Princess16
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Aww he's Gawjuss 
he's one lucky boy as are you to have him!
he's one lucky boy as are you to have him!
Meat colts - the true cost of rescuing them (a diary)
- Thread starter Fides
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Princess16
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Why do you say that? If people like OP didn't rescue these poor horses what would happen to them? Not sure what you mean?
_GG_
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It fuels the cycle. Every time someone pays to "rescue" a horse, all that's happening is the people who are breeding all these "unwanted" horses and ponies get the message that the demand is there. Where Jo Public gives a demand for something, others will fill that demand.
In short...if people stop "rescuing" these horses, their production will slow down. It'll probably never stop, but the hype and the drama around headlines on social media and the like saying that horses need to go due to loss of grazing/will go to the meatman ect. are almost all a ploy. It's a well oiled sales tactic and nobody is rescuing anything per say...just buying a very low cost horse.
If people want to rescue horses, go to the charities and re-home one. That's how to help the welfare crisis. Buying horses like this is actually making the whole welfare crisis worse. Yes, people like the OP are making the life of that one horse or two better, but by doing so, are creating more and more lives for more and more horses that may well not be so lucky. Why? Because people like the OP know what to do with a £50 horse. Many people who pay that for a horse don't have a clue or worse...buy them, rush them, sell them in to the dealers cycle or, get bored, "rescue" too many etc. and end up neglecting them through lack of care or resources.
I don't condemn people like the OP and this isn't an attack on her. However, to answer your question, if the OP didn't "rescue" these poor horses, they would end up with the meat man...given a very swift end to life and the majority of them (because not all sold will go to good homes like the OP's) from a very uncertain and often bl00dy awful future. On top of that, if people like the OP didn't buy them, the demand would decrease and in line, so would the production.
Stop adding fuel to a fire and it will eventually burn out. Every time a well meaning person buys a horse like this, it's adding fuel to the fire of the welfare crisis...making things worse for other horses, not better.
Princess16
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Explained perfectly thanks. And yes put like that totally agree with you. I was seeing it as just giving a poor horse a good home and brighter future sop that I am��
_GG_
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It's good to be a sop and I hate myself when I type out things like that because the vast majority of people who buy these horses only mean to do good and I would never want to criticise that. I just wish there was more education available to make sure everybody knows the realities and not just those of us who have seen it directly. xx
Rose Folly
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You are a star and I hope it works out well for you. I also hope your original two were chosen by someone.
I campaign actively for there to be a fairly crippling licence required for breeding - with teeth. Swingeing fines for breaking the law, and confiscation of all horses held by person. It would be a nightmare initially, but I think in a few years it would have paid for itself. People like your scammers are either breeding these youngsters or acquiring them from those who do. The world is awash with coloured cobby vanner types - like Staffies in the dog world, and so many of them, loveable as they are, are second-rate.
Good luck with little Oreo - I hope he will grow to be a big Oreo - or at least the size you want.
I campaign actively for there to be a fairly crippling licence required for breeding - with teeth. Swingeing fines for breaking the law, and confiscation of all horses held by person. It would be a nightmare initially, but I think in a few years it would have paid for itself. People like your scammers are either breeding these youngsters or acquiring them from those who do. The world is awash with coloured cobby vanner types - like Staffies in the dog world, and so many of them, loveable as they are, are second-rate.
Good luck with little Oreo - I hope he will grow to be a big Oreo - or at least the size you want.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Are you planning on keeping both usernames now then OP? I can't keep up!
laura_nash
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I'm not sure this is actually the case here. From what OP has said it sounds like this is an outfit similar to several around here, basically they are breeding and selling mares for a reasonably amount of money. They can't be bothered with the colts as they will need to be gelded, will need time to recover, and aren't worth as much. So the colts go for meat, or they find another sales tactic with the "rescue" wheeze. Whether the colts for for meat or they make a little more selling them to someone else doesn't really make any difference to them, they are a byproduct. Unless you could make the breeding of the mares not worthwhile (and they sell them within their community mostly so the only way would be to signicantly increase the cost of breeding and selling them in some way that they can't avoid paying) then the colts will always be born and will always be got rid of somehow.
Fides
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The whole point of the thread was not to encourage people but to put them off - giving the true cost of the cheap £50 horse. Also the hard work and time involved in getting them to a stage where they are 'useful'. Nearly £1200 and not even backed yet...
Ive only posted on this thread, no others. Just to update...
madlady
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He is looking brilliant OP - well done you and well done for highlighting the costs involved - lots of people will vastly underestimate how much these cheap 'rescues' are going to cost.
Fides
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Well the dentist came today to do the two ridden ones. Oreo got introduced to the gag and rasp in a totally non-stress way and was better behaved than the ones that had been done before. He had two tiny Spurs on his back teeth due to him being very slightly parrot mouthed which she took off. Here he is sporting some serious dental gear 
Fides
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Just to give an idea about how windy it is up here - this was an hour after being turned back out! Do you think he's being marked for being stolen? Pmsl
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I thought you needed to stay 'under the radar'?
EQUIDAE
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Great update
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Err seriously?!!!!!
