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If I suspected that my dog had mange (he has been seen by a vet) what could I treat it with without perscription? I'm keen to treat him just in case.

It's a long story, which has been going on for a year, but my poor JRT has made his legs and feet really sore from licking, but the vets just perscribe steriods and antihistimines.

I've just ordered some camrosa ointment as well... do you have any experences of that?

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
air78 said:
If I suspected that my dog had mange (he has been seen by a vet) what could I treat it with without perscription? I'm keen to treat him just in case.

It's a long story, which has been going on for a year, but my poor JRT has made his legs and feet really sore from licking, but the vets just perscribe steriods and antihistimines.

I've just ordered some camrosa ointment as well... do you have any experences of that?

Thanks in advance for any help.
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Ivermectin is usually the preferred treatment for mange in non herding breeds. Ask your vet why it hasn't been tried.
 
The very best treatment is PROMERIS spot on twice monthly,it contains Amitraz,as Aludex washes do. having a Yorke test done for allergies might be a good idea (if the dog is insured) as foot licking is very often an allergy symptom. Promeris would need ordering in by your vet.
 
With mange after a year I would think he would be bald as a cute and red raw (esp if sarcoptic) (sp):D

The best treatment for mange imo is aludex and strong hold spot ons (as the strong hold has ivermectin in them)
I have treat my fair share of rescue lurchers with mange and depending on infection have had to use antibiotics along side the aludex.
Obs you have to take car when bathing them in the aludex as its pretty potent.
Have the vets done any blood tests/skin scrapes or are tey thinking more allergy? it does sound more allergy.

The ear scratch test is usally a good one stratch the tip of the ear and she if he raises his hind leg to scratch.

Demodex is less severe than sarcoptic, but still for that period of time you would think he would have more signs that just the legs being affected.
 
Thanks for your replies :) The vet thinks it's allergies, and has said that allergy testing is mostly inconslusive in dogs, so a waste of time and money??? If I though we'd get an answer I happily have it done. Has anyone gone down that route?

We live surrounded by wood land and arable, so if it is an external allergy like grass pollen or pesticides, that would be terrible for him and us :(

If I thought it could be a food allergy, what would be a good diet to try?

I'm going to ask the vet for some stronghold, as we usually use front line. I was thinking about trying ivermectin drops, but they aren't licenced for dogs... I get them for the chickens, but they can be used on rabbits etc as well. I'm paranoid he's got some kind of mites/ mange now!!! :(
 
If it was mange after a year he would be totally bald and red raw everywhere!

I think its probably an allergy. Licking paws is a CLASSIC sign of an allergy.

Workup panels do work. Have one done.

What are you currently feeding him?
 
If you wanted to rule out an allergen in the local environment you could send him to stay with a friend / relative / boarding kennel in a different part of the country for a couple of weeks and see if the irritation lessens. Have you looked at his diet too?

Personally speaking I don't like to use antihistamines or steroids in this situation. I feel that the immune system over reacts to a "threat" when it is at a low ebb and suppressing the immune system may help reduce the symptoms but rarely helps the root cause. I prefer to use something like echinacea to boost the immune system so there is no need for an over reaction. I have successfully used this strategy on myself (for a horse allergy), on my OH (for hayfever and eczema), on my dog (for a grass pollen allergy) and on one of the horses for an allergy or intolerance that we never got to the bottom of....
 
Honestly, with an attitude like that, I'd change vets or at least seek a second opinion, I did, and now travel 40 miles to an amazing vet who basically got on top of my dog's issues after the first couple of consultations. My old vet trotted out that line 'it could be anything' - yes, it could, but at least let's see if we can treat it at source instead of throw drugs at it when it gets really bad.

It could be grass/tree pollen (which is a trigger for my dog, pain in the ass, I live in the middle of forestry and sheep grazing, as well as being 'hot blooded', protein sensitive) a carpet, bedding, household product/cleaner/air freshener (especially anything containing pine fragrance or ingredients), smoke etc or allergy to a parasite. Full allergy work-ups are pricey so start eliminating things - remove a bed, keep dog in a laminated area for a few days or weeks, send him to a friend or a boarding kennel for a week (I say this as my dog totally cleared up after a fortnight in boarding kennels - no conifers!!!) that sort of thing.

My dog is now managed with four piriton a day and a low protein diet with a few raw days and Malaseb baths a couple of times a week if need be.
He last had a relapse at Christmas time but has been brilliant since he cleared up fully in February.

Food wise, I'd cut out wheat from the diet to start and even go raw/home cooked or as grain-free a diet as you can.
Maesfen on here recommended a block of sulphur in the water too, which she uses for an itchy terrier. Aloe vera gel, the pure stuff, can also take the heat out of the itchy bits.

Good luck!
 
Ok, I'll stop worrying about the mange then :p

I'll ask my parents (oap's) if he can maybe go and stay with them for a while... don't know how they'll feel about having a basset hound sized, fog horn voiced, hyperactive Jack russel in the house though :D

He get the Wagg sensitive tummy food, is this any good? I started getting it as it had an almost identical nutritional profile to the burns duck and rice stuff. What would you all reccomend/ what would I feed on the raw diet?

Thanks again.
 
air78 said:
He get the Wagg sensitive tummy food, is this any good? I started getting it as it had an almost identical nutritional profile to the burns duck and rice stuff. What would you all reccomend/ what would I feed on the raw diet?

Thanks again.
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No its not any good! Sorry.

The first thing i would do is switch that.
Try fish4dogs, orijen or ACANA.
They are both fairly expensive but worth it if thats what his issue is.
 
