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I have read this entire thread out of interest.

I have viewed a few videos, although I concur that's not adequate evidence to base a blanket opinion on.

My opinion won't be popular.

Apart from a white pony who had clearly been beaten (black eye, etc) and a starved horse (which I can't say was starved before or after the slaughter house?), all the horses looked healthy enough, ears forward, attentive and walking without force willingly.

However, the photos of how some of the horses ended up there (in races/jumping comps) I found incredibly sad. Accidents happen, but I dare say their deaths were far less painful than the time between incurring those horrific injuries and arriving at the slaughter house.

As for the meat pictures, being someone who grew up in Montana and has gutted elk, deer, seen bear and moose being done, once the animal is dead, its all meat to me.
 
Tic Tac did you know for instance that trainee slaughtermen/women are kicked off the training course if they show any sign of 'enjoying' the task, or if they aren't competent animal handlers?

No, I don't expect you did, because you're far happier believing the kind of
bull that AA pedal to people like you. To be honest you've no real right to an opinion because you've no personal experience to base it on, unlike nativeponies,myself & several other who have.[/QUOTE]

in an ideal world but sadly not true in all cases.http://www.farmersguardian.com/home...ed-of-unbearable-cruelty-closes/33811.article
I am very pro having CCTV in all slaughterhouses so the sadists are found out. For the record I farm sheep for dairy and meat but I only send my animals to one slaughterhouse as I just do not trust the very big commercial ones.
 
PS Last year I had my lovely (well quite bitchy but only to ppl who she didn't like!) big young mare put down - She wouldn't die - the vet said she had never seen anything like it and usually had to use a max of 2 bottles (of pentobarb or wateva it was) and that was for natives - she was a tb x wb and took 3 full bottles and around 20 mins of gasping and trying to get up, cutting her head open and it was an awful experience. not great considering she didnt like vets and needles and was even sedated i/m before we began. - Not always the best way to go but you only generally find these things out wen u have experienced them yourself.
 
I have a cousin who is a butcher turned slaughterman. He said that during training they were watched like hawks, & that two who were training alongside him were asked to leave due to 'attitude issues'. He said he was glad that they were asked to go, because they were the arsey type who revelled in what they were doing, & who treated it as some big ego trip.
FWIW though I agree that CCTV should be installed in slaughterhouses.
 
Ayla84 said:
The people who are against are often the ones with no experience of it and think all ponies should live in fluffy bunny land etc :rolleyes:

I used to be totally against slaughtering horses....after seeing what some people can do to them i often think slaughter is the only way out.... I`ve seen a horse being given a lethal injection....I watched that horse take 30 minutes to die...spasm in pain and prompt everyone involved into tears!!!!
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I don't think you should generalise everyone like this, it is patronising and unfair especially as you don't even know us.

Plus you don't need to use lethal injection to pts a horse at home. I just think it is less stressful to pts at home rather than transporting the animal to an unknown place where death is in the air. Just like if my dog needed putting to sleep it would be done in our home where he is happiest.

signing off from fluffy bunny land:rolleyes:
 
i'm not against abbatoirs or the hunt doing the deed BUT my personal choice is for my own horses to be pts by injection in it's own environment. i couldn't send my horse to an abbatoir or for it to be shot however i understand and accept that everyone is different and they are entitled to choose whichever method they want when it comes down to things.
it doesn't mean we love our horses any less/more/different because we don't all do the same thing at the end.
 
Elliegazzellie said:
I think this thread should be closed now as OP has got the answer they origionally wanted and now it's just turned into a pointless debate that is going round and around in circles! I think some people posting on here are doing so just to get a reaction- talking about horses as just pointless pieces of meat is going to cause upset to most readers and therefore cause somewhat of an uproar.
I personally believe that all my horses has forever homes and so would personally try every option in the book to provide the horse a home, whether it meant it could be ridden or not. If for some reason my horse had to be pts it would be done by a vet in the comfort of his own home and familiar surroundings. No body can begin to imagine the fear that animals feel whilst in a slaughter house waiting for their fate. They know whats about to happen and that's no way for a horse to live its last moments.

Anyway I think this thread should be closed now, it seems nothing out there will change OP's mind and it's just turning into a petty squabble.
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Hmmm I actually find this post slightly arrogant in assuming how people are viewing this thread.

I for one don't think it is pointless. I have learnt things from this thread that I would normally have had no other way of finding out until I needed it. I've never had an animal pts and am new to horse owning (18 mths) but options are something I think all horse owners need to be aware of.

