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I think the emotiveness of this thread isn't that a horse is shot - it is that it is sold for meat.

I think it is morally more acceptable to eat a horse who has had a 'nice' life, than factory farmed animals. I for one will only eat my own chickens or venison. My chickens I despatch myself so I know their end is quick and painfree. Venison I will eat as the animal has lived a natural life and dies in the field as it grazes - incredibly free from stress :). I would not eat farmed lamb or beef knowing how they are cared for during birthing and winter (even in the best farms I don't agree with). I have recently bought a couple of piglets - one will be Christmas dinner and the other will be bred from next year. I will be going with Matilda to the abbertoir as I owe it to her to be there at the end as I will be the only thing familiar to her.
 
hch4971 said:
LOL, I can't believe someone even bothered looking up the distance and tried to work out the travelling time just so they could 'have a pop' at OP
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I certainly did not look up the distance I did not need to its obvious if you have a rough knowlege of the geography of this country

And the poster having a pop at the op certainly could not have done as she wouldn't have got the travelliing time from west yorkshire to somerset as only 4 hours! However I do agree I am amazed at the lengths people will go because they have difference of oppnion
 
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lannerch said:
I certainly did not look up the distance I did not need to its obvious if you have a rough knowlege of the geography of this country

And the poster having a pop at the op certainly could not have done as she wouldn't have got the travelliing time from west yorkshire to somerset as only 4 hours! However I do agree I am amazed at the lengths people will go because they have difference of oppnion
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It was me that gave the rough time from West Yorkshire to Somerset and I just happen to be on H&H right now so will reply to you. Just because you are being childish I followed your lead and childishly typed in Leeds Yorkshire to Taunton Somerset on mapquest. Suprisingly it has shown this

Your trip is 3 hours 56 minutes / 248.26 miles


So the time frame I gave of about 4 hours from West Yorkshire to Potters in Somerset is accurate. I didnt have to mapquest because I travel close to that route regularly and I know how long it takes me.
 
jaypeebee said:
It was me that gave the rough time from West Yorkshire to Somerset and I just happen to be on H&H right now so will reply to you. Just because you are being childish I followed your lead and childishly typed in Leeds Yorkshire to Taunton Somerset on mapquest. Suprisingly it has shown this

Your trip is 3 hours 56 minutes / 248.26 miles


So the time frame I gave of about 4 hours from West Yorkshire to Potters in Somerset is accurate. I didnt have to mapquest because I travel close to that route regularly and I know how long it takes me.
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In a horsebox?!!! You must drive it quite some

And how rude you are!
 
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nativeponies said:
i'll use this phrase again..

TB/WB are used for human consumption..better quality of meat

then the rest is "pony pies" ( that phrase again LOL)..Zoo's Longleat/woburn take these
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Interesting post.

But from this quote above I have decided. My horse is an Anglo Arab x Cob and I have spent the last 6 years promising him that the imaginary lions and tigers he sees in the hedges and up the trees are not going to eat him. So I dont think I could bring myself to break that promise.........even if he was already dead.

Sorry, not very useful to you, but I thought quite amusing.
 
Originally Posted by horserider
To profit from having it PTS is revolting.

Indalo said:
why shouldnt you get some money back for a pony that has only been a pain in the a***!!
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I've been following this thread every day, as it has, on the whole, been balanced and informative, and it seems that really it boils down to the above argument. (I've taken the quotes above as examples purely because they were near the end and easy to find, not to single out those particular people)

OP invested time into the pony to try and turn him around and give a chance, and therefore invested money to keep him for that time.

If she had managed to turn the pony around, and then sell it to a nice home, no-one would begrudge her making a bit for herself to cover her costs. But because the outcome was the complete opposite, does that mean she's not entitled to anything? Even though that was the correct and responsible decision to make for this particular pony? The pony would have cost OP exactly the same amount in time and money in either scenario up until the point of departure from her yard.

Well done to OP for facing up to the decision and following it through.
 
Bab said:
Does that include you, NP, and your kin?
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Nope, generally humans do not eat other meat eaters - herbivores is the meat of choice. Mainly as toxins build up the higher up the food chain you go (you never want to eat polar bear liver...). There's a tribe in New Guinea that are cannibals - unfortunately they suffer from a disease called Kuru (similar to CJd). It's only really beneficial to eat meat that is vegetarian.

Plus God doesn't call us creatures - there is a distinct division (don't get the religious started :eek:)
 
Inky_and_Sunny said:
Nope, generally humans do not eat other meat eaters - herbivores is the meat of choice. Mainly as toxins build up the higher up the food chain you go (you never want to eat polar bear liver...). There's a tribe in New Guinea that are cannibals - unfortunately they suffer from a disease called Kuru (similar to CJd). It's only really beneficial to eat meat that is vegetarian.

Plus God doesn't call us creatures - there is a distinct division (don't get the religious started :eek:)
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Would you be okay with eating a human who was raised vegetarian?
 
jemima_too said:
You may dislike the idea of receiving money for your dead horse but the cash difference between having it shot by the vet, removed, cremated and returned to you and sending it to be shot at the abattoir is approaching £1000. You may have that sort of money lying around but for many people having to find several hundreds of pounds at a sad time is an unwanted, unnecessary and hurtful stress. Those people should be able to feel that it is perfectly normal and acceptable, and does not need to be justified, to take their horse, even if much loved, somewhere where they will not end up with a possibly unaffordable financial burden on top of their loss. As others have said the end result is a dead horse and dead horses don't care what happens to their body.

ps I deliberately used the term "shot by the vet" because whist I'm aware that a number of people would prefer their horse injected it does make the comparison clearer to quote "shot".
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My objection is to the reason behind wanting money for the horse. The OP wanted money because she felt the horse owed her because of the time she had put into it and in her words hadnt given her a good life back. Like a horse can understand that reasoning!

