More revelations on AHAR

Chocolate moonbeam said:
Except as I understand it, there is no rehoming fee for horses.
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I may have mentioned horses earlier in response to your dealer comment but you will note in the post you quoted I specifically said 'animals' on the basis that I imagine that they have a much higher turn over of smaller beasts.
 
ester said:
I may have mentioned horses earlier in response to your dealer comment but you will note in the post you quoted I specifically said 'animals' on the basis that I imagine that they have a much higher turn over of smaller beasts.
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They do, but as I'm sure you are aware many of the dogs come from the pound and owner surrender.

Only a few are acquired from fairs.

Do you have a problem with the people at the Yulin festival purchasing dogs too?
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
They do, but as I'm sure you are aware many of the dogs come from the pound and owner surrender.

Only a few are acquired from fairs.

Do you have a problem with the people at the Yulin festival purchasing dogs too?
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I think most people would have a problem if they bought them, as a rescue and charity, and then charged for re-homing them, as that sounds like dealing rather than any form of rescue.
 
YorksG said:
I think most people would have a problem if they bought them, as a rescue and charity, and then charged for re-homing them, as that sounds like dealing rather than any form of rescue.
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So you'd be happy for them to purchase them, pay for all their veterinary treatment and then not recoup any of the costs to help the next animals that come along, purchased from abusers, found wandering the streets or whatever?
 
I am not happy about them purchasing animals and maintaining a paying outlet for them for bin end breeders of ireland. It is that first part I have issue with, however 'few' it is.
I have no issue with rehoming fees.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
der.

Only a few are acquired from fairs.

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I do know they showed on their page 7 dogs bought at Puck,and thats just one fair. Most of them were in good condition. But what bothers me most is that they buy dogs (and other animals) early in the day, so stopping nice, ordinary homes, that would be a home for life, buying them.
I know buying at a fair isnt the best thing to do, but the ordinary person buying is buying a dog for themselves as a pet, and if AHAR buy them they are encouraging 'back yard breeders' as much as a pet person buying.
 
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Chocolate moonbeam said:
They do, but as I'm sure you are aware many of the dogs come from the pound and owner surrender.

Only a few are acquired from fairs.

Do you have a problem with the people at the Yulin festival purchasing dogs too?
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buying from fairs encourages those people to go off and breed more. the money would be better spent education people to rehome from pounds or regulated breeders. AHAR are making the situation WORSE! those fair breeders just go home and breed another batch, they must be delighted to have guaranteed punters at the fairs. If they went to the fair and noone ever bought puppies they'd stop doing it. AHAR are actually enabling these fair breeders.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
So you'd be happy for them to purchase them, pay for all their veterinary treatment and then not recoup any of the costs to help the next animals that come along, purchased from abusers, found wandering the streets or whatever?
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So if they do all that for the dogs - lets for a moment accept that - why are there no rehoming fees for the horses as you state? Doesn't that imply they do not get any treatment before rehoming?
 
The pigeon looked in pretty good nick too :p.

That isn't rescue it is just buying animals in good condition and there is no reasons to say that the unvetted homes they are sent to by AHAR who then don't keep any tabs on them as already established because they can't manage excel will be any better than those of other people buying them at the fair.
 
ester said:
I am not happy about them purchasing animals and maintaining a paying outlet for them for bin end breeders of ireland. It is that first part I have issue with, however 'few' it is.
I have no issue with rehoming fees.
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Ok, so next time you go to the republic of ireland, make sure you take a bin bag with you to pick up all those little dead animals up as it seems to me this has become a real issue and not just there.

Personally, I would rather a few quid change hands than pick up the abused and broken bodies of animals that never asked to be born.
 
paddi22 said:
buying from fairs encourages those people to go off and breed more. the money would be better spent education people to rehome from pounds or regulated breeders. AHAR are making the situation WORSE! those fair breeders just go home and breed another batch, they must be delighted to have guaranteed punters at the fairs. If they went to the fair and noone ever bought puppies they'd stop doing it. AHAR are actually enabling these fair breeders.
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I'm aware of that, however those animals are there and in some cases will die a horrible death if someone doesn't take them.

Not quite sure that sits well with me to be quite honest with you.
 
there has to be some kind of rehoming fee. My one's came with a suggested donation, and its covers exactly the cost of a vet checkup, farrier, worming, passport and microchipping. All the receipt and documents and proof it's been done are made available for this at the time. It's a bad system if they don't, surely future owners would understand the need to cover the passporting etc?
 