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air78 said:
Ok, I'll stop worrying about the mange then :p

I'll ask my parents (oap's) if he can maybe go and stay with them for a while... don't know how they'll feel about having a basset hound sized, fog horn voiced, hyperactive Jack russel in the house though :D

He get the Wagg sensitive tummy food, is this any good? I started getting it as it had an almost identical nutritional profile to the burns duck and rice stuff. What would you all reccomend/ what would I feed on the raw diet?

Thanks again.
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Wagg sensitive;-
Maize, Meat Meal, Rice (min 5%), Porridge Oats (min 5%), Chicken Meat Meal (min 5%), Beet Pulp, Digest, Poultry Fat, Linseed, Vitamins & Minerals, Yeast (0.1%), Citrus Extract (0.04%), Yucca Extract (0.01%).

Vitamin A (E672) 12,000 iu, Vitamin D3 (E671) 1,200 iu, Vitamin E (E307) 90 mg, Vitamin C (ascorbyl monophosphate) 40 mg, E1 Iron (iron III ferric oxide) 1200mg, E2 Iodine (calcium iodate) 2 mg, E4 Copper (cupric sulphate pentahydrate) 10 mg, E5 Manganese (manganous oxide) 50 mg, E6 Zinc (zinc oxide) 40 mg, E6 Zinc (zinc chelate) 60 mg, E8 Selenium (sodium selenite) 0.1 mg, Antioxidant, Preservative.

Protein 20%, Fat Content 9%, Crude Fibre 3%, Crude Ash 8.5%, Omega 6, 1.9%, Omega 3, 0.4%.
Burns duck & rice;-
Brown Rice (min 65%), Duck meat meal (min 20%), Oats, Peas, Duck fat, Sunflower Oil, Seaweed, Minerals & Vitamins
Typical Analysis:

Protein 18.5%, Oil 8.0%, Fibre 2.2%, Ash 7.0%, Vitamin A 8000 iu/kg, Vitamin D 1500 iu/kg, Vitamin E 50 iu/kg, Moisture 8%, Copper 15mg/kg, Sodium 0.13%, Calcium 1.15%, Phosphorus 0.65%, Magnesium 0.10%

Nothing in common!
 
Burns, Skinners, fish4 dogs would be worth trying. Avoid wheat or maize and chicken sets of a lot of teriers itchies.
I see a lot of dogs with skin problems and about 50% of the time it can be sorted by changing their food. Some have contact allergies which can be to cleaners, washing powder, plants etc.


I have a mastiff here at the moment that was on steroids until her first stay here - changing her to a gluten free diet and getting the owners to invest in a steamer for their home has meant no more scratching.
She has Skinners duck & rice with added sardines out of a tin when she starts getting bored.
 
S4sugar... I read the nutritional profile, and thought that as the Wagg was higher protien, oil, fibre and some vits at a lower price it was a comparable product in some respects, even though the ingredients differ??? Would you please explain you comment further/ do you really rate the burns products?

Katie Lou, thanks for your helpful suggestions; my local feed shop stocks the fish product, so I think I'll give that a go.

ETA sorry S4 sugar, I think we've just cross posted; I'm just reading you suggestions now.
 
The answer is YES..a bull terrier with awful swollen and oozing legs,itchy like mad.It was PTS..OR the Yorke Test for allergens.The result was she could only have fish or turkey protein,eggs were ok,brown bread or pasta,house dust mites registered ..so lots of RIP spraying went on. Eighteen months later she is fine and healthy with lots of energy.
PROMERIS spot on fortnightly is much more convenient than Aludex baths..the same chemical but an easier and IMO more efficient route.

Yorke tests are much more comprehensive than the others..but yes,they do give you the answer.
 
air78 said:
S4sugar... I read the nutritional profile, and thought that as the Wagg was higher protien, oil, fibre and some vits at a lower price it was a comparable product in some respects, even though the ingredients differ??? Would you please explain you comment further/ do you really rate the burns products?

Katie Lou, thanks for your helpful suggestions; my local feed shop stocks the fish product, so I think I'll give that a go.

ETA sorry S4 sugar, I think we've just cross posted; I'm just reading you suggestions now.
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Wagg is cheap..£7.00 a sack at Morrison`s this week..that tells you it all really.Why feed dry when raw is so much better anyway?
 
I would not put any weight on nutritional analysis, you can get similar readings from shoe leather, engine oil and sawdust, I'm not joking!!!

Burns is one of the worst offenders at poor description of their product, for instance their Chicken and Maize is VERY misleading and would not be allowed if it was for human's its actually around 70% Maize and I would not feed a horse that!!

Going onto rice is just postponing the problem and rice can harbour all sorts of problems of it's own especially white rice and depending on its source it can be contaminated, many dogs died a few years ago of a contamination from rice sourced in China on that occasion, but presumably it was cheap!!!

Dogs don't actually need any of these complex carbs, they are a cheap bulk to keep the feed affordable. Also plant proteins are inferior to meat protein as far as a dog is concerned which can lead to deficiencies as well.

A good raw diet involves the feeding of human grade raw meaty bones and offal basically and optional small amounts of fresh veg an additive, preservative and complex carb free diet. A variety of meats are fed, principally chicken, with some lamb, fish, eggs, some pork and occasional beef, and or game and offal. The diet is cheap to source and easy to feed and the majority would be a rough ratio of around 80% soft bone and 20% meat - what you find on chicken wings, carcasses and boned out lamb ribs, this is ideal for weight maintenance.

The feeding is designed to provide variety and balances over a much more natural 1-2 weeks instead of at every meal, the benefits are huge in that the stools are much more firm and less odourful, the anal gland is naturally emptied, the teeth are cleaned and the dog itself shows signs of vitality and well being not always seen using cooked foods and because bone is a dogs natural fibre they are full and satisfied.

If you do want to consider this option I can send you a diet sheet.
 
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