Mixed feelings..... hopefully you will understand

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Not really sure of my feelings at the moment, but I thought you lot would understand and tell me I'm not wrong to feel how I do.

To cut a long story shortish.....

I have a 35 yr old mare that I've had since she was 5. She has taught me everything and owes me nothing. She was a crooked, stiff, hat rack when I got her and before dressage was as popular as it is today, I managed to get her up to elementary level pretty much by myself and dabbled in a bit of affiliated stuff. She was a regular RC team horse and we also jumped and did a bit of everything really. That's her to the right in my sig, about a year or so ago.

We relocated 3 years ago and I left her in full livery with my very good friend and YO (known since I was about 12). Although I moved our pony which my younger son rides, and bought another pony for my older son, I didn't want to move my old girl as I didn't think it was fair. Another good friend rides her gently once a week, but other than that she potters round her paddock and generally enjoys life. I trust my friend (YO) totally, and know that she looks after my girl like her own.

I hadn't seen my mare since before Christmas, but went back to where we used to live and paid her a visit on Sunday. She was looking really well and shiny, good weight, nicely clipped, mane pulled and tidy, good feet, a few grey hairs, but well for her years.

Early this evening, my friend called. My girl had been a bit quiet today (although she ate her breakfast), and came in and laid down in her stable. She won't eat, not even carrots, apples or polos. She's never been a pig, but always enjoys a treat. She hasn't eaten her tea. My friend has spoken to the vet. Unfortunately the main partner who has known my girl for years is not on call tonight, and it is just the young newly qualified vet. No disrespect, but she doesn't know the horse or her history. This vet says call in the morning if no better - not very satisfactory as we would really like to have the advice of the more senior vet, but that's really not the point here. Having gone through major colic surgery when she was 24, I know that I do not want her to have any major treatment now. If it is a short term fix, then fine, but long term, no.

My mixed feelings arise because of the following.....

I don't have a horse I can ride/compete at the moment and my older son has grown out of his pony and I am looking around at the moment for ponies I can beg, steal or borrow for PC camp. His outgrown pony will become my younger son's pony in a year's time and I am definitely not selling the little pony when younger son grows out of him - he's 20, a wotsit off the lead rein which I wouldn't want to pass on, loads of melanomas and apart from the non sellable aspect, I love him to bits. My OH has very firmly put his foot down and said no more horses until my old girl goes.

So if this is the end and she is not likely to recover, fine, I'll take that decision. If she gets up tomorrow morning and is right as rain, also fine, she will continue to be pampered. But why do I feel so damned guilty? I don't want to prolong her life unnecessarily, but I was only saying to my friend on Sunday that I can't put a perfectly healthy, albeit old horse to sleep. And yet part of me thinks, if this is the end, then I can move on and have a new horse to do new things with. Why is life so complicated? :(

Sorry, that's a major outpouring, but I really needed to let it out amongst people who understand.
 
YOu've given her a lovely life - even leaving her where she was on full livery. I don't need to tell you all that.

I admire you for being practical at the same time as loving your girl. And for being honest about it.

Good luck whatever happens and there is no need to feel guilty, you are just someone who gets on with life and survives. And that is a great way to be. Especially when you look after creatures from your past quite so thoughtfully.
 
Its a tough one Nicki but you have given your old mare the best life and if it is her time you will know:( It is the one last kindness we can do for our 4 legged friends:(

Don't fele guilty about anything you have shown her much love an care in the last 30 years - you will always have your memories of your lovely girl:)
 
how nice that she has been owned by you for such a long time and now you are still looking out for her even though you have moved away. im sure you will make the decision with HER best interests at heart so please dont feel guilty, it sounds like she has had a pretty perfect life and is still being looked after better than a lot of oldies... please dont beat yourself up and good luck with whatever you decide...
 
I feel for u. i'm skint and all my financial issues will be lifted when my old dear goes. I refuse to hurry her but wonder if i'm keeping her going when she'd rather sleep just to ease my concience.
 
I definitely understand that.

I had my mare from the age of 10 to 15. She was broken and a happy hack all those years. Due to circumstances I've never been able to do much with my own horses - first pony terrified me, then my beautiful mare tore her tendon and was only just sound enough to be a light hack. I was told to sell her by loads of people, but I always swore she would have a home for life whatever happened, as she was a saint and just the type to be buted up and sold as sound if I passed her on. Everyone thought I was mad to curb my own horsey enjoyment like that.

My mare died of colic last year, and I miss her terribly and would give anything to have her back, but I am somewhat pleased to be free of the "burden" of having her. When I can afford to, I can now get another more capable horse and that makes me very excited. I feel terrible, like I'm feeling happy because my mare died... but she's gone and that's that and part of my moving on from her is getting to feel happy about my potential future horses.