For those who have provided an insight to places like Potter, thank you
 
"As we walked through the holding pen, a gunshot went off. Two young thoroughbreds jumped and began biting each other's necks, which were covered in red welts"

Can I suggest that you take the time to read the link .... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport

People who say "I can't afford to have the horse pts" quite simply shouldn't have a horse if you arn't able to meet the needs of it. We all know a time will come when they will need to be pts or they die and should be prepared financially and mentally. When your family members get old, your dogs and cats, your husband/wife will you send them to like a concentration camp?? Queing to die which is what these horses do! I'm not saying it's wrong to put horses down if that's the last route but after reading the above link It makes me feel sick that people are naive enough to think that horses cannot sense death and danger especially when it happens so close to the live horses :( If they are going to do it can't one horse be taken at a time to a seperate shooting area far away from the live animals ? No because this is to much hassle for them as they are going to die anyway :mad:
 
martlin said:
I haven't :)
TBH crossing with a Charolaix gives 2 benefits:
they retain their placidity and
they're passported as Charolaix X, which brings better price per kilo in the ring... sad as it sounds, the British buyers are not interested in paying good money for British breeds of cattle:o

Aren't salers fairly large and horned? That would be 2 nonos for me...
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http://www.thecattlesite.com/breeds/beef/15/salers/overview

Ive heard that they are sane enough to work with and are incredibly easy calfers. When crossed with Charlies, they always produce blondes. Apart from horses and cats, Im also a cattle freak!
 
TicTac said:
What about the one with the injured horse? etc

Lets face it there is never going to be total agreement on a subject like this so I'll agree to differ.
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the chestnut down on the floor?

she had collapsed..and because of DEFRA regulations, sadly had to wait until a qualified Slaughterman could come to the plant, open up and dispatch her.

nothing sinister, just following DEFRA regs
 
pastie2 said:
I dont doubt for one moment that the OP is making the right decision. So why not just get on with it, why make an issue on this forum about the price per kilo. To me it is a post designed to cause confrontation. Anyone with an ounce of sense will put a dangerous horse down, just that most people dont really advertise the fact.[/QUOTE

you took the words right out of my mouth Pastie! Well said.
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jemima_too said:
And your experience of this is??? Or of any animals being killed.
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One of the horses had to be put down a few years back and I have never seen all the horses soo worked up.... they all looked genuinly upset and terrified even the calmest of horses. I just don't think it's right to do it so close to the live horses. :(
 
Caz89 said:
"As we walked through the holding pen, a gunshot went off. Two young thoroughbreds jumped and began biting each other's necks, which were covered in red welts"

Can I suggest that you take the time to read the link .... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport
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How would the necks be covered in red welts? You can't see the colour of "welts through fur on most TBs as they are dark coloured. You might be able to see a raised welt but that's not what the article says. If the rest of the reporting is similarly accurate . .
 
OP i see your west yorkshire have you rand Crowthers at all? they are not far from emily mast, you can take the pony there or have them come to you

Yorkshire Equine Crematorium

Tel No: 01924 840752. Mob No: 07801 294327

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Can i just ask why is it crazy just out of intrest
 
Usually 'what's best for the horse' involves the owner bearing a loss financially. Responsible people would allow for this loss before buying a horse in the first place. These horses would then be euthanased and spared the indignity of going round and round the system for stupid money. Then people would have to pay proper prices for decent stock.
 
Caz89 said:
One of the horses had to be put down a few years back and I have never seen all the horses soo worked up.... they all looked genuinly upset and terrified even the calmest of horses. I just don't think it's right to do it so close to the live horses. :(
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In that case I'd be of the opinion that the handlers of the horses were to blame for being stressed and upset and transferring it to the other horses. The horses may jump from a gunshot but they honestly don't know what has happened to one of their number. If you leave a dead horse in the field for it's companions to "say goodbye" they don't freak out, they walk over calmly to see why their friend is lying down.
 
No one seen the whole process with a horse at one of these slaughter houses then? I do mean from the horse arriving to its death.
I have seen horses die by injection and of natural causes.
Several people have said they have seen what goes on but no one seems to have seen the whole thing.
I dont mean just dropping off the horse and leaving it which to me is a cop out.
I think you owe it to your horse to be with it at the end.
I really dont think unless you have seen a horse killed at a slaughter house you can say its its a good or bad way to go.
 
itsmylife said:
No one seen the whole process with a horse at one of these slaughter houses then? I do mean from the horse arriving to its death.
I have seen horses die by injection and of natural causes.
Several people have said they have seen what goes on but no one seems to have seen the whole thing.
I dont mean just dropping off the horse and leaving it which to me is a cop out.
I think you owe it to your horse to be with it at the end.
I really dont think unless you have seen a horse killed at a slaughter house you can say its its a good or bad way to go.
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jemima_too said:
How would the necks be covered in red welts? You can't see the colour of "welts through fur on most TBs as they are dark coloured. You might be able to see a raised welt but that's not what the article says. If the rest of the reporting is similarly accurate . .
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I couldn't say as I didn't write the report. It may well be inaccurate and not true what was written but I personally wouldn't want to take the risk with mine but that's just my opinion