I think everyone who worked it out has been quite generous to allow you carry on as your new user name despite your blatant lieing in your initial post about how you had heard all about this forum, were new etc etc but posting as both people on the same thread. Nah, not on.
I think everyone who worked it out has been quite generous to allow you carry on as your new user name despite your blatant lieing in your initial post about how you had heard all about this forum, were new etc etc but posting as both people on the same thread. Nah, not on.
Meowy Catkin
Meow!
I was going to find the 'do do do do' music from the TV show, but this is more fun. 
[video=youtube;a1sf2CzEq0w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1sf2CzEq0w[/video]
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
Lol Faracat!
It was tricky to determine exactly which do do do you meant
It was tricky to determine exactly which do do do you meant
madlady
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Am I missing something?
Princess16
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Can you explain what you are on about with all the cryptic messages ? Coz I for one am confused ??
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Sorry!
Fides and EQUIDAE are the same person.
We have known this since EQUIDAE posted pictures on her first post/thread but when it was brought up despite her initial post claiming 'first post so please be gentle with me'. She pm'd a number of people stating stalker etc reasons for needing to stay under the radar so continued to post as EQUIDAE (and has done on this thread :rolleyes3:' Apparently it is all ok now though and one of the key rules is no multiple user names and it is deceiving people.
https://forums-secure.horseandhound.co.uk/showthread.php?707413-Aggressive-Youngster
Fides and EQUIDAE are the same person.
We have known this since EQUIDAE posted pictures on her first post/thread but when it was brought up despite her initial post claiming 'first post so please be gentle with me'. She pm'd a number of people stating stalker etc reasons for needing to stay under the radar so continued to post as EQUIDAE (and has done on this thread :rolleyes3:' Apparently it is all ok now though and one of the key rules is no multiple user names and it is deceiving people.
https://forums-secure.horseandhound.co.uk/showthread.php?707413-Aggressive-Youngster
zigzag
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Report to admin then, I doubt she is the only one with a two accounts but rather sad she replies to her own thread with "great update" lol
Princess16
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Think the clues were there when underneath her name it says 1440 posts !!
ester
Not slacking multitasking
It has been reported to admin now, I doubt that she is the only one with two log-ins either but if you want to do that it is usually wise not to add a load of photos to your first post that people will recognise :rolleyes3:
It wasn't previously reported as the poster wasn't active as Fides and had reasons not to post under that name. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect people to pick one username and stick with it for general posting.
Sorry I don't understand princess16? It was known from her first post as Equidae that she was in fact Fides.
It wasn't previously reported as the poster wasn't active as Fides and had reasons not to post under that name. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect people to pick one username and stick with it for general posting.
Sorry I don't understand princess16? It was known from her first post as Equidae that she was in fact Fides.
Princess16
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When she first posted as Equidae last year saying it was her first post underneath it said 1440 posts
ester
Not slacking multitasking
No it wouldn't have done, at the time it would have said 1, it updates automatically on all of your old posts which is why it will say 1440 under the one on this thread too, and Fides has 2900 ish posts.
All my old posts will also say 29821 (!!!) under them
All my old posts will also say 29821 (!!!) under them
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Tbf, I believe that EQUIDAE didn't intend to post on Fides' thread as EQUIDAE. It was a whoopsy. Her original post was quickly edited to the one that stands now, as what she originally posted as EQUIDAE clearly came from Fides in response to one of Ester's posts.
First rule of multiple identities - remember which one you are currently assuming!
Anyhoo, OP, as you apparently no longer need to lie below the radar, why don't you ask admin if they will amalgamate all your posts into just one of your usernames? Most of us regulars have had you sussed for a long while now.
Technically, you could be banned for the dual username issue I suppose, but the forum would be a quieter place without you.
First rule of multiple identities - remember which one you are currently assuming!
Anyhoo, OP, as you apparently no longer need to lie below the radar, why don't you ask admin if they will amalgamate all your posts into just one of your usernames? Most of us regulars have had you sussed for a long while now.
Technically, you could be banned for the dual username issue I suppose, but the forum would be a quieter place without you
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
Oh I didn't see an edit?
Yes it would certainly make sense to see if admin can amalgamate them.
Yes it would certainly make sense to see if admin can amalgamate them.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
I happened to be on line at the time and saw the original post from EQUIDAE when it came up, it was something along the lines of 'Why do you keep going on about it?'. I thought 'That's let the cat out of the bag!'.
It had been edited to 'Great update' by the time I back on later in the day.
_GG_
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It was a basic description. If I went into the intricacies of the welfare crisis, I'd be here all year. Doesn't change the fact that people buying the colts creates a demand that makes the breeders use the tactics that they do to get a bit more money for them. Meat man = guaranteed future. Sold cheaply = a few lucky horses and a lot of horses destined to be picked up by a welfare agency in a few years time in goodness knows what state...if they're lucky.
I wasn't commenting on the thread, I was responding to a particular question.
sywell
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I you look at the legislation any late registrations are signed out in section IX. One has to ask why the vets are following the procedure for using drugs that are not approved where a horse has no passport.