You've got nothing to feel guilty about - you've given her a wonderful life in her considerable number of years, and have done the decent thing and fully committed yourself to her care even if that means sacrifice on your part. That's the kind of owner I'd want if I were a horse.

Try not to worry - is the senior vet in tomorrow? If so, get him out if necessary. My mare definitely taught me to be firm with vets and make sure you get the one you want and trust!
 
35 is a fantastic age, sadly they don't go on forever and I think that guilt over ending a life is normal, especially if you plan of getting another 'useful' horse. But it doesn't change facts, which are that your mare is likely at the end of her life and that you are able to give another horse a fantastic home and get some pleasure yourself.
It doesn't mean that you love your mare any less or want rid of an inconvenience. I always plan what breed of dog I'll get next when my dogs are getting old, then feel awfully guilty about wishing my much loved current dog away, it's just human nature.
 
TOTALLY understand - I'm in similar situation, always hope and pray that making THE deciseion will be a no brainer when the time comes

Are you near enough to visit your old girl? (Perhaps you see her regularly) I just know stuff about my old boy when I see him

Stick to your guns and send a more experienced vet out. I know that feeling too. Peace of mind is so important at times like this,

I'll be thinking of you
 
From reading the last few threads it seems several horses today seem to be suffering similar symptoms - wonder if the sudden weather change has caused these issues.
 
Thank you everyone. I really appreciate all your replies. It feels really hard having gone through a similar thing with my grandmother just before Christmas. She was 95 and really had got tired of living. My father, her only son, died 6 years ago and she never really got over it, but tried her best. I can't help but see similarities between her and my old girl. To non horse people I'm sure that would sound really awful, but as my grandmother's health deteriorated she said many times that she had had enough of living. I wonder if that's how my dear mare feels now.

I feel for u. i'm skint and all my financial issues will be lifted when my old dear goes. I refuse to hurry her but wonder if i'm keeping her going when she'd rather sleep just to ease my concience.

This is very similar to me. We aren't skint, but don't have surplus money and can't afford another till she goes. It's easier when I don't see her every day, but when I do I just feel racked with guilt for thinking that if she wasn't still here then I would be able to be out and about riding and competing. And now we've reached this situation, I feel awful again. Good luck with your situation. xx
 
35 is a fantastic age, sadly they don't go on forever and I think that guilt over ending a life is normal, especially if you plan of getting another 'useful' horse. But it doesn't change facts, which are that your mare is likely at the end of her life and that you are able to give another horse a fantastic home and get some pleasure yourself.

absolutely this^^.
Guilt is part of human nature i think and even if your dear old girl passed away tonight in her sleep you would still feel guilty if and when you got another horse.
 
Gosh, she is 35 that is a great age, well done to have given her such a long and healthy life.

There is no need to feel guilt, I totally agree with Touchstone. Feel proud that she has got this far. When the end comes you will feel sad, but remember the good times.
 
Did you get the vet ( newly qualified or otherwise) to come out and check her over and give painkillers. It's the least you owe her. But Yates I agree with whoever said that there seem to be a lot of older horses gojnv through similar now. I've seen quite a few
 
Just to add, I don't doubt she's had a fantastic life with you but if it is her time you owe if to her to make her as comfortable as possible if u are giving her a chance to get over it.
 
So if this is the end and she is not likely to recover, fine, I'll take that decision. If she gets up tomorrow morning and is right as rain, also fine, she will continue to be pampered. But why do I feel so damned guilty? I don't want to prolong her life unnecessarily, but I was only saying to my friend on Sunday that I can't put a perfectly healthy, albeit old horse to sleep. And yet part of me thinks, if this is the end, then I can move on and have a new horse to do new things with. Why is life so complicated? :(

The bit in bold... Because you can see and understand that when you no longer have your much loved mare, there will be a difference in your life and those changes will also bring changes that will be beneficial...

Does this mean you love your mare any the less? Hell no... It just means that life continues and changes are inevitable and even when they're created because of a horrible reason, those changes can be 'good'...

Would you 'wish your mare away' to have the third horse now? Absolutely not... But are you aware that when she does take her final journey you'll be able to consider a mother/son share or something similar? Yes... Is there anything wrong in knowing that? Again, absolutely not...

