Missold horse

[paddy555]

https://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/120396575/gorgeous-chesnut-gelding-15hh.html?link=/search?keyword=Gorgeous+chesnut+gelding

thank you, I hadn't found the advert.

Sweet looking horse and what a shame he is being passed from pillar to post in this way. "Heartbreaking sale"
I don't think so.

Very poor show CJess. This is a living creature. If you were not prepared to give him a chance why on earth buy him in the first place.

 

[Chinchilla]

I'm not sure what the point is commenting on this thread anymore; OP isn't going to come back now and she wouldn't listen to us if she did as we didn't make the right pitying "oh poor you being ripped off by the big bad nasty dealer" in the beginning.

 

[shamrock2021]

Unfortunately this is extremely common especially horse bought of doggy dealers . People now they can’t return the horse because these people are so doggy they just ignore the buyers. I seen it before not as
obvious as op is making it.

I hope this horse finds a good home and finds someone understanding of there responsibility as horse owner.

 

[Equi]

1, terrible advert. 2, I’m shocked at the OPs behaviour this is just continuing the bad cycle for this poor horse.

what I will say though is I can understand the want to get it all away and out of your hands immediately and the simplest way they can think of is to just sell quickly and be done. But this is wrong.

I think you need more experience op before thinking of any new horses.

 

[Winters100]

And yet another of the 'I can't afford to keep the horse if it is not useful to me, but I am heartbroken' ones. You either take responsibility for the living beings in your care or you do not, but saying how heartbroken you are while trying to pass the problem to someone else is a bit much.

 

[Pearlsasinger]

1, terrible advert. 2, I’m shocked at the OPs behaviour this is just continuing the bad cycle for this poor horse.

what I will say though is I can understand the want to get it all away and out of your hands immediately and the simplest way they can think of is to just sell quickly and be done. But this is wrong.

I think you need more experience op before thinking of any new horses.

A complete novice trying to pass off an unsound horse as suitable for a beginner, or even for a more experienced rider is not going to be either quick or easy, imho. I would have thought that taking it back to the dealer for a partial refund would have been easier, even if not really any better for the horse.

 

[Equi]

A complete novice trying to pass off an unsound horse as suitable for a beginner, or even for a more experienced rider is not going to be either quick or easy, imho. I would have thought that taking it back to the dealer for a partial refund would have been easier, even if not really any better for the horse.

No as more experienced people we know that. I can see how to them it would feel more of an active “doing” something about it right now thing though. If that makes any sense lol

 

[Goldenstar]

OP needs a rocking horse next time .

 

[Winters100]

Unless OP is going to outright lie to a buyer and say that she has had the horse in work I cannot imagine anyone wanting to fork out for the vet check that she did not do. And if she is not going to lie then how is she going to explain her assessment that he "excels especially in hacking" (still trying to get my head around the phrase), that he "works well in all 2 paces" and that his back "has no effect on his riding". I just can't see how this works, because if I enquired about a horse I would want to know the history in the current home, I suppose most would. An admission that the vet had found the animal to be sensitive, that the owner had not thought it worth buying a properly fitted saddle and had not ridden it would be enough to make me pass.

 

[9tails]

The advert is no longer up, thankfully. But there's a lovely 21 year old TB x CB mare. Having a 20 year old myself that I worship, I wish I had room for another one. Oh and the 21 year old looks younger than the gelding this thread is about.

 

[Pinkvboots]

The advert is no longer up, thankfully. But there's a lovely 21 year old TB x CB mare. Having a 20 year old myself that I worship, I wish I had room for another one. Oh and the 21 year old looks younger than the gelding this thread is about.

I think it's been taken down I can't find it either, it's a bit foolish to come on here whinging about being mis sold a horse then put up a complete untrue advert.

 

[Pearlsasinger]

OP needs a rocking horse next time .

I wouldn't sell her mine!

She would be better with a bike tbh

 

[Chinchilla]

no one is going to want to sell something to anyone who purchases it impulsively when they're not prepared for it then accuse the seller of fraud when it doesn't all go perfectly in the first week ......

 

[smolmaus]

I get the feeling the ad was put up in a panic. I have some level of sympathy for OP, a lot of this could very easily happen to me. She's run afoul of a cut and run dealer spotting a first time buyer, come down on the wrong side of the gamble of not having a vetting, gotten terrible advice from the yard she's on and then a vet saying "oh he has a sore back and seems sharp" (assuming that is true) when they're not even out to look at his back is vague enough to put the fear of God into someone obviously out of their depth.

