraveled in a spectacular way. We all have our own experiences and perspectives that shape our views.

I don't think that most people on here love speaking negatively about a horse, and it is often is driven by good intentions. Many of these voices that speak "negatively" aren't talking out of their arses, so even if it's hard info to take in at times, it's worth considering.

Just because some criticize a horse, it doesn't mean that they're speaking from a place of perfection. I don't think that should be a credential for criticism either. I pick apart my own horse a lot, because he's far from perfection.
 
CanteringCarrot said:
My horse has quite a few conformation faults, and his paces are just OK. I accept that he's good/sound until he's not. Then that's the end of the road. Whether it be at 4, 8, or 28.

I've just seen so many crocked horses, especially Warmbloods because that's what I was surrounded by for many years, and this one just doesn't give me a good feeling. The way that this horse has been produced and is being ridden just isn't for me, but that's ME. I'm also not blinded by a horse being a "Warmblood" and I do think that's a thing for some buyers/owners. I don't know why, but I've seen enough of it to conclude that it's a thing. Especially outside of the continent. I've bought and owned a Warmblood that turned into an onion peeling venture and the signs were there from the beginning. So I haven't owned only "perfect" horses and have made mistakes.

I have seen some horses put together like a Picasso painting, but they moved soundly and were out doing a job and doing it well.
We can even find faults on Valegro, Dalera, Fuego, and other top horses. Every horse has faults or things about them that make would make some pause for a sec. It's basically whatever you're comfortable with and are willing to take on.

However, if you take on a horse that a group of people told you had a variety of issues and/or red flags, they're going to be a bit less sympathetic when you come back bemoaning about said horse and it's issues.

I don't want to bash the OP here, and I think many of us want to prevent the OP from having another "poor" experience when buying and owning a horse. Obviously, Lari is loved and it is what it is, but there were red flags when I first saw his video and whatnot, so I was zero percent surprised when he had a plethora of issues. Perhaps he reminded me of a previous horse of mine that unraveled in a spectacular way. We all have our own experiences and perspectives that shape our views.

I don't think that most people on here love speaking negatively about a horse, and it is often is driven by good intentions. Many of these voices that speak "negatively" aren't talking out of their arses, so even if it's hard info to take in at times, it's worth considering.

Just because some criticize a horse, it doesn't mean that they're speaking from a place of perfection. I don't think that should be a credential for criticism either. I pick apart my own horse a lot, because he's far from perfection.
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Spot on.
 
Birker2020 said:
Gosh you guys must have some conformationally good and lovely paced horses given how much there has been to criticise him. It's been very interesting hearing everyone's viewpoint though and thanks for the help. You can't judge a book by its cover clearly.
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Not necessarily, we are evaluating a horse against his type and price.

I have a complete wonky donkey that is unlikely to stay sound but she cost me nothing and she will be aimed at standing around and looking pretty, and maybe going for a hack.
 
My comment wasn’t based on conformation. It was based on the fact that even a conformationally terrible, just backed youngster should push through from behind and carry muscle on their quarters. Once, I didn’t know that and I accidentally bought a horse with locking stifles, not knowing that the lack of muscle behind was a giveaway.
 
Abacus said:
I’ve read this post with interest (and put in my comment, which was moderate compared with many). Yes the hind pasterns are dodgy theoretically, and his movement under saddle looks schooled in a particular way. But the level of vitriol aimed at this horse and whoever has had him has surprised me. He’s not actually that bad and I’ve seen worse horses conformationally have very active successful careers. He also looks from what I can see to be very honest towards a fence and trying his best in his work. I appreciate some of the remarks about ‘what is the market for a horse of this type’ but many of these are based on the assumption that he will certainly break. I quite like him. Wouldn’t pay 10k for him (I recently paid £5k for something not dissimilar, which to me is an amount that is not quite so upsetting to lose).
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This isn't a fair response. The thread was started by the poster asking the question why the horse was so cheap for his type, specifically saying "am I missing something?".

All anyone has done is give an explanation for why he is so cheap (and in fact he is, for me, and for you it seems, overpriced by exactly double) and telling the poster what she has missed. "Vitriol" seems a bit strong to describe that.

I think the fact that the horse has remained unsold for over four months even though underpriced, for his type, by 33% confirms that whatever criticisms there have been on this thread are more than borne out in the flesh.
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Birker2020 said:
Gosh you guys must have some conformationally good and lovely paced horses given how much there has been to criticise him. It's been very interesting hearing everyone's viewpoint though and thanks for the help. You can't judge a book by its cover clearly.
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I have a couple of fairly crocked low level allrounders/ hackers here, some of that down to their confirmation.

I appreciate the fine line that is the effort and sometimes cost in keeping them sound and wouldn’t encourage anyone to buy anything that (in my opinion) is already showing signs of problems, especially at £10k. That’s too much for me to gamble personally.
 
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