Enjoy her while you can... Her greatest legacy will be that you will still love her memory whilst continuing to to be a well rounded mum to the rugrats and horses when she's no longer here... x
 
Did you get the vet ( newly qualified or otherwise) to come out and check her over and give painkillers. It's the least you owe her. But Yates I agree with whoever said that there seem to be a lot of older horses gojnv through similar now. I've seen quite a few

The young vet is coming out in about an hour (she's currently dealing with some sheep). Please rest assured that she would have been out much earlier if my girl was showing any signs of distress. She has a normal temp and normal pulse. She isn't sweating or distressed in any way. She is just very quiet and not eating. She has now stood up again though. My friend (YO) has had her in her care for around 17 years and knew her for a few years before then. Many people may not even have noticed something was wrong. Please don't make it sound like we are not calling the vet out and she is in pain.

ETA I just noticed your second post glenruby - I do have mixed feelings, but if you read my posts correctly it is about feeling guilty about doing the right thing too soon, rather than too late.
 
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The bit in bold... Because you can see and understand that when you no longer have your much loved mare, there will be a difference in your life and those changes will also bring changes that will be beneficial...

Does this mean you love your mare any the less? Hell no... It just means that life continues and changes are inevitable and even when they're created because of a horrible reason, those changes can be 'good'...

Would you 'wish your mare away' to have the third horse now? Absolutely not... But are you aware that when she does take her final journey you'll be able to consider a mother/son share or something similar? Yes... Is there anything wrong in knowing that? Again, absolutely not...

Enjoy her while you can... Her greatest legacy will be that you will still love her memory whilst continuing to to be a well rounded mum to the rugrats and horses when she's no longer here... x

Thank you LD, and everyone else that has replied with comforting words. The mother/son share is exactly what I want to the point where I know most suitable horses on the market. I did say last year that when older son grew out of his pony and if my girl was still around I would have to have serious thoughts on what I was going to do. I think it is those practical thoughts that make me feel guilty. While she still has that spark in her eye she will be pampered. If it is her time, there will be no prolonging it or lengthy treatments. She will be allowed to go with her dignity. You have to remember that she still enjoys (well up to last week anyway) being ridden gently once a week and only a couple of days ago was whizzing round her paddock. Although she is old, up until today, she has been healthy and lively.
 
No such thing as too soon.....
Better a month/year/day too soon than a day too late.
She has been a very lucky girl to have found someone who cares so much for her.
 
I can only sympathise with you. Rest assured after 35 years I don't think any desicion you make for her will be wrong. She sounds like she is in the best of hands. Hugs to you xx
 
Let us all know how the vet visit goes. The twilight times are very hard and emotionally so taxing on us all. Your feelings are entirely normal and you have so many of them they all fight for prominence in your mind. Bottom line is you are doing right by your old girly xx
 
Horses dont live forever as much as we would like them too and at 35 I think she has done exceptionally well to go on for so long and no doubt not without the love and care you have lavished on her over the years.

Now may be the time that you are faced with that awful decision and to be perfectly honest I would rather my horse ' go' a day too early than a day too late.

See how she is in the morning and make your plans based on that. All the best for you and your grand old lady x
 
Just a short update.....

The young vet has been out. Can't find anything at all untoward. The only thing that was slightly unusual was lowish blood pressure. Mare has had a slight heart murmur for many years, that is still there, but unchanged. She's been given painkillers and after the vet left had a wee and ate a mouthful of food. Senior vet is on duty tomorrow, so he'll come out and have a look in the morning. My friend (YO) explained to young vet that there were to be no lengthy treatments, etc., but vet felt that it was certainly not the right thing to PTS tonight. I'll update if/when there is any change. Thanks for all your support. xx
 
You have NOTHING to feel guilty about. The dilemma you face is a difficult one, I have had a similar situation for about 8 years but I wont go into that now.

I hope the vet can put your mind at rest. I discussed this very dilemma with my vet before winter and we agreed that if a condition could be treated with a simple injection or low dose of bute then I would let her carry on, as she is field sound and has a tremendous life. Anything more then I would have to 'make that decision' as I do not wish her to have any form of prolonged treatment or prolonged box rest. That was how I made the decision, hope that is helpful.

Fingers crossed its nothing serious. It sounds as though you will not be able to live with yourself if you made the decision based on money.

You obviously love her and respect her - I selfish person would have moved her in her old age so please dont best yourself up.

I hope everything works out for you
 
You have given your mare a good life and continue to do so and it seems obvious to me that you will make the right decision based on her needs.

I also understand your mixed feelings regarding a new horse although I would do what you're doing. Looking after my girl for as long as she's got a good quality of life.

Please let us know how you mare is tomorrow.
 
Huge hugs at a difficult time xxx
Do NOT feel guilty, in any way (easy to say, I know). You have always done your best for, and by, her, and that will never change.
 
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