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Is it only us armchair riders who think AT should get the book chucked at her.. yet another pro who is sticking up for her...
This time Lucinda Green..

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"Much talk over there has been of the FEI hearing of Amy Tryon for alleged abuse of her horse Le Samurai, at the Rolex Kentucky Three Day Event. Samurai went lame before the final fence but Amy, the overnight leader, jumped it before pulling up.

The horse was later put down due to a serious leg injury. People have been quick to judge and some have sought my opinion. Only those who’ve had a horse break down under them can understand what Amy experienced. She had perhaps 10 seconds from the horse going lame to making the decision to jump the last.

In the saddle it is hard to define immediately what is going on if it has never happened to you before. I can still vividly recall experiencing something similar years ago. I had no idea that what felt like a sudden lameness behind was actually my horse dying beneath me from a burst aorta. I had just seconds to try and work out what was happening but by then the next fence was there. Amy had no longer than me to assess and react and I don’t believe it to be a case of abuse at all."

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Oh we will have everyone praising her next time for jumping the last fence, I see it as the horse went lame full stop its doesnt matter what they was trying to figure out. It amazes me they call themselves professionals even tho more novicey riders know when their horse is lame or not right so why does it differ for them. I dont care who sticks up for amy It doesnt make it ok what she did.
 
I had a horse land from a jump and tweak something. I was off that horse in 5 strides from landing. At that point she couldn't put any weight on her front leg, luckily she came sound within 10 minutes. I have never had a horse breakdown with me on its back but I knew something was wrong then and if AT couldn't tell then she shouldn't be allowed on a horse.
 
Surely if you felt something was wrong you would pull up rather than 'try and work out what was happening' first. And if you can't pull up in 10 seconds you shouldn't be going xc. Doesn't exactly give a good impression of pro's does it?!
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well the Frenchman at Badminton knew pretty quickly something was wrong and that was a very unusual and very unlucky injury and the crowd shouted at him.

Wasn't the crowd shouting at AT as well ? Bit like someone seeing you driving along with oil pouring out from under your car or something - if people are shouting at you to stop then surely you must think something is very wrong.
 
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well the Frenchman at Badminton knew pretty quickly something was wrong and that was a very unusual and very unlucky injury and the crowd shouted at him.

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I don't think he did know there was anything wrong with his horse (it was only the people on the ground who could see it bleeding), he pulled up because the crowd were shouting at him to stop and so he did...
It is interesting that the majority of "armchair quarterbacks" on here would pull up a lame horse to see what was wrong before carrying on. Much as I admire the professionals, I am disappointed that the impression now seems to be that winning comes before the welfare of the horse...
 
that possibly could be related to the fact that most of us only have one horse and so if that one is 'broken' we'd have nothing to ride

a lot of the pro's have a stable full of horses - I was watching Horse and Country TV tonight and there was a half hour on the eventers pre season training camp and Oliver T has a yard of 18 horses and lots of them were there with 4 or 5 horses.

Maybe it's not that they don't know/care but because if one breaks there is another in the stable at home that they can ride - maybe not at the same level - the program was talking to Zara and she was saying that Toytown can only ever now do a max. of 4 events a year so for her to compete she must have other horses in the stable - not european champs. ones but still ones to ride and compete

us armchair lot probably have only one horse or maybe two but not enough to afford to ignore a possible injury that could leave our one horse out of action for months and months, paying for livery and yet not being able to ride
 
I'm afraid the excuse about 'only being 10 seconds' from the final fence is wearing a little thin now - particularly in light of what happened at Badminton where Jean-Lou Bigot was also only about 10 seconds from the Colt pond and still managed to pull up. Ok, she didn't have long to make a decision but had she allowed the horse to stay in trot to, say, the corner she should have been able to tell if he was injured or tired etc. I have been galloping along a beach when the ride leader pullled back into trot for a few strides as her horse didn't feel right (he was actually fine). Surely riders at that level should be able to tell when their horse is as obviously lame as LS was.
 
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Maybe it's not that they don't know/care but because if one breaks there is another in the stable at home that they can ride

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Maybe, but I find that very sad and it makes a mockery of the eventers protestations that the sport is all about the partnership between horse and rider etc etc etc
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Hang on - I thought that it was Wideawake that died from a burst aorta and he died on the lap of honour after the prizegiving - no fence involved.
 
