Lunged new bucking horse

We made the people we bought our horses from sign a contract my dad made confirming the horses were vice free (in henrys case we knew he bit so they did write that) and to sign that they were suitable for what we were going to use them for. Did you get anything like that?

If in doubt phone old owner as say look this pony seems to buck whenever i ride it, could you just come have a ride on it

Also I would contact the vet I assume you told them it was too be ridden so if it was just lunged then it wasnt vetted properly! as they coundly determine whether it was fit for purpose. Also get another vet to come and see the horse now to get a second opinion
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OM My heart goes out to you. I have read all your posts so far but till now haven't answered you.
I had one do the same two years ago, he bucked constantly when asked to canter, not just with me, but anyone who sat on his back, I spent hundreds getting his back/ teeth/ saddle all looked at, even bought a new saddle. Had constant lessons with him Schooled fo rhours talked the back legs off any one who would listen about him.
In the end i sent him back to where he came from, it was a dealers yard and because of a lucky contact I got my money that I paid for him, but I had still coughed up loads trying to fix him.
Looking back I can say I knew from the start I had the wrong horse, after all the very first thing he did when I unlaoded him was atack the yard dog!!! He kicked and bit and dragged people around like a bull. None of this was even hinted at on the four times I went to see him!!!
The best thing I could have done was listen to my instinct and get rid sooner. And I think the only reason I didnt was because I was for some reason almost waiting for permision from my other horsey mates to do this.
If you think you should get rid then do so, its you that has to deal with this horse and it is suposed to be fun.
I would however go to citizens advice and ask about making a small claims court case against the seller, as they are free and solicitors are not. After all it may end up costing you more to persue through court system.
 
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So how was horse 5 stage vetted? Surely you'd have a case against the vet?

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as i said, maybe she should ring the vet and have a little chat???
 
Phone the vet who did the vetting and ask about it. He must have seen it go into canter. Was it your vet or the old owners vet?
 
Where is 200 miles away? Some one may know her and can confirm whether she sells enough to warrant her as a 'dealer', that way you can go to trading standards and they can intervene..although don't say who she is on here just the area, those in that area can then pm you otherwise it will be considered defamatory...
 
TBH I think I'd load up the horse, stick a few big mates on the box aswell and take the horse back to the person you bought it from and demand your money back.
Some solicitors will give you a free 1/2 hour consultation for these kinds of things but failing that go to the CAB and get some advice form them
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Good point as I was under the impresion that it had to be a impartial vet who does vettings and not the horses usual vet. So if it was the normal vet that could help OM prove that this is all way dodgy and she has been miss sold a horse, and misrepresented by the vet.
 
If you read my previous posts I have already explained how to go about sueing the seller i.e. finding out how many horses they have sold in the past 12 months which will decide whether they are a dealer in law (rather than in practice). I have also asked to see the original ad which could also make or break the case, as well as agreeing that videoing the horse is a good idea.

However, OM has no intention of keeping the horse, then don't waste any more money by getting vets etc out, particularly if it already passed a 5 stage vetting last week.
 
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Good point as I was under the impresion that it had to be a impartial vet who does vettings and not the horses usual vet. So if it was the normal vet that could help OM prove that this is all way dodgy and she has been miss sold a horse, and misrepresented by the vet.

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If it was the horse's normal vet and the vetting fee was paid director to them by OM then she has the right to see the horses previous medical history. If it was an independent vet that had not treated the horse before, then she has no right to demand to see the history.
 
Thanks guys, you are a great bunch of people. I think I will ring her and threaten legal action and see where that gets me. Her stance this morning seemed to be that I have probably ruined the horse in the week I have had it. While I dont pretend to be the greatest rider on earth I have been riding for 40 years so felt a bit hurt by that accusation!

(PS ColleenISHMissy, would love to fly you over, it would be so nice to see someone who isnt windy like me have a sit on it. Unfortunately my friends wont even ride my other lovely horse so no chance of getting them on this one!)
 
I would write down what you want to say rather than just ring and threaten her. May also be a good idea to record the conversation as she may well say something important. Make sure you state the date and have someone sitting with you during the conversation (haven't a clue what makes it admissable evidence but at least you know you could be in with a shout!)

Say that you have taken advice (well you have - loads of it on here!) and that it si considered that you have a good case. Perhaps cite the case of a well known show rider in November last year being told that they had to pay the money back on the horse that they fraudulently sold, plus £50k costs. That should make her think twice.
 
Thanks FMM, I will do thatm I really appreciate your advise. The case you mention might well focus her mind a little as she is a showing person.
 
Horse can't have been vetted can it? I thought OM said there was nowhere to ride other than the road. How would a vet be able to do a full vetting, 5 stage, in that case?

This sheds whole new light to the situation OM. I'm very surprised that the horse bucks going into canter on the lunge.

You know, reading your posts about this horse, I think I'd be inclined to cut my losses and accept the £1500. Maybe then try and claim the rest back somehow. Just seems to me that you're going to be stuck with this horse in livery and if you were selling as a problem horse, you'd not get that much for it anyway.

