Magnetic Headpiece - the verdict!!

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It is also a lot cheaper than parelli and you don't look so stupid doing it.

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FPMSL!!!
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There maye no scientific evidence for magnetic therapy, but I have seen and felt some bloody good results with it, and that is enough to make me believe there is something in it. However, as DD said, the effect with the bridle could be the way the rider responds to the "expected" behaviour that has had the difference in way of going
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But I am very open minded and believe magnotherapy has a significant benefit in some cases, I would like to try the magnetic bridle for myself before condemning it to be aload of cr*p.
 
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It is also a lot cheaper than parelli and you don't look so stupid doing it.

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he he!
I have a magnetic rug and I originally bought this to help with my mare who was a nightmare to travel. It helped to relax her as this is what I had read about them. The magnets have a natural calming effect, as it relaxes the muscles.
I am a great believer in the magnets as I have a magnetic belt which has helped enormously over the last few years, and after reading this post, I am tempted to buy one as my mare gets nervous at an event causing her to be tight through her back and shoulders as well as her poll. Perhaps this will help.
 
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I have a magnetic rug and I originally bought this to help with my mare who was a nightmare to travel. It helped to relax her as this is what I had read about them. The magnets have a natural calming effect, as it relaxes the muscles.
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Please direct me to the manufacturers science on this.
 
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It helped to relax her as this is what I had read about them. The magnets have a natural calming effect, as it relaxes the muscles.


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can you tell us who/which company sold you this rug..and any literature to back this rug up with regards to what you claim it does?
 
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could be any number of reasons why a young horse might behave after having a period off from being ridden?!

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but she hasnt given him time off from being ridden ??? i only saw her last week and Andrews for a lesson !!

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Whilst I hope Tempi is right and it is the magic headpiece, her original post said: Quick background is that he has basically been unrideable recently and will spend his time bronking at very high speed across the arena with me. It got to the stage where i didnt even want to ride him, so i was just lunging him instead.

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hes been unrideable, dosent mean i did ride him!!!!!! He didnt have a single day off when he was being really naughty and i rode him everytime apart from once when i lunged him.
 
I will quote my old vet (now sadly retired) who was probably the most sceptical person I have ever met. I asked him about magnet therapy and was it just a gimmick?
His grudging response>>>>
"I cant see how it works, theres no solid scientific reason why it should, BUT I've seen too many good results from it to dismiss it"

Saying there is no scientific basis for it working doesn't mean it cant. It simply means the science hasn't yet reached the stage were it can be understood.
Just look back through history to find the falibility of science
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Seems a dramatic & unlikely transformation but I'm sure PG isn't LYING, so something has caused the improvement - kinda doesn't matter WHAT as long as horse & rider are happy!

That said, I use a good quality magnetic bracelet that I wear on & off for a problem (when I'm not pregnant) & without a doubt, I feel the benefit from it & have done for about 10 years. There's certainly something in it & I'm happy to not worry about the science...
 
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"I cant see how it works, theres no solid scientific reason why it should, BUT I've seen too many good results from it to dismiss it"


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Well, never underestimate the power of the placebo effect...
 
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Well, never underestimate the power of the placebo effect...

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Don't be so smug! Where is the evidence that it DOESN'T work? Treating science like the all answers to all the questions are already known is very narrow minded.

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See this is the thing with science - it is usually very easy to find evidence for something whether or not there is the science to explain it. It would be incredibly easy to scientificly design and perform an experiment to find evidence that the magnets are doing something (and by this I am referring to actually finding a measureable effect that can only be attributed to the use of magnets and nothing else) which is why I find it very strange that no such studies have been done. Its something which given the time and resources this summer I would like to do. Some of the most important scientific discoveries were made by stumbling across evidence for something and then asking and analysing what caused it but with magnets there is no actual evidence that they have any effect what so ever - when there is no science that can explain what the manufacturers claim the magnets do and no scientific evidence that they do anything then its easy to understand why people such as myself believe it to be a load of twaddle.

As for "where is the evidence that it doesn't work?"... Unfortunately money doesn't grow on trees and research costs money. The people who fund research do it because they will, in some way, benefit from it. Therefore it makes sense that the people funding any research into "magnetic therapy" will be those who manufacture and supply magnetic products - they are very unlikely to fund a study which either actively sets out to provide evidence that their products don't actually work or a study which is sufficiently thorough and scientific that actually it is likely to give them the results that they don't want.
 
Well said. I am not convinced by magnets, some people are it really doesn't bother me. What I don't like is when people spout pseudo-scientific nonsense to provide 'evidence' of how they work. The worst being they attract blood as blood contains iron. Yes it does, but not in a magnetic form. I would be very worried if it did.
 
I'd not heard the one about blood containing iron, therefore it attracts magnets - what an interesting (and eye catching) spectacle that would make if it were true!

Having said that, I have a bioflow magnetic bracelet. Suffered for years with tennis elbow and a problem thumb. Had the bracelet for about 3 years now, bought it because I liked the bracelet rather than it being a magnetic one. I realised after about 6 months or so that I no longer had elbow or thumb joint problems. Also, I used to have little headaches about twice a week, and they also disappeared.

