More reasons why running martingales and continue to not be friends

Caol Ila

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It's a piece of tack I've never particular liked and I freakin' hate riding in them because it messes up the connection between my hand and the bit, but that's by the by. In the last couple months, two incidents have occurred to highlight yet another reason to dislike them (no offense, of course, to everyone who feels they do them and their horses some good. I have friends who ride in running martingales...lol).

The first involved another rider falling off in the arena because her horse spooked and then started bucking. She hit the deck hard and when she didn't get up shortly thereafter, I jumped off my horse and went to see what kind of state she was in. She was conscious but in a fair bit of pain and quite winded. I talked to her but was keeping a worried eye on her horse, who was wandering loose around the arena and sniffing about, looking as though he was going to put a foot through rains and martingale, or possibly hook reins over the fence. I decided to secure him, as he's spooky and young and if he did catch himself on something, he'd most certainly have another panic attack. I thought spooky young loose horse + rider on ground = bad combination. But as horse was fidgety and had a martingale on, I didn't think it was safe to hold him and mine at the same time or stand near his fallen rider, as I had to stand right at his shoulder and couldn't easily maneuver him around. So I dropped my horse's reins on the ground and said, "STAND!" because she ground ties like an old cowboy horse if need be, and grabbed the youngster. I thought, well, if I could get this guy's reins over his head without untacking, I could hold both these horses. I was pleased I'd taught mine to ground tie, however (rider, by the way, was a bit bruised, but mostly fine), and while leaving a loose horse near a rider on the ground is not recommended, I felt I could trust in her training.

Next incident was a hack with two others, one on an old gelding and the other on a young mare. We were passing a field of about 30 head of cattle and all was fine, until one bloody cow got curious and came bounding over to the fence to say hi. My horse is very calm about many things -- tractors, bicycles, dogs, people on roller blades, kids on go karts, motorbikes, other horses acting stupid, someone riding atop a car, fly tips, deer, pheasants, but nosy cows are not one of those things. She and the young mare both spooked, which caused the whole herd to come charging up to the fence to see what the commotion was. The two mares thought a cow attack was imminent. Young mare's rider got scared and bailed out (not what I would have done). My horse, like the 20-year old experienced, mature veteran that she is, decided that if I was going to insist that she go past the cows, she was going to get it over with as quickly as possible. So she took off in a brisk canter, passing the other two horses. Not ideal, I know, but my influence with her at this point was limited to the direction of travel, not speed. Young mare's owner was quite frightened and clinging to her horse's shoulder and trying not to get run over while horse danced about. If she'd been able to get the reins over her horse's head, she wouldn't have been stuck underneath and trying to cling onto the shoulder of a frightened horse. I know that movie -- I've been in a situation where a horse freaked out and after deciding to bail, I couldn't get the reins over its head and I thought, "This was a really stupid move. I shouldn't have jumped off this horse as I'm now in a much worse position!"

So that's the trouble with a running martingale. If you're ever in a situation where you need to quickly take the reins over the horse's head, you can't!
 
Not sure in the second scenario I would be thinking about trying to get the reins over the head of a very dancy and frightened/spooky horse. Then again, I am short and I would probably make the horse worse trying to do that than if I just held tight and got past.

I get your point about them, I am not a fan either, but in any situation, there's always going to be something that could be better.
 
If I have to use a running martingale I like to have them on breastplates, with clip attachments so they can be easily & quickly detached thus freeing the reins :) Works for me :)
 
I'm currently experimenting with removing one of my horses running martingale as she is very fussy and there was an interesting thread on here a few days ago but IMVHO the reasons you give for disliking them don't seem important enough to warrant removing a piece of tack that will stop your horse putting it's head so high you loose control or get hit in the face. I have young spooky horses and have never struggled with the reins and all of mine are between 16.2-18hh and I'm 5'3.
 
I think with a frightened spooky horse its probably better to hold the rains under the chin then take the reins over the head and risk horse freaking more and pulling back potentially making bridle come off over ears.
 
I've yet to see one stop a horse from doing that. Maybe all the ones I've seen people use aren't adjusted right but over the years I've seen plenty of horses bogging off, bucking, rearing, etc. in spite of wearing a martingale.
 
