More revelations on AHAR

Chocolate moonbeam said:
I may be mistaken, but I understand that a near normal shaped hoof with everything in correct alignment is the desired end for a horse with club foot, otherwise, what's the point of treatment?
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yes you maybe mistaken, because it depends why the club foot is occurring as to what the end goal is, it may well end up being taller than the other because often in these instances one leg is longer than the other too. However what you describe is not going to happen if you take the pony's shoes off months ago and just turn it away in a field is it, I don't think you can describe it as 'treatment' so far.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
The explanation given was to give her a break on grass before her operation and a long winter inside.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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And the evidence, which you are so keen on shows that clearly did not happen 2 months ago as stated by AHAR. So I for one am not particularly satisfied with that as an explanation.
 
kiskadee said:
Instead of all being up in arms about this post why don't you all use your energies to try and get change in Ireland to the appalling welfare crisis that they face. Why don't you start lobbying the Irish Parliament to try and do something about the appalling equine, then we all might be starting to help these poor animals Then you really would be doing something to help with animal welfare. In fact why are you not for those of you who are UK based, not campaigning with the British Government to bring in a minimum age that an equine can be driven and campaigning against tethering and the unwanted breeding especially of travellers horses.
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How do you know people don't already do that?
And usually what happens is a post is posted as the subject, we usually try and stay on that subject as much as possible so while all important issues they happen not to be the one being discussed here?
 
kiskadee said:
Yes its great grazing for rehab actually as its the same as I have here in Wales. The worst grass you could put a rehab case that has been starved is on good cow pasture or lush grazing. It is far better to be a good rough lay with sedge which is the thicker grass and a number of natural herbs. And yes I do know what I am talking about as an equine scientist. In respect of the poor horse that has been featured actually she does not have a club foot but contracted tendons. Treatment is a complicated and difficult one in this situtation
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as an equine scientist would you recommend putting a horse on land that was apparently a golf course and would have had toxis substances on it for a long time?
 
kiskadee said:
Yes its great grazing for rehab actually as its the same as I have here in Wales. The worst grass you could put a rehab case that has been starved is on good cow pasture or lush grazing. It is far better to be a good rough lay with sedge which is the thicker grass and a number of natural herbs. And yes I do know what I am talking about as an equine scientist. In respect of the poor horse that has been featured actually she does not have a club foot but contracted tendons. Treatment is a complicated and difficult one in this situtation
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I would agree with you if the horse had not been on other land/stable before and was reasonable fit. And Hero does have a clubfoot-caused bu contracted tendons. Clubfoot is a symptom of those.
 
stormox said:
Someone posted a question on FB where did AHAR get her from when she first went to AHAR and before she went to Abbeyfeale, it was answered that she came from the meatman. So AHAR are buying horses from the meatman to 'save' them, when really, IMHO, this particular one could have been saved a lot of suffering by being left with him.
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You are wrong, she did not come from the meat man.

https://www.facebook.com/ahar.ie/videos/1036813596338333/
 
Yes the degree of knuckling has got much, much worse.
And she has still definitely had more than 2 months out of shoes.
 
here's what my own farrier had to say-he's a registerd master farrier.And my vet.

9 month growth on soft ground, 12+ on hard.Vet assesment~ severe neglect of a tendon problem.Prognosis: unfavourable. Ra: euthanize humanely.
 
Dowjones said:
It seems to be a trend from several "rescues." I don't think it's possible to make some people see sense, as this thread clearly shows.
A blind person could see that this is sort of carry on is cruelty....
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you can't teach blind people to see. they will learn when they hurt themselves walking into corners.I'm just very sad for all the helpless souls in the 'care' of this 'rescue'
 
stormox said:
Thanks for the video and the info, you are right, it doesnt say meatman, it was on the other AHAR exposed site it said they thought she was from there. But she looks so much better in your link than she does now, after a year with AHAR
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They think lots of things on there that are pie in the sky.

They make it up as they go along usually.
 
...says the woman who believes a horse with at least 9 months hoofgrowth (according to a farrier) is being lovingly tended to with regular farrier visits
 
i just thought it was ironic you'd accuse another page of making stuff up when a lot of the stuff on the AHAR original page is pure fiction and blatantly misleading.
 
paddi22 said:
i just thought it was ironic you'd accuse another page of making stuff up when a lot of the stuff on the AHAR original page is pure fiction and blatantly misleading.
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You don't think they make stuff up?

