Marestare - Mare looks like she is in labour (?)

I even found after the birth hard to watch, the mare was getting increasingly agitated everytime she came into the stable, she was pacing round her and tried a few times to get between the foal and her. When they tied the poor girl up was sad while mum was getting so stressed.

Steph said on the Marestare forum that she had internet issues and the cam might end up going down during the night, the cynic in me wasn't quite sure about that being true.

Before the cam went at 3am the foal was down again and just not moving at all and still hadn't suckled.
 
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Maesfen said:
It makes interesting reading too! Suffice to say I won't watch another foaling from Elements, they're a disaster area, their poor mares.
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I'm considering joining that forum! It seems you can talk about what you want without button pushers, although everyone does seem a bit scary on there :p
 
How can I watch the cams on Mare Stare, when I click on the links I can see the video screen but nothing plays. Just a header screen shows.

Do I need to install some S/W?

Many thanks
Sadiemay
 
I have to say I watched the last foaling at elements and thought that the woman was way too in the mare's face. She came in and mucked out and then proceeded to wash down all the walls. The foal was still on the ground!

I have heard of imprinting but that is rediculous!
 
Wonders if we will ever find out what happend to the poor foal last night? from what I can make out, that was posted on the other forum, the foal wasn't thriving, and hadn't had its first drink after 4 hrs, and the mare hadn't passed the afterbirth, camera's was shut down, because of what was being said on forum,
 
I stopped watching before the birth, having read a varity of the information online. I don't know how much is true about thefts and things, but when people on studs whom opinions I respect say she's not 'helping' with the foaling and is causing welfare problems, and that every video on youtube and other source confirms that's the norm for her with birthing mares, that was enough for me. However I'm looking forward to watching a live birth in full soon, so keep posting the links people! Or is there a way of searching for high barn alerts on their website?
 
I watched the whole thing. Birth in a large animal is always 'brutal' . I well remember owning an in calf jersey cow, having sucessfully dealt with numerous goat births, several of which they insisted on having there babies on my lap. The minute I saw the sheer size of the calfs feet emerging I phoned the local farmer, in the middle of the night!!! Bless him, he attended within 10 minutes. All was well but I couldn't get to grips with the sheer enormity of it all.

I do realise that on a stud farm they are used to horses foaling. I wasn't sure about the pulling as best left to nature, having said that we were'nt THERE and we can only do what we feel best at the time.

I do know that if it was my mare I would be there, unless she showed clearly she wanted to be on her own. Three years ago I helped my bitch whelp a litter of labradors puppies. If for one moment I thought she wanted to be on her own I would have left her to it, albeit closely monitered.

Hope both are well.

Haven't read all of the posts.
 
Hilariously, the cam was apparently shut down due to 'asinine' comments on a (not HHO) forum!

ETA Their own forum at Elements is defending the foaling procedures and that thread is 123 pages long...
 
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I feel quite sorry for the woman that runs elements. quite shocked actually to some's responses and abuse here and on other forums. she obviously had to intervene as was rather a large foal and quite a little mare..I too would have helped if the need had arisen. I am sure she doid what she felt was right for her mare and her foal.
 
I watched it and was gob smacked - it made me so angry - it was a perfect example of what NOT to do - I am seriously worried that so many people CAN'T see what she has done wrong - doesn't bode well for horses - or any living domestic animal for that matter!!!!!

Foaling a horse is VERY different from calving a cow or delivering puppies/kittens etc - the only similarity is they are all mammals and that's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:O

This poor mare showed every sign that she was stressed out, this awful lady was far to rough and jumped in with no idea what she was doing at all and interfered to the point that I'm surprised the foal didn't die or that the mare rejected it - I was hoping the mare would go for her and teach her a lesson!!
The mare had been in labour for 2 days and was never allowed some peace and quiet to get on with it, not constantly being pooper scooped/mucked out/turned out/poked/prodded and in a busy barn!! Horses are lucky in that they can postpone foaling if they feel threatened, which this mare did, but can't do it indefinitely without risking loosing the foal - this womans horses all seem on edge and reluctant to foal - now I can see why!!!

There is nothing wrong with monitoring a mare foaling - I've watched all of mine - BUT from a discreet distance, making no noise and only going into the stable/or if outside from a good 30ft away if the mare is one I know very well and monitor her reactions, to check the presentation when the mare is down/bag off nose/mouth clear and free from cleft palate at the same time and then leave well alone to watch and keep time - 9 out of 10 times the mares don't need help and stay down for upto half an hour just chilling with foals back legs still in the mare and umbilical cord attached absorbing all the placental blood and chatting to mum, then there is that small window when mare and foal bond which is VERY important to both and if screwed up will have lasting affects. Not gung-ho like this idiot who was pulling all over the place and in all the wrong directions and against the mares contractions - how the mare is not torn I don't know!!! And she was all over it to see what cool markings it had and wether it was a colt or filly with no regard for wether it was OK! - shocking!!!

She may have lots of mares foaling and have seen lots born but it is VERY obvious she has learnt NOTHING at all from those experiences!! - she can't even get the basics right - I wouldn't want her near any of my animals let a lone a horse!!!
It always amazes me when people use the excuse 'I've had horses for X number of years therefore I know everything and I've always got away with it before...' - they soon show themselves up and in this case all over the internet, but it's usually the animals that pay the price for incompetence!!!!
She should be banned from owning anything with a pulse!!!:(
 
I agree.

And I did not see this foaling, I saw her continuously pester, and the mare hold on however I did see a previous foaling and she was just the same.
I am no expert but I could see her continuous pulling must be wrong, she cared nothing for disintfectant. I too anyone who viewed could not see and yes it does not bode well for horse or any living domestic animal.

Experiance does not always equate with expertise this is a prime example.
 
Was just going to post that the web cam was back on, mare and foal looking a lot happier now,even if foal is still a bit wobberly, hope this good news continues.
 
OK so I've only been involved with about a dozen or so foalings/new born foals and none move like Captain does at 24 hrs old. What is going on?
 
The vet just left, and Captain got a thorough going-over! His IgG was low, as we expected, so he got a bag of plasma into him. He also got some antibiotics and vitamins. Last, but not least, he got a tet. shot for the tight tendon in his back foot and the vet made him a little splint to wear

this was just posted on the facebook page!
 
Its not a Tetnus shot Perissa, is is another drug that begins with Tet that helps loosen tendons - It's on the marestare message board. I thought the same!
 
The web cam was taken off because too many people on hear criticize and are very rude!! This mare was scanned and it was found that the foal was not presented in a good position for birth. This is the reason they were so keen to be there and HELP the mare and foal. Her vet is on line watching all births and she DOES know what she is doing.
If you don't agree with her methods then don't Bloody watch.
 
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The web cam was taken off because too many people on hear criticize and are very rude!! This mare was scanned and it was found that the foal was not presented in a good position for birth. This is the reason they were so keen to be there and HELP the mare and foal. Her vet is on line watching all births and she DOES know what she is doing.
If you don't agree with her methods then don't Bloody watch.
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You are talking rot! This woman is an absolute menace - I have seen two mares foal at her yard now and both were harassed so much the mares were stressed beyon belief. I cannot believe you are sticking up for this idiot. She has poked and prodded both mare and foal when they needed to be left alone I was surprised she wasn't attacked by the mare! There is absolutely no reason for her to be mucking out and wiping down walls when the mare still has the afterbirth hanging from her behind!
 
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