Magnetic Therapy

Does anyone else feel that this thread has a forcefield of attraction?

No? Do you think it polarises people?
 
foraday said:
The other horse got cushings related laminitis in one hoof-treatments on both legs cured his lami and also prevented any lamanae separation and kept his good foot good as obviously was compensating on that foot.
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And I know a horse that had cushings related laminitis treated with magnetic therapy for 6 months until the vet was called. It was crippled lame on one foot, had >20degrees of rotation and was about 1mm away from solar penetration. After 4 weeks of anti-inflammatories, pergolide and proper foot care it was sound without painkillers. Anecdotes prove nothing.
 
alsiola said:
And I know a horse that had cushings related laminitis treated with magnetic therapy for 6 months until the vet was called. It was crippled lame on one foot, had >20degrees of rotation and was about 1mm away from solar penetration. After 4 weeks of anti-inflammatories, pergolide and proper foot care it was sound without painkillers. Anecdotes prove nothing.
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How do you know that the horse described wasnt being treated by a vet with the magnets as an adjunct ?
Most folks who use alternative therapies use them along with good veterinary and farrier care.
 
Oh we're going strong with the anecdotes this morning aren't we folks? :D

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still no data :D
 
marydoll said:
What did the surgeons say about the healing process, are you normally a good healer ? I love my magnets as well but never heard of them used to aid healing a fracture.
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Have a quick look on Google Scholar - there are a fair few double-blind studies into the effects of pulsed magnetic field therapy on a variety of issues, including fracture healing. Some studies found no differences between control groups and treatment groups, but most (I've looked through quite a few of them) seem to find an additional effect above conservative treatment.
 
Calcyle said:
Have a quick look on Google Scholar - there are a fair few double-blind studies into the effects of pulsed magnetic field therapy on a variety of issues, including fracture healing. Some studies found no differences between control groups and treatment groups, but most (I've looked through quite a few of them) seem to find an additional effect above conservative treatment.
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Thanks for this, toddles off to do some reading
 
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marydoll said:
Where have you been, your late to the table today ? :D
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Bathing the unicorn, competing tomorrow! Then had to pop to the tack shop to stock up on magic fairy dust as you won't let me use yours any more :( :mad:

Then went hunting for some bees to dry, crush, dissolve in alcohol, then throw away before filling a glass with water and marketing it as a homoepathic remedy :rolleyes: Anyone for Apis mel?
 
rhino said:
Bathing the unicorn, competing tomorrow! Then had to pop to the tack shop to stock up on magic fairy dust as you won't let me use yours any more :( :mad:

Then went hunting for some bees to dry, crush, dissolve in alcohol, then throw away before filling a glass with water and marketing it as a homoepathic remedy :rolleyes: Anyone for Apis mel?
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Do i hear a hint of sarcasm in there somewhere :p
In conjunction with good vet and farrier treatment magnets do have good anecdotal results ..... Runs and hides behind the couch, awaiting a skelp on the back of the head with a pot of fairy dust :D
 
RubysGold said:
Can we have photos of your unicorn :p :D
Lol at the homeopathy! Could make a fortune
Whats apis mel though
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Apis mel is a homeopathic 'treatment' made, as I said, of whole crushed bees dissolved in alcohol :mad: Only when you look at the dilutions stated in homeopathy it is virtually impossible for them to actually contain any molecules of active ingredient, unless Avogadro's law somehow doesn't apply to homeopathy :rolleyes:

It's a few steps away from slaughtering rhinos for their horns IMO :(

Natural?
Ethical?
 
rhino said:
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Apis mel is a homeopathic 'treatment' made, as I said, of whole crushed bees dissolved in alcohol :mad: Only when you look at the dilutions stated in homeopathy it is virtually impossible for them to actually contain any molecules of active ingredient, unless Avogadro's law somehow doesn't apply to homeopathy :rolleyes:

It's a few steps away from slaughtering rhinos for their horns IMO :(

Natural?
Ethical?
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Ooh nice horn, :D but on a more serious note, i personally i wouldnt use any part of an endangered species for treating anything, be it Rhino or unicorn, its a bit of a stretch to accuse anyone who would use homeopathy as someone who would .
 