And, if you really need just a few pounds that badly to care for other horses then i don't think you should have horses. You cant call a vet out for less than £60 with treatment costing extra on top of this. £60 is just one set of shoes. If youre having to scrape together that sort of money then i think the horses welfare will suffer. Ok, so an extra 2 weeks before being shod isnt the biggest crime in the world but its still potentially uncomfortable for the horse. Humans wouldnt put up with an uncomfortable shoe for 2 hours!

If you farm horses or its a business and you sell to the abbatoir then i think thats slightly different. Or as you point out, there is a big difference between abbatoir and vet.

Im not against taking a horse to an abbatoir but i think the attitude of requiring compensation because you think it hasnt been nice to you is a disgrace :rolleyes: Thats what i object to.
 
Inky_and_Sunny said:
Nope, generally humans do not eat other meat eaters - herbivores is the meat of choice. Mainly as toxins build up the higher up the food chain you go (you never want to eat polar bear liver...). There's a tribe in New Guinea that are cannibals - unfortunately they suffer from a disease called Kuru (similar to CJd). It's only really beneficial to eat meat that is vegetarian.

Plus God doesn't call us creatures - there is a distinct division (don't get the religious started :eek:)
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What about Pork? Pigs are omnivores...
 
teddyt said:
My objection is to the reason behind wanting money for the horse. The OP wanted money because she felt the horse owed her because of the time she had put into it and in her words hadnt given her a good life back. Like a horse can understand that reasoning! One suspects that statement from the OP was a throwaway phrase

And, if you really need just a few pounds that badly to care for other horses then i don't think you should have horses. You cant call a vet out for less than £60 with treatment costing extra on top of this. £60 is just one set of shoes. If youre having to scrape together that sort of money then i think the horses welfare will suffer. Ok, so an extra 2 weeks before being shod isnt the biggest crime in the world but its still potentially uncomfortable for the horse. Humans wouldnt put up with an uncomfortable shoe for 2 hours! I agree with you that owning horses on a shoestring is a risky thing to do, it's partly why I managed without horses for so long. However the point I was making was rustling up the spare grand (and to confirm my figures - decent sized horse at Potters is going to get you, say, £250, cost of vet + removal, cremation and return has been quoted on here at between £700 and £800. Difference between +£250 and -£750 = £1000) I don't think that many people on here could easily rustle up the odd grand but I think I'll start a poll to find out.

If you farm horses or its a business and you sell to the abbatoir then i think thats slightly different. Or as you point out, there is a big difference between abbatoir and vet.

Im not against taking a horse to an abbatoir but i think the attitude of requiring compensation because you think it hasnt been nice to you is a disgrace :rolleyes: Thats what i object to.
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As I said, I don't think that that's a true reflection of the OP's feelings, rather a phrase used defensively.
 
teddyt said:
My objection is to the reason behind wanting money for the horse. The OP wanted money because she felt the horse owed her because of the time she had put into it and in her words hadnt given her a good life back. Like a horse can understand that reasoning!

Im not against taking a horse to an abbatoir but i think the attitude of requiring compensation because you think it hasnt been nice to you is a disgrace :rolleyes: Thats what i object to.
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Like a horse can understand your ethics. :rolleyes: Its dead either way, for a profit or at the owners cost. Its not going to know about or care about the monetary difference. :confused:
 
Inky_and_Sunny said:
Nope, generally humans do not eat other meat eaters - herbivores is the meat of choice. Mainly as toxins build up the higher up the food chain you go (you never want to eat polar bear liver...). There's a tribe in New Guinea that are cannibals - unfortunately they suffer from a disease called Kuru (similar to CJd). It's only really beneficial to eat meat that is vegetarian.

Plus God doesn't call us creatures - there is a distinct division (don't get the religious started :eek:)
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Oooh!!


a bit of topic - but you cleared up why in The Book of Eli they asked eachother to show their hands, because being a cannibal gives you the shakes.

tah!
 
Flame_ said:
Like a horse can understand your ethics. :rolleyes: Its dead either way, for a profit or at the owners cost. Its not going to know about or care about the monetary difference. :confused:
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This is very true, horses do not think the same way we do, as long as the end is as peaceful as possible it is up to the owners how they end it.
 
Iv followed this thread right through and TBH its a bit OTT now!

The original question the OP asked was answered about 70 pages back!!! Yes people have their opinions, they should be allowed to have these opinions without being fired down by people who have the opposite opinion.

In this country, as I see it, there is a place for abattoirs who deal with horses. Look at the sales where all these ponies are unwanted and no one even wants them for free!!! Surely a better end at the hands of a qualified abattoir worker than left for abandonment and starvation?

I have a small amount of livestock - some sheep and a few cattle. One of my cows is most definately a pet, I reared her from 3 days old, recently she had a calf by caesarian section. Now the problem is I may never get her back in calf again. If this happens then, she will be visiting an abattoir. This is a commercial decision, and yes I am as attached to the cow as I am my horse, but this is how it will be. Does this make me a bad person??

I guess the point I am trying to make is that many people who have horses, have them on a commercial basis, rather than just pets etc. And a commercial decision (i.e to make money from the meat!) is a necessity. As long as the animal is dispatched quickly and humanely, and from what Iv seen in abattoirs, this is the case, then what is the issue that the owner wishes to gain some £ rather than spend out a fortune on disposal etc? The welfare of the animal is paramount.

Good on the OP for making a sensible decision regarding a potentially dangerous animal.
 
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