Mare is officially retired, down to 3 stallions, opinions?

by his record i would think he must be pretty tough as the level he is at demands a seriously well put together athlete! Dont think all stallions suit every mare and its good to have a diversity of stallion, and of mind esp in eventing terms, think all event breeders are subjective and good job too!!
 
stolensilver said:
I won't argue with the record of event breeding in the UK and Ireland but I do question your eye for a horse. I don't want to be confrontational but what you are saying you can see simply is not there.
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I would question your eye for a horse if you cant see his obvious faults!
 
This is my last post as I don't want this thread to deteriorate into a slanging match. I just wanted to say that your opinion of Axis is only held by you. The inspectors loved him, the German breeders love him and his competition record shouts loudly that he has good and sound conformation.

You don't like him? That's fine. I just hope other people reading this thread are able to evaluate Axis for themselves and are not swayed by your posts. A horse with the conformations defects that you list (that Axis does NOT have) would not have got to Grand Prix dressage without breaking down. What is really sad is that Axis is owned by a British breeder. How sad that a British stallion is being shredded on a British board.
 
sorry madH but what about this onehttp://www.ranbyhall.com/stravinsky.html plenty of blood and a dressage horse too!!! its a minefield with mares and stallions isnt it so hard to know what to do, no horse is perfect and people see very different things in stallions not an easy task for you, very best of luck!! let us know who you choose for your lovely mare
 
I'd definitely recommend looking up Stravinsky's jumping and dressage indexes with the KWPN before using him. They are illuminating. He's passed on now anyway, not sure if frozen is available?

And that really is my last post on this thread. :-)
 
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stolensilver said:
I just hope other people reading this thread are able to evaluate Axis for themselves and are not swayed by your posts. .
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No worries on that score!! As already stated the horse has stayed sound at GP level that speaks for itself. The strains put on the limbs/muscles are just as vigerous & if he did have a weakness in his pasterns it would have shown by now along with any weakness in the top line. Made interesting reading these posts.
 
stolensilver said:
This is my last post as I don't want this thread to deteriorate into a slanging match. I just wanted to say that your opinion of Axis is only held by you. The inspectors loved him, the German breeders love him and his competition record shouts loudly that he has good and sound conformation.

You don't like him? That's fine. I just hope other people reading this thread are able to evaluate Axis for themselves and are not swayed by your posts. A horse with the conformations defects that you list (that Axis does NOT have) would not have got to Grand Prix dressage without breaking down. What is really sad is that Axis is owned by a British breeder. How sad that a British stallion is being shredded on a British board.
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People should be able to make their own educated decisions when it comes to assessing stallions; and I am certainly not the 'only' one who can see the most obvious things about axis- as said before, otherwise, he would have been a more popular stallion in this country especially among event breeders:)
And I certainly have nothing against British stallions having bought plenty of horses bred by british studs, there is nothing wrong with a healthy , critical discussion about them . If we weren't critical, people would be breeding a whole heap of rubbish horses.

Breeding for eventing IS a different ball game than breeding for dressage or showjumping,to use a stallion with correct limbs is critical.
 
Clodagh said:
Just to not help at all when I was choosing a stallion for my mare my vet said as shes a cross breed you never know what genes are going to pop up, so go for a closed stud book, which for me meant tb.
Sorry....runs and hides!!
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Well CB's and Shagya Arabs both have closed stud books. According to the foundation stud in Babolna, Milton, RatinaZ, Corso and Rembrandt all have Shayga blood lines.

As you all know I am totally committed to the CB power, strength, stamina, bone and fantastic temperament.
 
seabiscuit said:
I am not even going to bother to answer that question stolensilver, because british event breeders know exactly what they are doing when it comes to breeding the very best event horses in the world:)
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No they don't!!!
The amount of **** being put to **** is unbelieveable.

Your sentance would read better with the insertion of 'SOME' before british event breeders, because some are certainly well up on breeding. Others are light years behind.
 
seabiscuit said:
and I am certainly not the 'only' one who can see the most obvious things about axis- as said before, otherwise, he would have been a more popular stallion in this country especially among event breeders:)
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That is very bizare logic. The stallion stands in Germany, is not advertised over here unless you know to look on the owners website, is not standing at a stud that advertises in the UK.

There are some fantastic eventing stallions that get over looked all the time. Take Laurel - ever heard of him - no I doubt it. Stands at one of the Southern German state studs, even the Germans didnt really know he was there, until he turned up at a stallion show one year and everyone suddenly realised here was an entire son of Stan the Man, who is one of the leading sires of eventers if BE lists are anything to go by. Add to that his scope and great canter and here is a really viable eventing stallion that almost know one has heard of. Does that make him a bad stallion, no, it makes him a badly marketed one.