The ad was very badly done but hopefully if it's taken down now she has made some progress getting the dealer back on the hook for some of this mess.

 

[AmyMay]

I get the feeling the ad was put up in a panic. I have some level of sympathy for OP, a lot of this could very easily happen to me. She's run afoul of a cut and run dealer spotting a first time buyer, come down on the wrong side of the gamble of not having a vetting, gotten terrible advice from the yard she's on and then a vet saying "oh he has a sore back and seems sharp" (assuming that is true) when they're not even out to look at his back is vague enough to put the fear of God into someone obviously out of their depth.

The ad was very badly done but hopefully if it's taken down now she has made some progress getting the dealer back on the hook for some of this mess.

I completely agree with you, as I suspect would most posters. It’s an awful position to be in as an experienced owner, let alone a novice one.

I think what most posters object to regarding the advert was the misrepresentation.

 

[Ambers Echo]

OP your best bet is returning to the dealer for a refund or exchange as many have already said. You do have legal rights. Hopefully you can do this.

Failing that, there is nothing honest/ethical you can do without checking out if the horse is basically sound. There are plenty of other options but not if he is broken. A physio check is not expensive and can reassure you one way or another on the back issue.

If he comes back with serious health issues then you may need to set a budget to get him sound enough to sell. Or chalk it up to experience and PTS. Buying a broken horse is awful but it happens. Sometimes through dodgy dealing and sometimes just because horses are fragile and they break.

It may be possible for the vet to be clear that the issues predated the sale, make him not fit for purpose and therefore the horse was missold. I did once send a horse back in those circumstances. Dealer initially refused to have the horse back till my vet wrote a letter and then he changed his mind and agreed to a swap. A swap is better than nothing for you as you can sell on honestly. Just get the new one vetted first.

If physio gives a clean bill of health (or at least lays the vets concerns about a sensitive back to rest) then you have options. All will cost you money but they solve the problem and remove the stress:
1) Sell or part ex via a reputable dealer - Your quickest option but you'll lose money as they will only pay trade prices.
2) Sell as a project from the field with an honest. ad - You will also lose money and it may take longer but worth considering if you can't find a dealer.
3) Sell (honestly!) via sales livery. - If horse is basically ok then you may get more of your money back but it is riskier and you have to pay out more first

I would not try to sell as a ridden prospect yourself. You can't ride him so I can't see why anyone would buy him as a ridden horse as opposed to a project.

A note of caution - quite aside from the ethics of it, miss-selling horses is a dangerous game to play. Someone on my yard was missold a pony. She sold it on and it came back 3 weeks later with a furious family threatening her with court etc. She refunded. Then she sold on via sales livery assuming that any problems would not be hers as she wasn;t the one selling it. But she owned the ponly so when it came back again, the sales livery person wanted nothing more to do with the pony. Once again the pony was simply dropped back off with her with a very assertive family making damn sure they got their money back. Dodgy dealers seem to have found a way round the law. Or are hard faced enough to tolerate the stress of angry ripped off people gunning for them. But that is not so easy for Joe Public. Finally she PTS which is what she should have done in the first place if she wasn't willing to invest in exploring the roots of the pony's problems. Having a horse you've washed your hands of coming back unexpectedly, with no stable anymore and threats of court action would make your current situation feel a walk in the park in comparison. Just don't go there!

 

[smolmaus]

I completely agree with you, as I suspect would most posters. It’s an awful position to be in as an experienced owner, let alone a novice one.

I think what most posters object to regarding the advert was the misrepresentation.

Oh yeah absolutely. It just reads to me as a panicky (probably part copy-paste of the ad she bought from) reaction rather than a deliberately misleading ad. Maybe I'm being too generous but she might genuinely be trying her best and just doesn't have the people around her to set her on the right track. It's just sad all round.

 

[paddy555]

I asked for her to look over him whilst she was there as he has a cut on his back leg too. She said he is sharp as he was locking a lot. She pressed on his back and shown it was very sore. Its selfish to keep him as he requires a lot of time and care that I couldnt give, i cant afford x Ray's and physio etc.

it is difficult to see what is wrong with this horse. He doesn't look sharp or difficult from the pic, he just looks to be a nice sweet horse. There is a problem leading him out to the field which is not the horse's problem His back is sore. Does sore mean KS or does sore mean he needs a physio. Money is going to be lost if he is sold so why not fork out £50 for a physio to check him out then you know what you are dealing with.

