meat man

Status
Not open for further replies.
teddyt said:
If you are that skint that you need a measly few quid for other horses then you shouldn't have them in the first place.
Click to expand...

hmm, you know what they say - look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.

Why is it so offensive to people that someone would rather get some cash for a horse's carcass than pay for disposing of it?
 
honetpot said:
Ayla84 said:
Oh and there`s me thinking you were some sort of horse hating, evil cow who worked at Potters :rolleyes::D

I can not believe someone thought that never mind wrote it, about anyone.
Click to expand...

lol :D:rolleyes: means sarcasm!!! I wasnt the one who called NP a horse hater...someone else did :rolleyes:

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=413953&page=24 4th post down....if you read the thread properly you`d quite clearly see it wasnt me! :) :P

orsolya80 said:
honetpot said:
I think she was being sarcastic, hence the :rolleyes: and :D at the end?
Click to expand...


at least someone can read a post properly! clearly :D:rolleyes: means I`m being evil , bitchy and serious :D:D:D oops there goes again!:rolleyes:
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
teddyt said:
If you are that skint that you need a measly few quid for other horses then you shouldn't have them in the first place.

Again, i have nothing against PTS but i dislike that you require compensation for the time you have put in to an animal because 'he hasnt given you a good life' :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

You may dislike the idea of receiving money for your dead horse but the cash difference between having it shot by the vet, removed, cremated and returned to you and sending it to be shot at the abattoir is approaching £1000. You may have that sort of money lying around but for many people having to find several hundreds of pounds at a sad time is an unwanted, unnecessary and hurtful stress. Those people should be able to feel that it is perfectly normal and acceptable, and does not need to be justified, to take their horse, even if much loved, somewhere where they will not end up with a possibly unaffordable financial burden on top of their loss. As others have said the end result is a dead horse and dead horses don't care what happens to their body.

ps I deliberately used the term "shot by the vet" because whist I'm aware that a number of people would prefer their horse injected it does make the comparison clearer to quote "shot".
 
£1000 ? I paid a 5th of that for vet and disposal. Didn't have the ashes returned but then neither would Potters.
The cost of having a horse put to sleep is offset by the lack of livery, feed and other expenses of keeping a horse. To profit from having it PTS is revolting.
 
vixann said:
i went to bed last night thinking this thread was all over!!!
for ppls info I didn't realise the UK only had 2 equine abattoirs (hence the question?) so no I wouldnt drag the pony all that way.
The pony has now deceased so can ppl stop pm-ing me asking wat exactly he does - and would i consider selling him? - NO (I thought that was pretty obvious without having to ask me!)
Click to expand...

We have an abbatoir near here that slaughters horses, along with everything else,been in business for years.
 
But why? Why is revolting?
So there is nothing wrong with taking a horse to slaughter apart from getting paid for its carcass?
I really struggle to comprehend what is so wrong in receiving money? Is it wrong to receive money from insurance when your horse is PTS? After all, you are profiting from the horse's death...
 
What about insurance pay outs? is that disgusting? or am I missing the point?

I do not think there is anything wrong at all with profiting from having a horse slaughtered. As long as the horse is ending its days in an instant and humane way, then surely who pays for what and where it happens is completely irrelevant?
 
horserider said:
£1000 ? I paid a 5th of that for vet and disposal. Didn't have the ashes returned but then neither would Potters.
The cost of having a horse put to sleep is offset by the lack of livery, feed and other expenses of keeping a horse. To profit from having it PTS is revolting.
Click to expand...

I think this is another very narrow minded post. What on earth has it got to do with you and what qualifies you to judge if someone chooses this way.

I wonder where you had the horse disposed of? It all seems very cheap.

All of mine have been pts by the vet and it has always cost £200+ just for that. I have always had them cremated and that has cost in the region of £650.

I did what I did because that is how I wanted them to go, had the circumstances been different I would rather a qualified dispatcher to do the deed, quickly and humanely.

No-one here is in any position to judge the poster or anyone else for that matter on how they decide to have a horse destroyed. Once the horse has gone, it feels nothing, it is not the horse so if people wish to donate to science, zoo or allow it to be used for meat then so be it.
 
scatty_mare said:
What about insurance pay outs? is that disgusting? or am I missing the point?

I do not think there is anything wrong at all with profiting from having a horse slaughtered. As long as the horse is ending its days in an instant and humane way, then surely who pays for what and where it happens is completely irrelevant?
Click to expand...

Excellent point, brilliantly made.
 
lochpearl said:
I think this is another very narrow minded post. What on earth has it got to do with you and what qualifies you to judge if someone chooses this way.

I wonder where you had the horse disposed of? It all seems very cheap.

All of mine have been pts by the vet and it has always cost £200+ just for that. I have always had them cremated and that has cost in the region of £650.

I did what I did because that is how I wanted them to go, had the circumstances been different I would rather a qualified dispatcher to do the deed, quickly and humanely.

No-one here is in any position to judge the poster or anyone else for that matter on how they decide to have a horse destroyed. Once the horse has gone, it feels nothing, it is not the horse so if people wish to donate to science, zoo or allow it to be used for meat then so be it.
Click to expand...

