More revelations on AHAR

Dobiegirl said:
It must pee you off that you cant report us or get the army to send us nasty threatening pms, everyone on this thread is not involved with the expose page but its funny how reading all the replies from people who have had dealings with Ahar and none of it is good. Doesnt that strike you as odd.
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Why would I want to get anyone to send you anything.

I'm quite capable of voicing my own opinions on my own thanks.
 
as a resident hoof geek
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If those hooves only had remedial shoes off 2 months ago you need to sack the farrier, I would actually say that that huge event line on the good hoof likely represents when the hooves came off......
 
Mollylittle said:
I have.
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So have I, about 3 months ago. It wasn't ideal by any means, but not exactly the Pit of Hell that many people are making it out to be. I've been to other amatuer rescues that were similar (some worse), which is why I feel that the whole business of animal "rescues" should be funded and regulated by the government - with hefty and potent enforcement regulation attached.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Hero has a congenital club foot, meaning she was born with it.
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That wasn't what i asked you. Its a yes or no question. Yes or no? Would you keep a horse in that condition (in awful condition, hobbling, not having correct farrier treatment). Would you? do you think thats right? yes or no?
 
ester said:
I notice you haven't replied to my comment on the other horses also in the field.

But anyone who can't see that an invited journo is unlikely to get the full story in this situation is a bit odd in my estimation anyway. The same that it is hard to take anyone who states that was a luxury piece of land truthfully.

but yes Molly, plenty of hoof geeks on here :p
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I'm sorry, I must have missed that comment.

I'm sure if you look at AHAR's facebook page you will see Hero and the skinny chestnut on there.
 
I wouldnt, Paddi and I believe (having seen a mare like this before) that it isnt always treatable, shoes may help as may a tendon desmotomy to increase tendon length. It is the shortened tendons cause the club foot -'ballerina syndrome'- sometimes they have to be PTS as foals. Maybe that is why this pony was at the meatmans in the first place, which brings us round to the question "should rescues buy indiscriminately from the meatman"
 
stormox said:
I wouldnt, Paddi and I believe (having seen a mare like this before) that it isnt always treatable, shoes may help as may a tendon desmotomy to increase tendon length. It is the shortened tendons cause the club foot -'ballerina syndrome'- sometimes they have to be PTS as foals. Maybe that is why this pony was at the meatmans in the first place, which brings us round to the question "should rescues buy indiscriminately from the meatman"
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Does AHAR have a no euth policy because looking at that poor girl it wouldn't be the worse thing to happen to her.
 
There is no way a farrier saw those hooves two months ago. not a chance. If chocolate moonbeam thinks that adequate care of an animal then they need to honestly stay away from animals and get a basic education on horse care. absolute cruelty, it broke my heart seeing that poor horse hobbling round. Anyone who can't see that has a serious issue
 
ester said:
Does AHAR have a no euth policy because looking at that poor girl it wouldn't be the worse thing to happen to her.
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Agreed. My main criticism of this rescue is that they seem to believe that "love" is a justifiable excuse for keeping animals alive that should really be euthanised. There are too many "he died in my arms, but he knew he was loved" posts for my comfort levels.
 
ester said:
as a resident hoof geek
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If those hooves only had remedial shoes off 2 months ago you need to sack the farrier, I would actually say that that huge event line on the good hoof likely represents when the hooves came off......
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And here she was a year ago. Her hoofs were almost vertical then.

 
stormox said:
I wouldnt, Paddi and I believe (having seen a mare like this before) that it isnt always treatable, shoes may help as may a tendon desmotomy to increase tendon length. It is the shortened tendons cause the club foot -'ballerina syndrome'- sometimes they have to be PTS as foals. Maybe that is why this pony was at the meatmans in the first place, which brings us round to the question "should rescues buy indiscriminately from the meatman"
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I don't think she came from the meatman.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I don't think she came from the meatman.
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i notice you still don't answer a basic yes or no on whether you think it's acceptable to keep a horse in that condition. I can't take you seriously at all if you keep hiding behind absolute lies that you've fallen for such, as believing a farrier had been near that horse - when anyone with even a basic knowledge of hooves knows thats not true in any way shape or form.
 
paddi22 said:
i notice you still don't answer a basic yes or no on whether you think it's acceptable to keep a horse in that condition. I can't take you seriously at all if you keep hiding behind absolute lies that you've fallen for such, as believing a farrier had been near that horse - when anyone with even a basic knowledge of hooves knows thats not true in any way shape or form.
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I would do all I could for her. I understand the next step for her is an operation as corrective shoeing obviously hasn't worked.