Diggers going in and finding carcasses? Accusations of being a horse dealer, scamming, defrauding donators, bribing the DOA, dead horses on the land and that's just a few things all posted with absolutely no proof to back them up.
 
what about Marie Nic Ghinneas horses. All of who went to AHAR in excellent condition for rehoming photo proof of that) . AHAR lied about the homes they were going to. 4 months later, horses look terrible. Another woman takes one on to rehab and retrain and returns it AHAR who promise it has a home. 6 months later horse appears for sale. The woman writes to the seller who responds by saying she was told by AHAR owner it was ok to sell. The story gets worse from there. All people have proof.
 
paddi22 said:
what about Marie Nic Ghinneas horses. All of who went to AHAR in excellent condition for rehoming photo proof of that) . AHAR lied about the homes they were going to. 4 months later, horses look terrible. Another woman takes one on to rehab and retrain and returns it AHAR who promise it has a home. 6 months later horse appears for sale. The woman writes to the seller who responds by saying she was told by AHAR owner it was ok to sell. The story gets worse from there. All people have proof.
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Why would someone with apparently valuable horses sign them over to a rescue, any rescue? I find that a little bit odd, don't you?

If she didn't want to sell them, why not advertise them for loan?
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Why would someone with apparently valuable horses sign them over to a rescue, any rescue? I find that a little bit odd, don't you?

If she didn't want to sell them, why not advertise them for loan?
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Because revues are supposed to vet homes and keep in touch. Both of these things are not very well practiced at ahar
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
But doesn't signing over your pet to a rescue mean you have relinquished your rights to information about the animal?
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No it means you hope they can get it a better home than you can currently offer. Most good rescues would love to give owners a good update. They are much more likely to get donations that way. And anyway rescues SHOULD NOT be selling any animals. Again something ahar are very lenient with.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Why would someone with apparently valuable horses sign them over to a rescue, any rescue? I find that a little bit odd, don't you?

If she didn't want to sell them, why not advertise them for loan?
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i don;t think it's odd at all. Some people hate the idea of selling in case the animals life goes downhill, and they trust a charity to find a good home and keep tabs on it.

some people need to take an emotional or mental break from horses and think a charity is a good option if they can't handle the stress of finding a new homes.

Some people don't put them out on loan because they don't have the funds or circumstances to take the horses back in an emergency.

As for your point about signing over rights. That's spoken like a defensive lawyer instead of an animal lover. Why should signing it over mean your lose all right to information. I work with a charity here and people often give up horses voluntarily, and the charity has no issue in keeping the old owners updated and sending them photos. It's not an issue for them because they vet all homes and they've nothing to hide. If the charity has nothing to hide what's wrong with keeping the owner updated.
 
paddi22 said:
i don;t think it's odd at all. Some people hate the idea of selling in case the animals life goes downhill, and they trust a charity to find a good home and keep tabs on it.

some people need to take an emotional or mental break from horses and think a charity is a good option if they can't handle the stress of finding a new homes.

Some people don't put them out on loan because they don't have the funds or circumstances to take the horses back in an emergency.

As for your point about signing over rights. That's spoken like a defensive lawyer instead of an animal lover. Why should signing it over mean your lose all right to information. I work with a charity here and people often give up horses voluntarily, and the charity has no issue in keeping the old owners updated and sending them photos. It's not an issue for them because they vet all homes and they've nothing to hide. If the charity has nothing to hide what's wrong with keeping the owner updated.
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+1!! That EXACTLY the word I have been looking for when it comes to AHAR. They are great defense lawyers.Any logical argument is either not responded to, the asker gets blocked and attacked or they come up with a 'defense' that is soo far fetched you can't even see the end of the string....
 
paddi22 said:
i don;t think it's odd at all. Some people hate the idea of selling in case the animals life goes downhill, and they trust a charity to find a good home and keep tabs on it.

some people need to take an emotional or mental break from horses and think a charity is a good option if they can't handle the stress of finding a new homes.

Some people don't put them out on loan because they don't have the funds or circumstances to take the horses back in an emergency.

As for your point about signing over rights. That's spoken like a defensive lawyer instead of an animal lover. Why should signing it over mean your lose all right to information. I work with a charity here and people often give up horses voluntarily, and the charity has no issue in keeping the old owners updated and sending them photos. It's not an issue for them because they vet all homes and they've nothing to hide. If the charity has nothing to hide what's wrong with keeping the owner updated.
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Yes, I'm sure charities have time to keep tabs on every animal they have rehomed over the years. After all, it's not as if they don't have animals to tend to is it?

Charities are reliant on new owners keeping them updated, if they don't do that then what is the charity supposed to do.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Yes, I'm sure charities have time to keep tabs on every animal they have rehomed over the years. After all, it's not as if they don't have animals to tend to is it?

Charities are reliant on new owners keeping them updated, if they don't do that then what is the charity supposed to do.
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ow rubbish.Every single charity I ever worked with could tell me years after they rehomed an animal how it was doing.And if they didn't know straight away they would find out and respond.Problem with AHAR is that they don't even like you asking. Again, circular argument, not relevant to Hero and it is quite obvious to me that some people are simply too stupid to accept that soemthing is wrong when it's blatantly obvious to see for anyone with at least 1 braincell.
 
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