Wonder if it has something like kissing spine? Probably way off the mark there though.
 
How long did you lunge the horse for?

Who and how was the horse transported to you?

Have you looked at Vetting and when you spoke to the vet did he mention anything about it bucking in canter?
 
Too late to edit above post.

I see horsey passed a vetting. Does that not change the whole "case" now? If horse passes a vetting as fit for the purpose you're buying for......does that not mean you have to take it up with the vet now legally? That certificate is "out there". I assume the owner would use it for her own defence.

Horse must've been cantered on the lunge else there is no way you had a full 5 stage vetting, just not possible. Not even sure my vet would've done a 5 stage on a broken horse only on the lunge. Would've expected to box horse to suitable arena for a full ridden test. That's also what I'd have wanted. Easy to be wise with hindsight though sadly.

My heart goes out to your Oldmare, it really does.
 
The vet had their own facilities for doing the vetting so they trailered her over there. I dont believe she was ridden in the vetting. The vet was someone they suggested, but they said it wasnt their own vet.

Once you get her into canter on the lunge she canters reasonably well until you trot and then the next time you ask for canter she bucks again. My guess is they put it down to the horse being in a strange place. I know a lot of horses buck on the lunge with high spirits but I tried to lunge her long enough to settle (about 20 minutes). My blacksmith was here (I just paid to have her re-shod) and he watched and said she looked plain angry rather than having fun! (Mind you he is good at feet, but not terribly into anything else to do with horses!)
 
I'd love to know if the owner refused to get on her for the vetting. No reason on earth to not have her ridden when vetted. So I take it the bucking is mentioned on the report?

Very bizarre. Something just doesn't add up somehow does it? I'm off Junction 16 of M6 and Patches was living at Junction 4. I contacted local vets in the area and asked one to go and do the vetting. Her old owners didn't choose the vet at all. I must admit, I did make the journey to see the vetting too.
 
Unfortunately I have sent the vets report off to the insurance company as they wanted to see it. Now I cant remember the name of the vet. I will ask the owner when she returns my call (gulp, not looking forward to it!!)
 
If you've only had the horse a week, I would suggest you are getting a bit worried too early.

Give the poor thing a chance..... its just moved home etc etc.

When you lunge it, try a placing pole and use it when you give the canter commands.

My young horse has a big canter and is reluctant at first most times but a placing pole always helps her and takes the stress away. Her balance is slowly improving.
 
Oldmare - just seen this post but haven't read your other posts so don't know full story. From what I have read, it sounds like discomfort rather than attitude/high spirits. I have to say that I've had plenty of horses pass 5 stage vettings only to find something within weeks by the back person, for some reason a lot of even the decent vets don't seem to spot back problems.

You need some legal advice immediately - are you a member of the BHS? Who else offers equine legal advice? Do you have anything with your insurance company?

I've also just noticed you're in Kent, as I am. Where abouts are you?
 
Don't know if this is any consolation at all but my mare has started bucking going into canter over the last couple of weeks. Last weekend this ended up with me flying out of the front door as she went for it big style! She is (I think) very high spirited and underworked at the moment. Fingers crossed that your new horse is the same
 
My heart really goes out to you.

I'm sorry I can't offer any advice about the bucking as I am really not the best rider.

All I can say a little about horse vettings.

When asking a vet to do a 5 stage vetting, you are entering into a contract with the vet for them to assess the horse on several requirements and to check it is fit for the purpose you are asking for.

You should have spoken to the vet that was undertaking the vetting and he / she should have gone over various questions with you, to make sure they were fully aware of your requirements.

If a horse is to be used as a ridden horse, then the horse should have been ridden under saddle during the vetting. If you were not able to attend the vetting and the seller was not willing to ride the horse, then the vet should of!

If none of this took place I would be asking serious questions!!

Also the horse has to be at hard work (ie canter) in order for the vet to check the horses heart rate and recovery rate. Therefore the vet must have seen the horse canter!!!!!! If it bucked then the vet should have noted this and should have asked the horse to be trotted and put in to canter again ( to check if it was a one off or if there was an issue) If the horse continued to buck the vet should have been asking for a canter in a straight line etc. (it is up to him at that point to rule anything out)

Did the vet speak to you????? I would hope that they did (seeing as you weren't present) If there were any signs of bucking what so ever the vet should have not only spoken to you about this but also it should be noted on the report!

I know you mentioned in your post, that you have lost the vets details.Could you not do a search on the internet for vets in that area? Check your phone bill online to see what numbers you contacted at the time?

I would be speaking to the old owners (with a bit of force and aggression if so be it) and I would also be having serious words with the vet that did the vetting. I think you are looking for the horse to go back now really, as I don't think you will feel the same about the horse again, even if you can rectify what is causing the bucking.)

All my thoughts are with you and I hope you get the solution you are looking for.

xx
 
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