As lax as the RSPCA can be over here, this hoarding establishment is lucky it's in Ireland as clearly they have no laws what so ever in place to deal with hoarding on such a big scale but not only that. the deceit and monetary gain as well as cruelty under the guise of rescue. It's beggars belief. Rescues don't fuel cruelty they actively seek to stamp it out. Going to fairs and buying in animals is no different to buying stock from a puppy farmer. And the more ironic part is they go from a fair to another hell altogether when they land at AHAR.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Ok, so next time you go to the republic of ireland, make sure you take a bin bag with you to pick up all those little dead animals up as it seems to me this has become a real issue and not just there.

Personally, I would rather a few quid change hands than pick up the abused and broken bodies of animals that never asked to be born.
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eh, i AM in the republic or ireland.

and there'd be less bin bags of dead puppies as you mention, if AHAR weren't giving CASH to the people breeding them! And encouraging them to breeed more. They are being born BECAUSE people like AHAR are buying them
 
CAYLA said:
As lax as the RSPCA can be over here, this hoarding establishment is lucky it's in Ireland as clearly they have no laws what so ever in place to deal with hoarding on such a big scale but not only that. the deceit and monetary gain as well as cruelty under the guise of rescue. It's beggars belief. Rescues don't fuel cruelty they actively seek to stamp it out. Going to fairs and buying in animals is no different to buying stock from a puppy farmer. And the more ironic part is they go from a fair to another hell altogether when they land at AHAR.
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Have you the evidence to prove your claim here.

If so, lets see it.
 
paddi22 said:
eh, i AM in the republic or ireland.

and there'd be less bin bags of dead puppies as you mention, if AHAR weren't giving CASH to the people breeding them! And encouraging them to breeed more. They are being born BECAUSE people like AHAR are buying them
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AHAR are responsible for all the puppy breeders in the whole of the Republic of Ireland?

They are buying thousands of puppies from the breeders each year?

Do you realise how mad you sound?
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Ok, so next time you go to the republic of ireland, make sure you take a bin bag with you to pick up all those little dead animals up as it seems to me this has become a real issue and not just there.

Personally, I would rather a few quid change hands than pick up the abused and broken bodies of animals that never asked to be born.
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Surely something will have eaten them by then :p
 
paddi22 said:
eh, i AM in the republic or ireland.

and there'd be less bin bags of dead puppies as you mention, if AHAR weren't giving CASH to the people breeding them! And encouraging them to breeed more. They are being born BECAUSE people like AHAR are buying them
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Chocolate moonbeam said:
AHAR are responsible for all the puppy breeders in the whole of the Republic of Ireland?

They are buying thousands of puppies from the breeders each year?

Do you realise how mad you sound?
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err paddi said people like ahar, not just ahar......
 
like i believe in retraining sulky racer rescues to go on to be nice allrounders. doing that you have two options


1, Go to the sulky racer owners who are mistreating the horses and offer to buy the horse you feel so sorry for
PROs: you get the horse
CONS: you give cash to the owners who then go off and probably buy two more to breed as they have a market now for them
Overall result: situation made worse and more horses kept in probably worse condition

2.Go to an established regulated charity who work with the council to rehome healthy ones that have been impounded. Work and help the council to improve laws to impound them. Petition to change laws so they cant race on roads and help improve their overall quality of life.
PROS you get a horse to help, the owners have the horses impounded due to improving laws, the charity have an extra space free to help another horse,
CONS : none

thats the difference. you still get the same reward of helping a horse, but in the second situation the overall scenario is getting better. in the first one you are actually making the situation worse, despite your good intention
 
Its the difference between helping the one, and helping the whole sorry situation really isn't it? A big more bigger picture thinking.
 
CAYLA said:
As lax as the RSPCA can be over here, this hoarding establishment is lucky it's in Ireland as clearly they have no laws what so ever in place to deal with hoarding on such a big scale but not only that. the deceit and monetary gain as well as cruelty under the guise of rescue. It's beggars belief. Rescues don't fuel cruelty they actively seek to stamp it out. Going to fairs and buying in animals is no different to buying stock from a puppy farmer. And the more ironic part is they go from a fair to another hell altogether when they land at AHAR.
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agree Cayla.However, the legal definition of hoarding is such:

Animal hoarding is keeping a higher-than-usual number of animals as domestic pets without ability to properly house or care for them, while at the same time denying this inability. Compulsive hoarding can be characterized as a symptom of mental disorder rather than deliberate cruelty towards animals. Hoarders are deeply attached to their pets and find it extremely difficult to let the pets go. They typically cannot comprehend that they are harming their pets by failing to provide them with proper care. Hoarders tend to believe that they provide the right amount of care for their pets.
AHAR has no issues letting Animals go. As such, this does not qualify as hoarding. Simply as animal abuse
 
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