The horses being worked up I don't think you can blame the handlers. I don't want to get into an argument we all have our diff opinions and I respect others I just personally dont like it :(
 
itsmylife said:
No one seen the whole process with a horse at one of these slaughter houses then? I do mean from the horse arriving to its death.
I have seen horses die by injection and of natural causes.
Several people have said they have seen what goes on but no one seems to have seen the whole thing.
I dont mean just dropping off the horse and leaving it which to me is a cop out.
I think you owe it to your horse to be with it at the end.
I really dont think unless you have seen a horse killed at a slaughter house you can say its its a good or bad way to go.
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I wouldn't want my horse to go that way. I would move heaven and earth for a peaceful, pain free and dignified way for my horse to leave this world and if that meant being in debt to do it I would. Why anyone would take a horse to an abbatoir is beyond me. I feel sorry for the pony involved. There is very often a solution to a problem horse/pony and rarely is a horse downright dangerous/evil. But the OP has made up her mind and in my opinion is trying to justify her actions by coming on this site.
 
jemima_too said:
In that case I'd be of the opinion that the handlers of the horses were to blame for being stressed and upset and transferring it to the other horses. The horses may jump from a gunshot but they honestly don't know what has happened to one of their number. If you leave a dead horse in the field for it's companions to "say goodbye" they don't freak out, they walk over calmly to see why their friend is lying down.
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I know someone who had a group of horse pts by humane captive bolt/pistol and they were all in adjoining stables. They said none of the horses were frightened or alarmed at what had happened to the horses before them. They just didn't associate what had happened with what was going to happen to them. Thats what I was told anyway. But still don't like to think my horse would be subject to that.
 
I am not quite sure where to begin here but I am shocked by a lot of "horse lovers" views which have come across on this thread. Surely a responsible horse owner is allowed to ask the simple question of obtaining a phone number for an abattoir which slaughters horses. Who in their right mind would want to see any animal either cause danger to a human being (human life is worth more than any animal) or it being passed from pillar to post. I know there are probably a lot of younger people on this forum who think the idea of a horse being slaughtered as deplorable but it is a fact of life. If you are a meat eater, have leather tack, wear leather shoes - think for a second as to how you have got this. Due to an animal being slaughtered. Be it a cow, sheep, horse etc. you accept it to wear leather and eat meat, so accept that horses will and do face the same fate. I personally would never pay for a companion horse if I needed one. I see it that I am doing someone a favour by having their unwanted horse. Therefore that goes out of the window for the people who think the OP should sell it as a companion or to a Natural Horse person. (NH to me = National Hunt!) You also completley contradict yourselves by saying that the OP is wrong for wanting money from the animal yet could get more selling it as a companion or to a Natural Horsemanship person. Man Up and get over it. A dangerous or unwanted or sick animal is FAR BETTER off being sent to an abattoir to be disposed of in a kind and humane manner. I think it should be compulsory for everyone to see how these places work and how the animals are treated. We are sending 3 of our sheep for slaughter in the next week or so and I would like to go but unfortunatly it's not worked out. I am actually seething so my post may be a litle jiggled. I am pleased I am not a horse owned by a lot of people who have posted here giving the OP a hard time. Oh and to finish off who are you to judge any personal circumstances this person may have come across - that could also be part of the equation. I have so much more to add but at this point I am biting my tounge!
 
Elliegazzellie said:
I don't think you should generalise everyone like this, it is patronising and unfair especially as you don't even know us.

Plus you don't need to use lethal injection to pts a horse at home. I just think it is less stressful to pts at home rather than transporting the animal to an unknown place where death is in the air. Just like if my dog needed putting to sleep it would be done in our home where he is happiest.

signing off from fluffy bunny land:rolleyes:
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Hence the word often... not all :rolleyes:

if your dog broke a leg was in extreme pain, you had taken him to the vet and he had to be put down there and then you would take him home because he`s happy there??? You`d put him through pain for longer just to keep him happy?...thats unfair.

The majority of these horses dont have a home to be PTS. They're bought from sales...dumped from racing/jumping yards...deemed as useless and quite often homeless. Some people cant afford for local hunt to do it...cant afford to pay sky high prices vets charge.... the horses are going back into the food chain...circle of life. yada yada

They cant all be saved...I`ve learnt that

Nobody seems to have a problem with slaughtering cows, sheep...cute lambs...thats "natural" :rolleyes::D but god forbid slaughter a horse that could potentially kill!
 
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applecart14 said:
I wouldn't want my horse to go that way. I would move heaven and earth for a peaceful, pain free and dignified way for my horse to leave this world and if that meant being in debt to do it I would. Why anyone would take a horse to an abbatoir is beyond me. I feel sorry for the pony involved. There is very often a solution to a problem horse/pony and rarely is a horse downright dangerous/evil. But the OP has made up her mind and in my opinion is trying to justify her actions by coming on this site.
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here here!
 
Sorry Nativeponies just saw your reply. My worry would be horses standing around waiting to die and seeing other horses die in front of them.
I imagine horses pennd up waiting for hours and getting distressed.
I cant agree that horses dont sense death as I have seen a pony react to the death of his field mate.
Im not for or against this method of pts as ive never seen it but I hate the thought of animals lined up waiting to die.
 
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