If you are simply struggling with the enormity of horse ownership for the first time then ask for help. Your yard don't seem to be very helpful. You are around Manchester. Plenty here in that area. I can think of one fairly close (won't name her) and probably several others who have the experience to assess your horse very easily and tell you exactly what you are looking at.

I suspect you are still reading this thread CJess. If you are then please pm someone on here and ask for some help. I am sure many of us would be very happy to help you. I am too far away but, for the sake of your horse, please get some help even if it is only to return or sell him successfully.

 

[criso]

I feel sorry for the OP too, they are clearly out of their depth and without a professional seeing the horse can't even know if there is anything seriously wrong with him. Even a phrase like specially fitted saddle could be how you would describe saddle fitting to someone who doesn't realise you can't just buy one off the peg for any horse.

They are in a bad situation yard wise where they can't even bring in safely and handle on the ground and wanting to get out of that quickly. I wonder if the wording of the ad comes from the original ad from the dealer.

OP if you are still reading. Do you have BHS membership or does your home insurance give you free legal advice? I think in your situation I would try and get the horse back to the dealer and then argue about amount of refund going down the legal route. You could easily end up spending more than the cost of the horse on treatment and livery fees if he's in your care.

 

[Tiddlypom]

OP was last on the forum 12 minutes ago, so is likely to still be following this thread.

OP, you are getting much good advice.

 

[ycbm]

it is difficult to see what is wrong with this horse. He doesn't look sharp or difficult from the pic, he just looks to be a nice sweet horse. There is a problem leading him out to the field which is not the horse's problem His back is sore. Does sore mean KS or does sore mean he needs a physio. Money is going to be lost if he is sold so why not fork out £50 for a physio to check him out then you know what you are dealing with.

If you are simply struggling with the enormity of horse ownership for the first time then ask for help. Your yard don't seem to be very helpful. You are around Manchester. Plenty here in that area. I can think of one fairly close (won't name her) and probably several others who have the experience to assess your horse very easily and tell you exactly what you are looking at.

I suspect you are still reading this thread CJess. If you are then please pm someone on here and ask for some help. I am sure many of us would be very happy to help you. I am too far away but, for the sake of your horse, please get some help even if it is only to return or sell him successfully.

I would certainly go and look at this horse if the OP wanted me to. I think he looks as if he could have a serious back problem, and I suspect that's what the vet was trying to tell the owner. I don't know of any Manchester area vets who would just make that kind of comment off the cuff about a horse they were vaccinating unless they could see a clear issue.

I'm afraid I wouldn't trust a physio to diagnose kissing spines, I've known two different physios miss severe kissing spine in 3 different horses. I wouldn't advise the OP to spend any money on physio without the diagnosis of a vet.

 

[webble]

That's a kind offer YCBM

OP if you're still reading this I would take her up on it, another set of experienced eyes that actually wants to help and be honest can only be a good thing

 

[ycbm]

I hope it is acceptable to say that my offer to help was thanked but is unnecessary as the horse is being returned to the dealer. I'm not certain i should be divulging what was in a private message but I've done it because the OP is not updating the thread. Many people have tried to give good advice and I think those people deserve to know what is happening.

I think this is the best achievable outcome for all concerned.

Prince will be sleeping well tonight thanking his lucky stars he was sold to Keira.

 

[AmyMay]

Thanks for the update ycbm.

 

[paddy555]

I hope it is acceptable to say that my offer to help was thanked but is unnecessary as the horse is being returned to the dealer. I'm not certain i should be divulging what was in a private message but I've done it because the OP is not updating the thread. Many people have tried to give good advice and I think those people deserve to know what is happening.

I think this is the best achievable outcome for all concerned.

Prince will be sleeping well tonight thanking his lucky stars he was sold to Keira.

that's great and it was of course you I was meaning!!!

good to hear the update and I hope, CJess, that you get this sorted.


Prince and keira were our success story. Go Prince!

 

[criso]

Good luck CJess

 

[Goldenstar]

May Epona watch over him .

 

[mini_b]

I completely agree with you, as I suspect would most posters. It’s an awful position to be in as an experienced owner, let alone a novice one.

I think what most posters object to regarding the advert was the misrepresentation.

exactly this. I do feel for her and she must feel awful. so surely she would have the insight of what a sh*tty thing that is to do to someone else.

 

[AmyMay]

exactly this. I do feel for her and she must feel awful. so surely she would have the insight of what a sh*tty thing that is to do to someone else.

The situation is now resolved.

 

[mini_b]

The situation is now resolved.

saw that Amy after I posted! It didn’t take me to where I left off