A martingale isn't there to stop a horse bolting, rearing or bucking though?
I'm not trying to be nit picky but in general most horses don't mind wearing a properly fitted martingale, there will be some that object or don't go as well and there will certainly be some that wear them when they aren't really needed. I'm just surprised that it is such a big necessity to need to get the reins over a horses head to hang on them. I really can't think of an occasion where it was an issue for me?
 
I've yet to see one stop a horse from doing that. Maybe all the ones I've seen people use aren't adjusted right but over the years I've seen plenty of horses bogging off, bucking, rearing, etc. in spite of wearing a martingale.

Suddenly the phrase 'absence of evidence isn't the same as evidence of absence' came to me :D

I hope I've understood what you were saying correctly, but you won't necessarily *see* the horse that is stopped from bogging off or rearing by a running martingale, because of precisely that. It was prevented. Mine bogs off without a martingale when she gets high spirited on a hack. The martingale stops her from getting beyond the point of control so it doesn't happen. People who have only seen me hack in a martingale have no idea that my horse bogs off with me ;):p
 
I agree, hate the things.

I used to use one when jumping when i was younger as I thought you had to.
I have known better though for many years now and never use one.
If I ever did need to stop a horse raising its head I'd use a standing martingale so the reins were left well alone.

Or school it.
 
I'm currently experimenting with removing one of my horses running martingale as she is very fussy and there was an interesting thread on here a few days ago but IMVHO the reasons you give for disliking them don't seem important enough to warrant removing a piece of tack that will stop your horse putting it's head so high you loose control or get hit in the face. I have young spooky horses and have never struggled with the reins and all of mine are between 16.2-18hh and I'm 5'3.

As with all things, it comes to each individual horse and rider. If it is a safety issue, better to have something on and not need it, than need it and not have it.

I don't like them for schooling, but am not naive enough to think they can't be useful with some horses. My own ex racer had one on as a back up/safety net when I first got her so I won't be a hypocrite.

I just think when things go wrong, the small details just need dealing with...yes things could be better, but that is the wisdom of hindsight. Different scenario could bring different issues, just no way of us all having crystal balls.
 
Suddenly the phrase 'absence of evidence isn't the same as evidence of absence' came to me :D

I hope I've understood what you were saying correctly, but you won't necessarily *see* the horse that is stopped from bogging off or rearing by a running martingale, because of precisely that. It was prevented. Mine bogs off without a martingale when she gets high spirited on a hack. The martingale stops her from getting beyond the point of control so it doesn't happen. People who have only seen me hack in a martingale have no idea that my horse bogs off with me ;):p

No, but I've seen the ones who aren't stopped. That's the point. I'm sure they must work for someone and I'm quite sure they give a rider some security, even if it's only psychological. I mainly dislike them due to the way the interfere with my connection to the bit and I don't think I would find much security in one, as I have seen lots of horses play up in spite of wearing it. I have changed my mind about tack before due to a case where it actually did something no other bit of tack or riding/training could do as effectively. So when I see that, I will change my mind.:D
 
I've never had a martingale fitted so tight it interferes with my contact when schooling? They also provide a good neck strap which will vaguely stay in place if horse starts messing around too.
 
Caol Ila

You mentioned that your horse cantered on past the cattle and 2 other horses, presumably you lost control momentarily? Out of interest how did you lose control?
 
No, but I've seen the ones who aren't stopped. That's the point. I'm sure they must work for someone and I'm quite sure they give a rider some security, even if it's only psychological. I mainly dislike them due to the way the interfere with my connection to the bit and I don't think I would find much security in one, as I have seen lots of horses play up in spite of wearing it. I have changed my mind about tack before due to a case where it actually did something no other bit of tack or riding/training could do as effectively. So when I see that, I will change my mind.:D

That wasn't quite my point though. There will always be things that work for one horse but not for others. It doesn't make sense to write them off completely because it's not a universal solution :)
 
It literally takes me 10seconds to unbuckle my reins and pull the running martingale off, out hunting when we are changing horses I do it a lot whilst still sat on the other horse for leading and have never had a problem.