rhino said:
Apis mel is a homeopathic 'treatment' made, as I said, of whole crushed bees dissolved in alcohol :mad: Only when you look at the dilutions stated in homeopathy it is virtually impossible for them to actually contain any molecules of active ingredient, unless Avogadro's law somehow doesn't apply to homeopathy :rolleyes:
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Given the enormous amount of dilutions in homeopathy, the world's entire suppy of Apis mel could in theory be supplied by a single bee. Still, I don't like the idea of crushing living creatures just to make placebo-water.
 
marydoll said:
Ooh nice horn, :D but on a more serious note, i personally i wouldnt use any part of an endangered species for treating anything, be it Rhino or unicorn, its a bit of a stretch to accuse anyone who would use homeopathy as someone who would .
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There are currently 8 species of bee in Britain alone who are classed as either endangered or under threat :( I haven't found where the homeopathy companies in the UK source their bees from, despite asking several times :D

Sorry if it sounded like an accusation but it is honestly my opinion. For something with absolutely zero proof of efficacy I don't see how it can be defended :(

fburton said:
Given the enormous amount of dilutions in homeopathy, the world's entire suppy of Apis mel could in theory be supplied by a single bee. Still, I don't like the idea of crushing living creatures just to make placebo-water.
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Nope, me neither :cool: Just don't start thinking what else that glass of water you are drinking has been in contact with in the last few million years. Some memories you really don't want it to have :D :D
 
rhino said:
There are currently 8 species of bee in Britain alone who are classed as either endangered or under threat :( I haven't found where the homeopathy companies in the UK source their bees from, despite asking several times :D

Sorry if it sounded like an accusation but it is honestly my opinion. For something with absolutely zero proof of efficacy I don't see how it can be defended :(



Nope, me neither :cool: Just don't start thinking what else that glass of water you are drinking has been in contact with in the last few million years. Some memories you really don't want it to have :D :D
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I dont like the idea of crushing bees either, but then ive never used apis mel, and having read this wont use it in future,i would be interested to find what bees are being used as well as i could never support the use of them in this manner.
That said however personally i wouldnt discount the whole of homeopathy due to one factor i disagree with, i do use other items and will continue to use the ones i feel are ethical and give me results.
 
marydoll said:
That said however personally i wouldnt discount the whole of homeopathy due to one factor i disagree with, i do use other items and will continue to use the ones i feel are ethical and give me results.
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Fab :) Not got an issue with that, at all. We all do what we think is best for our ponies (or unicorns) :D

I will let you know if I find out about the bees :)
 
RubysGold said:
Is rescue remedy a homeopathic thing?
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It has brandy in it :D So one ingredient with proven efficacy.

It doesn't conform with the precepts of homeopathy (particularly succussion, law of similars, enhancing effect by repeated dilution) and it does contain some active ingredient (although again all tests have shown no efficacy above placebo). They are also all made from non-toxic substances, unlike homeopathy.

There seems to be some disagreement as to whether it is homeopathic or herbal. Though going by homeopathy's own principles even the homeopathic tablets on sale are not homeopathy... So nice to change your own 'laws' to suit :D
 
I do like rescue remedy, but in truth id probably like a big half of brandy instead if i could get it before stressage :o
Rhino, please Pm me if you do find out anything about the bees :)
 
Haha I use it a fair bit and it really does help me :)
From what homeopathy is meant to be, it doesn't sound like rescue remedy should be classed as homeopathy
Is all this talk of homeopathy making your blood boil? :D lol
 
marydoll said:
I do like rescue remedy, but in truth id probably like a big half of brandy instead if i could get it before stressage :o
Rhino, please Pm me if you do find out anything about the bees :)
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Yep, the brandy would definitely have an effect :D Will let you know if I hear anything!

RubysGold said:
Is all this talk of homeopathy making your blood boil? :D lol
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:D :D No, not really. I find it interesting; it was one of many 'alternative' things that was suggested when my mum had terminal cancer and there was nothing that conventional medicine could offer any more, apart from palliative pain control. Even at school I managed to get summer work in a Universtity lab studying the chemicals in herbal and aromatherapy oils :)
 
marydoll said:
How do you know that the horse described wasnt being treated by a vet with the magnets as an adjunct ?
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That was the history I was given by the owner, who I have no reason to believe was being dishonest.

The point of my reply wasn't to say magnets do or don't have an effect on laminitis, but to show that when all we are doing is trading stories then no conclusions can be drawn. When we get down to trading evidence it is pretty clear that magnets have no beneficial effect.
 
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