I can accept that the headaches could have gone of their own accord, but the elbow and thumb had been causing me pain for over 10 years, and the mobility I now have is far greater and the pain almost non existent. I didn't purchase the bracelet to "help" me - in fact quite poo pooed the idea. So I don't think that I was "wishing" it to work - somehow (and I don't know how) it just did. I never take the bracelet off.

So although I can't understand how Archie could have improved so dramatically, I really want to believe it is for real as the horse must be far happier which in turn makes his rider far happier and surely that is good for both of them! Just because I don't understand something and some people talk total cr4p about it, doesn't mean that it doesn't work!
 
When ever I have worn a magnet, used to for arthritis in my right wrist, my neck and for period pains, not at the same time though, I am always ill, feeling sick, dizzy fever like. They do say that they can cause that because it is clearing out the toxins, but how and why, does anyone, do the so called experts actually know why?
Now I thought the magnets worked, my wrist was certainly better when I was wearing it, but since I lost it 3 years ago, my wrist hasn't caused any problems so maybe it was nothing to do with the magnet, I never give the neck one a chance as it made me much more ill then the wrist one, and I have only just tried the one for period pains so don't no if that works yet.
But if they make me for like cr*p what does a horse feel, do horses feel ill like humans can, do the 'experts' know?
 
This is the point, you may get better when you use magnets but you can't prove that you got better because of the magnets.
People keep saying that they don'y know how magnets work but they do but then get arsey when it is suggested that the reason you feel better is the placebo effect.
There have been several studies investigating the use of magnets and none of them have proved that magnets have more of an effect then a non-magnetic placebo...
 
So why are magnetic products so expensive?

What's the justification for charging £60 for a strip of padded leather with a few magnets in it? (magnetic headpiece)
 
The justification is.......muppets are willing to pay.

Pure and simple. The base magnets are pennies each to produce and a couple of quid to buy wholesale.
 
I've just made a padded magnetic headpiece. The magnets were 10p each and the material about 50p. It's not leather and not pretty...but I'm going to give it a go!
 
Criticism from the scientific community views magnet therapy with disapproval since it is not explained within standard scientific protocol. Although there is a small amount of scientific evidence that appears to support its validity, [5] as a whole, magnet therapy is lacking scientific confirmation to be fully accepted in science.[6] Carey explains in A Beginner’s Guide to Scientific Method, that true scientific principles are rigorously tested according to the methods of the scientific method; hence, by applying techniques from scientific investigation, apparent fallacies of magnetic therapy can be pointed out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_therapy

I dont care what is written above. it has helped everytime I have put my back out. The bridles have made a difference to to 2 of my horses in various situations. It does not bother me how it works, but I believe it does. Certainly no one has proved it has done any harm.

What I think is a shame that people cant express an opinion without being rude! There are many thousands of people on this earth that believe in something that can never be proved, but would you call their faith cr-p? You would, then how very sad you are! And that is my opinion of small minded individuals.
 
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"I cant see how it works, theres no solid scientific reason why it should, BUT I've seen too many good results from it to dismiss it"


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Well, never underestimate the power of the placebo effect...

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Correct me if I'm wrong but placebo effect only works if the person being treated believes it works.
Now I may be stupid but I cansay with reasonable certainty that horses DONT know they are wearing magnetic boots / rugs etc so therefor there isn't a placebo effect.
The quote I gave was from a very experienced horse vet who had witnessed the improvements first hand.
Didn't the scientific community insist the world was flat once? Guess they got that wrong
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Correct me if I'm wrong but placebo effect only works if the person being treated believes it works.
Now I may be stupid but I cansay with reasonable certainty that horses DONT know they are wearing magnetic boots / rugs etc so therefor there isn't a placebo effect.

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Personally, I'm open-minded on the issue of magnets but I think it is perfectly valid for people to want to question Tempi's findings and see if there could be another reason the horse's behaviour has changed.
 
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What I think is a shame that people cant express an opinion without being rude!

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I don't know quite who this is aimed at. I expressed my opinion politely and got called smug in return...
My point was that something may work but if you cannot explain how it works (and even the people who manufacture these things answer such queries with vague pseudo-science) the surely it is reasonable to suggest that it is having a placebo effect, albeit indirectly from the owner...
 
I am glad you think it is working for you, but you may find it is your attitude to the horse that is different, horses are very perspective to a riders mood, there is absolutely no way that your horse is going to change from never napping, bucking etc just because he has got a magnet on!! I think you will find this is very shortlived, your horse will start playing up again unless you become the leader in his mind. Sorry to sound pessimistic but i am right.
 
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The justification is.......muppets are willing to pay.

Pure and simple.

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well this 'muppet' as you have so politly called me was willing to pay. Its my money i can do what the hell i want with it.

I stepped away from this post as as usual people were personally attacking me, but im fed up of all this crap that i get from certain members.

Hes my horse, i can do what i bl00dy want with him. I was simply posting a report about what had happened, numerous people asked me how i got on with it so i wanted to reply to be HELPFUL - thats what the forum is about, not lodging personal attacks on people.
 
its not meant to stop napping or bucking, its meant to help calm them down which it has done with my horse.

I am not an idiot, my horse knows he cant get away with anything. I never get off him or let him win in any situation. I just bought this to help him to calm HIMSELF as he gets nervous in different situations.
 
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