Oh dear, you are offended because you have a different view. Do you also have issue with those who dare to express an opinion if it agrees with yours ?Not narrow minded, just a different morality. And not judging - just giving an opinion slaughter of horses for profit.
Funny how forums are only supposed to allow debate when those who shout loudest permit it.
Yes, thank you, I did have an excellent service from my vet and disposal man who both arrived within an hour of my call. Dignified, humane and my mare had a stressfree end to her life. And for a fraction of what you have been paying.
 
horserider said:
Oh dear, you are offended because you have a different view. Do you also have issue with those who dare to express an opinion if it agrees with yours ?Not narrow minded, just a different morality. And not judging - just giving an opinion slaughter of horses for profit.
Funny how forums are only supposed to allow debate when those who shout loudest permit it.
Yes, thank you, I did have an excellent service from my vet and disposal man who both arrived within an hour of my call. Dignified, humane and my mare had a stressfree end to her life. And for a fraction of what you have been paying.
Click to expand...

I'm certainly not offended by you m'dear! And yes you were judging and actually quite nasty with it.

Your mare must have been loved so well for being 'disposed of'
 
martlin said:
Is it wrong to receive money from insurance when your horse is PTS? After all, you are profiting from the horse's death...
Click to expand...

How does that equate ? Insurance is paid month after month. Would you not accept insurance if you had an accident ? Would you not accept insurance if your husband died to pay off your mortage ? I did, and it certainly wasn't to profit from his death.
 
horserider said:
How does that equate ? Insurance is paid month after month. Would you not accept insurance if you had an accident ? Would you not accept insurance if your husband died to pay off your mortage ? I did, and it certainly wasn't to profit from his death.
Click to expand...

Well, you feed the horse month after month, you pay the livery, farrier, vet etc... Why wouldn't you accept money for its carcass to avoid getting in debt?

PS I'm not married, so no, I wouldn't get an insurance money to pay off my mortgage.
 
horserider said:
How does that equate ? Insurance is paid month after month. Would you not accept insurance if you had an accident ? Would you not accept insurance if your husband died to pay off your mortage ? I did, and it certainly wasn't to profit from his death.
Click to expand...

Sorry to hear about your husband. In that terrible situation of course you are going to accept the insurance money. That's why you have insurance - to protect yourself in that event.

Having a horse put down is never going to be pleasant. There is obviously going to be a moral grey area on what might be seen as benefiting from an animal's death.
However just because someone chooses to accept money when their horse dies doesn't mean they didn't care about the horse. It just means that they can square that with themselves.
It certainly doesn't make them revolting.
 
scatty_mare said:
However just because someone chooses to accept money when their horse dies doesn't mean they didn't care about the horse. It just means that they can square that with themselves.
It certainly doesn't make them revolting.
Click to expand...

Thank you, SM, its ok, it's few years since he passed away, so not so awful now.
Two things though, I do not question whether the OP cared about the horse, I have no indication that she did not.
I do not believe she is revolting, the act is revolting. Quite different.
 
horserider said:
Thank you, SM, its ok, it's few years since he passed away, so not so awful now.
Two things though, I do not question whether the OP cared about the horse, I have no indication that she did not.
I do not believe she is revolting, the act is revolting. Quite different.
Click to expand...

I misunderstood that.
I don't think anyone will ever change your mind, and really why should they - everyone's entitled to their opinion.
The thing to remember is that it is the act you are condemning, then accepting that it is quite ok for a lot of people, and not judging them for it. I think that is hard when you feel strongly about something.
I'm not really meaning for that to sound as patronising as it might come across.
 
Have not red all of the posts but thought I'd add my piece.

First of all I love my horses and when Its their time to go they will be done by my local hunt, The way all my previous horses/ponies have gone. I have never held a horse or pony to be PTS. My dad has always done it but when we lost my pony this year he went stuffing his face with grass and the huntsman was lovely,polite and understood that we were all upset.

My dad is a farmer so have always been under the understanding that abbatoirs are run proffesionally they are clean and most importantly an animal will not suffer.
I have no issue with Potters as I believe they do a job and they do it well a proffesianly.
I also think that NP and other posters have only siad it how it is and If you dont like it dont read it!!!

OP-hope you get the pony sorted, and why shouldnt you get some money back for a pony that has only been a pain in the a***!!
 
scatty_mare said:
I misunderstood that.
I don't think anyone will ever change your mind, and really why should they - everyone's entitled to their opinion.
The thing to remember is that it is the act you are condemning, then accepting that it is quite ok for a lot of people, and not judging them for it. I think that is hard when you feel strongly about something.
I'm not really meaning for that to sound as patronising as it might come across.
Click to expand...

Not at all, I worked with a section of society whose actions were sometimes appalling, separating the act and the person is essential.

martlin said:
But please tell me - why? What's so revolting?
Click to expand...

If you have difficulty in empathising with a view you are so strongly opposed to, the art of debate is lost.
 
Last edited:
horserider said:
If you have difficulty in empathising with a view you are so strongly opposed to, the art of debate is lost.
Click to expand...

martlin said:
Charming.
Yes, you are right, the art of debate is lost, you have no intention of debating...
Click to expand...

Precisely.

Incidentally, on being revolted by profiting from death - actually by accepting insurance payment for any death, you are not only profiting but profiting from gambling as well. You gamble that you will pay less in premiums than the lump sum payout. The Insurance company lays off that gamble elsewhere - gambling with your money.

Undertakers, for human or animal, profit all the time from death. Coffin makers also, stone masons, grave diggers, church personnel and loads more. I used to supplement my pocket money as a child by bell ringing and singing in the church choir - christenings, marriages, confirmations, deaths - all nice little earners.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top