And yes, she was shod as there are photographs of her being shod and photos of her with shoes on her feet.
 
If you were a regular on this forum you might have noticed a year ago about a rescue called The Egypt Horse Project, based funnily enough in Egypt, lots of people who had never been there or Egypt commented on it and all had an opinion on it.

People commenting now wont have been to Ahar although they seem to be some people local to that area but this is a free forum and we are allowed to discuss these things.

Ahar donators are mostly from abroad anyway and Ahar dont have a problem accepting their money so just because most of us live in England doesnt mean our opinions are not valid, cruelty is cruelty wherever it is.
 
Dobiegirl said:
If you were a regular on this forum you might have noticed a year ago about a rescue called The Egypt Horse Project, based funnily enough in Egypt, lots of people who had never been there or Egypt commented on it and all had an opinion on it.

People commenting now wont have been to Ahar although they seem to be some people local to that area but this is a free forum and we are allowed to discuss these things.

Ahar donators are mostly from abroad anyway and Ahar dont have a problem accepting their money so just because most of us live in England doesnt mean our opinions are not valid, cruelty is cruelty wherever it is.
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But you seem to have a problem with me having an opinion.

What are the rules here, only anti AHAR people can comment?
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I would do all I could for her. I understand the next step for her is an operation as corrective shoeing obviously hasn't worked.

And yes, she was shod as there are photographs of her being shod and photos of her with shoes on her feet.
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for how long was she shod, because her last set of shoes did not come off 2 months previously. I am sure operating and the post op rehab will however go swimmingly for her.

Anyone can comment, but I think a bit of commonsense helps :p those that seem to think that this pony's hooves are in better nick now than a year ago and were deshod 2 months ago are just coming from a place in lala land.
 
ester said:
sorry so you think they look better now?! with that nice slipper effect going on?! You clearly have no idea of hoof biomechanics.
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Please quote where I said it looks better now. I don't actually however think it looks a massive amount worse than it did back then.

Only major difference is longer hoofs. The knuckling at the fetlock was evident then as it is now and that can be seen at the beginning of the video of her.
 
ester said:
for how long was she shod, because her last set of shoes did not come off 2 months previously. I am sure operating and the post op rehab will however go swimmingly for her.

Anyone can comment, but I think a bit of commonsense helps :p those that seem to think that this pony's hooves are in better nick now than a year ago and were deshod 2 months ago are just coming from a place in lala land.
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I've no idea, why don't you ask the farrier.
 
you said they were almost vertical
I do not see that as a bad thing,
so what was your point?
I have seen the pictures of how they looked previously and when they were shod, I didn't need your picture which isn't a good pic to tell angles from anyway.
It doesn't stop them being shocking now, and many months deshod.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I've no idea, why don't you ask the farrier.
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Because he isn't on this forum suggesting that this pony's feet and situation have not deteriorated and that AHAR are correct in saying shoes were only removed 2 months ago, that is why.

I mean I would have thought it was obvious that on a discussion on a forum you are talking to the people on the forum, not random other people?! :confused3:
 
ester said:
you said they were almost vertical
I do not see that as a bad thing,
so what was your point?
I have seen the pictures of how they looked previously and when they were shod, I didn't need your picture which isn't a good pic to tell angles from anyway.
It doesn't stop them being shocking now, and many months deshod.
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Vertical hoofs isn't the correct way to treat it though is it?

At least not from the information I've been looking at.
 
ester said:
Because he isn't on this forum suggesting that this pony's feet and situation have not deteriorated and that AHAR are correct in saying shoes were only removed 2 months ago, that is why.

I mean I would have thought it was obvious that on a discussion on a forum you are talking to the people on the forum, not random other people?! :confused3:
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Well he would be the one with the information you want. Hence, it is obvious he would be the one to contact to get the answers you want.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I would do all I could for her. I understand the next step for her is an operation as corrective shoeing obviously hasn't worked.

And yes, she was shod as there are photographs of her being shod and photos of her with shoes on her feet.
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thats rubbish. That means you think its ok to have a crippled, sore, badly conditioned horse hobbling round uncared for in a rough field. They ARENT doing everything they can for her, very obviously they aren't. Her feet were in much better condition before. she has gotten WORSE with them. She might have been shod at one stage. but she is worse now.

There are worse things than being pts peacefully for a horse. There is loss of dignity, loss of quality of life, ignorance of care. and the kindest thing would have been to put that horse to sleep.

Of course they will get donations for an operation. And do you think their quality of care after the operation can be trusted? Honestly? If they've shown the low level of care they have after a farrier visit?
 
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