And that would have been a GREAT explanation from LG....IF that was what had happened. However, it is not, as we all know. I think the horse changing legs *9* times and breaking into trot *twice* tends to suggest a problem....oh and the minor fact of hopping about on 3legs....mere technicality..
 
I find this attitude of the people at the top of the sport worrying. Ever since I started riding it has been drummed into me that the horse comes first. Now we have people who are influential in the sport effectively saying that winning is more important than the horse, and that horse welfare and the rules to protect the horses shouldn't apply to the 'elite'. What kind of message is this sending to people at the lower levels of the sport? Or those who don't compete but follow the sport and look up to the likes of Mark Phillips and Lucinda Green?
I wish some top riders would stick their heads above the parapet and disagree with the official line on this incident though to do so would probably be professional suicide.
 
Yep good point sunflower - MP and LG are two VERY big names in eventing - speaking out against them would, like you say, be professional suicide.

Agree with dr weevil too, its very sad that this is giving the impression winning is more important than the horse. Out cross country Rock's trod on a flint, was instantly lame, i pulled up to trot and jumped off still in trot (after about 3strides after the incident, so what, 5seconds?).

Also like many have said, Jean lou bigot pulled up LESS than 10seconds from the colt pond!! And that horse wasn't even hopping lame. That's a real horseman.
 
The silence is rather deafening isn't it. I really wish someone would come out and say what we are all thinking.
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In my opinion, if you feel a horse is lame, or even not quite right there is no question of thinking of what to do, you pull it up.
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She had perhaps 10 seconds from the horse going lame to making the decision to jump the last.


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The horse was hopping, there was no decision to make, and the fact that the horse tried to stop itself anyway should have made any doubts going through her mind about pulling up disappear, he tried to make the decision for her.
 
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Is it only us armchair riders who think AT should get the book chucked at her.. yet another pro who is sticking up for her...
This time Lucinda Green..


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Can anyone tell me where this quote came from? I am terribly disappointed in LG. I certainly don't understand this attitude from the upper level riders. Yes, horses die - on the competition field and in their stalls. But, the risk of compounding an injury for one competition (no matter how "big" it is) or even risking one's own neck would seem to absurd. It takes many, many years and miles (as well as a great amount of talent) to make an upper level horse! On what planet does it make any sense not to slow, stop and figure out what a problem is before hurdling oneself at a large solid object at speed?

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You know what, i'm half inclined to ask Mary King's opinion on this situation on Monday at my lesson....would be intresting to see what she says....though I would most likely chicken out!

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As someone who is a great fan of MK I would be very interested to hear what she has to say too. Please ask.
 
A great shame, I have always admired LG but this comment has dropped my respect for her considerably.
 
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You know what, i'm half inclined to ask Mary King's opinion on this situation on Monday at my lesson....would be intresting to see what she says....though I would most likely chicken out!

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As someone who is a great fan of MK I would be very interested to hear what she has to say too. Please ask.

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Yes, please ask!! I asked a top American event rider what they thought, and they also stuck up for AT!! I asked if they had seen the video and they hadn't, they were only going on what they had been told!!
 
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Can anyone tell me where this quote came from? I am terribly disappointed in LG. I certainly don't understand this attitude from the upper level riders. Yes, horses die - on the competition field and in their stalls. But, the risk of compounding an injury for one competition (no matter how "big" it is) or even risking one's own neck would seem to absurd. It takes many, many years and miles (as well as a great amount of talent) to make an upper level horse! On what planet does it make any sense not to slow, stop and figure out what a problem is before hurdling oneself at a large solid object at speed?

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I too am rather upset about LG's comments.. I took part in a LG clinic this winter just gone and couldn't sing her praises highly enough after them, but she has just gone down now.. i can only hope that maybe she hasn't seen the video (like the top american rider i asked) and that her comments are only based on what she has been told...

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As a specialist in my own field who get annoyed when ignorant amateurs argue with me, if the experts in eventing say that she was correct, I would tend to go along with their opinion.
 
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