I am a fan of running martingales, I use them a lot and I feel that they make a difference when I'm doing fast work, the argument of not being able to get the reins over the head is a non starter for me, and I would also be concerned you cannot control what speed your own horse is going on a road.
 
Does no-one use standing martingales these days?

I am in the unbuckle camp, if I use anything nowadays it is a standing.
 
I am a fan of running martingales, I use them a lot and I feel that they make a difference when I'm doing fast work...
We use them when doing XC. We also use them when backing all WB or TB youngsters. We rarely ever need them on the young AQHAs as their neck-sets are totally different. Correctly fitted a running martingale will do absolutely nothing if the horse works nicely, however in the event a young, newly backed horse does raise it's head beyond where is safe then the rider will not end up with a broken nose. We use running martingales with the youngsters as a preventative in the very early days. None of our mature horses wear them as they are all well schooled so they're unnecessary.
 
No, but I've seen the ones who aren't stopped. That's the point. I'm sure they must work for someone and I'm quite sure they give a rider some security, even if it's only psychological. I mainly dislike them due to the way the interfere with my connection to the bit and I don't think I would find much security in one, as I have seen lots of horses play up in spite of wearing it. I have changed my mind about tack before due to a case where it actually did something no other bit of tack or riding/training could do as effectively. So when I see that, I will change my mind.:D

A correctly fitted martingale shouldn't interfere with your rein contact and only be noticed when put into use by the horse raising its head surely?

Oh and what's wrong with unbuckling the reins?
 
In the hunter/jumper classes over here almost everyone uses standing martingales (except us, we don't show in any martingales).

Almost de rigeur isn't it? :) But they always seem to be so loose that they would not serve the intended purpose anyway, H/J's are generally very well schooled (almost automatons in some cases) that I dn't thnk I have ever seen one that genuinely needs a standing.

Everyone I know uses tie downs if they use anything, I only know one family that rides English whch does explain a great deal.

SF. When I first mentioned a running martingale people were "What?" Correctly or incorrectly, they call them training forks and use them set tighter to develop a head set (rather than for the conventionally accepted British/Continental preventative use) Which is probably gibberish to most people reading this. You know what I mean though ;):)
 
I don't like running martingales either. However, trial and error with a bargy half tonne highland tells me that if I'm dismounted and trying to retain control, I actually want the reins over his neck, and to be articulating them separately between his chin and shoulder. If I take them over his head and try to lead him in the traditional manner, I have zero control. It's to do with being able to articulate the reins more clearly independently and being able to use his neck for leverage / brace the reins against his neck and force him to turn around me. For that reason, a martingale wouldn't make any odds. I'd also just undo the buckle, if I needed them over his head.

Fortunately (since you're not allowed to lead like that in TREC), I don't often need control when I'm leading as he is part dog and follows like a puppy :cool:
 
Almost de rigeur isn't it? :) But they always seem to be so loose that they would not serve the intended purpose anyway, H/J's are generally very well schooled (almost automatons in some cases) that I dn't thnk I have ever seen one that genuinely needs a standing.

Everyone I know uses tie downs if they use anything, I only know one family that rides English whch does explain a great deal.

SF. When I first mentioned a running martingale people were "What?" Correctly or incorrectly, they call them training forks and use them set tighter to develop a head set (rather than for the conventionally accepted British/Continental preventative use) Which is probably gibberish to most people reading this. You know what I mean though ;):)
Yes I know what you mean :) We don't tend to use training forks though as all of our western youngsters have had naturally low carried heads anyway but I know a lot of trainers who just use them because that's what they do with all young horses they are backing.

I'm half and half up here really. Possibly I know marginally more western riders than english and yes the standing martingales in the hunter classes used to look very silly to me as they wear them sooooo long but I'm used to seeing them like this now. I've sometimes wondered if our horses get marked down a bit because they aren't wearing martingales; it seems to be some judges only give the high prizes to horses wearing them, whilst others are more flexible on horse attire. We've had the same horses doing the same classes (at different heights with different judges) so have seen a bit of disparity going on.
 
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