There are conversely some very popular eventing sires in the UK who have both conformation and temperment defects. Just because they are popular does not mean they are good, it just means they are popular. Some breeders might get away with it and take just the good aspects of the stallion, lose the negative ones and breed themselves a winner. Some breeders will find their foal inherits the worst aspects and they have a piggy dud with **** legs.
 
“So why not take a chance on a young and incredibly promising stallion if he suits” - because that’s probably not how British breeding is going to progress. It’s not the responsibility of mare owners in this country to use their mare uteruses as test beds for unproven stallions.

“I would go with the horse that you feel best suits your mare and not one just use one because of X successes” – it is actually possible to combine both you know. Why would you use a stallion that has had no successes in sport or breeding?

“Here is a piece of video of Graf at the expo. The first few frames are enough to confirm that Graf DOES have a twisted foot” – eeerrrrrrrrrr Jamesmeade, that looks to me like sand stuck on the hoof oil on the inside of his hoof. If he had a foot like that he wouldn’t able to walk let alone win at PSG.
 
James Mead and Event Rider 23: One day you will have to realise that just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them Ken Rehill and it does not make them wrong.

I find it amazing that you cannot believe anyone else on this forum should have an opinion that does not exactly align with your own, and trying to denigrate their opinions by calling them/us "Ken Rehill trolls" is frankly childish, not to mention personal and aggressive. ou are not the onl ones allowed to have a say.

You recommend stallions and people all the time - why is it ok for you to do this, but anyone who believes in what Ken does or likes the stallions he represents should be vilified and called childish names? I think you need to step out of the playground.
 
Harriet not wanting to get into an argument, but the other two posters are not saying that others opinion are wrong or even asking for more information on the stallions that they/you are recommending, i think you will find if you re-read some of your posts that they come across as questioning others opinions and recommendations not the other way round. The OP is the final one to make the decision as it is her mare, we can all however give OUR OWN opinion without questioning others;).
 
Not wanting to hijack post, but I would love to see a photo of your 2 yr old by Jigilo, Jamala. Our mare is in foal to him, due in June - can't wait - and we chose him for a number of reasons but largely because we thought he would suit our mare.
 
harrietltb said:
James Mead and Event Rider 23: One day you will have to realise that just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them Ken Rehill and it does not make them wrong.

I find it amazing that you cannot believe anyone else on this forum should have an opinion that does not exactly align with your own, and trying to denigrate their opinions by calling them/us "Ken Rehill trolls" is frankly childish, not to mention personal and aggressive. ou are not the onl ones allowed to have a say.

You recommend stallions and people all the time - why is it ok for you to do this, but anyone who believes in what Ken does or likes the stallions he represents should be vilified and called childish names? I think you need to step out of the playground.
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Harrietltb - no on e is saying you are not entitle to an opinion. My arguement is that, prior today I have never conversed nor even really knew of your existence on this forum....yet today I am met with a barrage of questions from you demanding to know if I work ad Brendons and stating I only promote their stallions yadda yadda yadda. THOSE comments IMO are childish and aggressive.....your writing style is very similar to those on here who could have been termed 'trolls' and as such it is an easy mistake to make to believe you are one...if you arenot then I do apologise...however as I, and the ownersof Brendons have stated....I am not now and never have been, an employee. As such I am simply a satisified customer.

The same could be said for yourself that you are a satisfied customer of Ken's, hence your own pluggin of his stallion's...something you are more than entitled to do! I have in no way called you any childish names, merely defended myself when accused. You insist on stats and firgures....I have given you those that I have to my knowledge. Not being the stallion owner, those are what I have to memory. Simsar has done the same(as did I) and gave you stats on Primo Pageant. Instead now you are playing the victim.

This forum used to be a lovely place....people could come on and ask for advice and have it freely given...with them then just needing to goaway and do further research or themselves as the the stallions/inormation suggested...now they have to justify themselves to the likes of you, who yourself has yet to give any answers as to your own history and background as I believe you have been asked in a separate post what your own experiences are in breeding and indeed what stallions you have used and what qualiies you as being an expert as you seem to be demanding so much information yourself off of others!!
 
Christobal might not yet be proven but he is stunning and has a lot of potential to produce a lovely foal with your mare. I would go with him out of the choice of three. ;)
 
Out of the 3 you've chosen I think Cristobal compliments your mare the best conformation wise, he's not a bad looking horse at all, even though he's got no offspring on the ground yet I'd gamble on him out of those 3 boys.
 
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