"Most horses rear and buck at some point" (?)

see now i find that interesting because a possible owner does not specify around what time has the horse ever done it so i suppose in that case then a horse could be excused of that with it been a big transition for them and a learning curve.
 
Which is exactly my point.

When most people buy a horse it will have been owned and schooled by somebody else, and therefore you will inherit problems/habits it has been allowed to get away with by somebody else. If that horse then occasionally tries it on, I do not think it is the riders fault, provided the problem is improving rather than worsening.
 
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Could be true, depending on what the seller classifies as bucking and rearing or in the way the buyer asks....

If you asked "Has the horse any history of bucking or rearing" then I would be led to believe that they want to know whether the horse has a continual problem, not whether the horse has got excited, etc. So the owner, in all honesty could very well answer no- That doesn't mean that the horse hasn't given the occasionally excited buck or little leap, or won't in the future but that the owners do not believe it to be a recurring vice......


Saying that, if my horse would lift its feet up or buck when excited (say when it is faced with an open field, etc) each time, then I would think to be honest to the potential purchaser and say that the horse can do a little bounce when excited...........That is honest enough?
 
Most horses will buck from excitment with a rider on at some point in their lives.

Both mine have a HUGE buck, and Bloss is always bucking and squeeling out hacking as she gets really excited
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I love it, dosent bother me in the slightest, however i wont let anyone else ride her out incase she does it with them and unseats them as she literally leaps 6feet in the air and squeels
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Bloss used to rear when i hunted her - for example when waiting to jump (she went over backwards on me once out hunting) and she also used to rear on sponsored rides, oh and she reared in the prizegiving at the Nationals too
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its just excitment, and her rears are nothing like Archies!!!!

As everyone on here knows Archie rears. His rearing has got less, however im currently not hacking him out as this was when he was at his worst - he goes for a short hack round the block, but anything more blows his mind. He no longer rears in dressage tests, but can be like an unexploaded bomb in warmup arenas if they are busy. Oh, and he can just bronk suddenly for no reason when you are schooling aswell - we were doing simple changes last night and he suddenly bronked from one side of the arena to the other! he just gets excited and cant contain himself - its because hes young and lacks confidence. There is nothing wrong with him pyshically as he gets physio/tack and teeth done every 3 months at the moment.
 
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Which is exactly my point.

When most people buy a horse it will have been owned and schooled by somebody else, and therefore you will inherit problems/habits it has been allowed to get away with by somebody else. If that horse then occasionally tries it on, I do not think it is the riders fault, provided the problem is improving rather than worsening.

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This is also my point, someone when training the horse, allowed the fault to develop, then some poor unsuspecting soul buys the animal and has to deal with the problem and sort it out - and no, in that situation it is not the riding/training of the new owner who has caused it BUT it is the riding/traiining of the original owner that is responsible, therefore it is a riding/training problem
 
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well said spiral and lets face it the most gem of a horse will try it on at least once whilst been backed be it a tiny bunny hop or a little buck or even a nap.

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I couldn't have said it better myself

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So if the gem of a horse does one skip with the person who breaks it in, who then sells it on to someone who after 3 years sells it on when it has never reared/bucked or hopped that vendor is a automatically a lier?
 
well in my experience everything i have come across has had a pop be it when it gets leaned across for the first time or its first comp.
 
Why would they be a liar?

If they said horse has never reared or bucked with them, then it is true. If they say horse has never reared or bucked to their knowledge, it is true.
 
I might be slightly mad but I would prefer a rearer over a strong horse any day. Having just come back from a fractured clavicle after my horse, who is a regular rearer, reared up and fell over I feel I may have some expertise in this area!! I have always know that he rears, he also bucks occasionaly but never as an evasion, the rearing on the other hand is deffinately an evasion. I quite like it as it really makes me ride, owning him has increased my confindence 10 fold, and as i have only fallen off him once in two years i consider it pretty good going.

I do think most horses buck. Micah my other ex racer has the sweetest temp and would never rear or buck unless he has no other way of telling me something, i.e he has bucked his previous owner off (and quite spectatcuarly) and as old owner is good event rider I know he has the capability to send me flying however he only did it because he had some serious back issues that needed addressing.

So i would deffinately tell a buyer about sprites rearing, as its quite frequent if he gets behind the aids but i would not mention micahs bucking. Personally i feel to many people are looking for a safe bet and forget that horses are not machines and so occasionaly act like horses!

evenag114 - Have now ridden spritely twice since fractured clavicle yey!!!!
 
nope like I said, still try the horse out, if it seem very genuine the owner probably is correct,

When I went to try a pony for a friend we asked had it ever bucked and they said yes on its first day hunting, this shows the the owner is not trying to hide this. The week before we saw a pony, they said never bucked but as soon as it was asked to canter it bronked around the feild, we happen to know the neighbours and apparently it always did that, so the owner clearly was lying.
 
dosent bother me in the slightest anymore, Archie's rearing used to, his bronking dosent tho. Im so used to Bloss that i dont care what she does!! And at least i know that shes enjoying life!
 
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well in my experience everything i have come across has had a pop be it when it gets leaned across for the first time or its first comp.

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Hot seat maybe.
 
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Why would they be a liar?

If they said horse has never reared or bucked with them, then it is true. If they say horse has never reared or bucked to their knowledge, it is true.

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Read the original post Spiral. Rara said when asking the question has the horse ever bucked or reared if the vendor answered 'no' she would question their honesty.
 

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I always ask if it has EVER reared or bucked when ridden, and most horses will have done so it tests the horses owner honesty, if they say it has ask for an explanation, if it hasn't try it and see if you think they could be genuine..

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That is what I had said exactly, on another post.
 
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I always ask if it has EVER reared or bucked when ridden, and most horses will have done so it tests the horses owner honesty, if they say it has ask for an explanation, if it hasn't try it and see if you think they could be genuine..

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That is what I had said exactly, on another post.

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That's because pups quoted your other post
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That is what I had said exactly, on another post.

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So how does it test their honesty? It doesn't at all.
 
I assumed she meant with them - very few people have known the horse since birth.

When I ask if a horse bucks or rears, I know I am referring to whether it has since the present owners have known it. If they say no I would take it to mean it never has as far as they are aware.
 
again jumping to conclusions everything i have come across does not mean i have ridden friends horses and horses i have been involved with.

To me its a way of them expressing what sort of mood they are in.
 
When looking at horses I am always seceptical about the owners honestly, the last horse i looked for for a friend about 75% of the horses we lame or in very poor condition or totally unsuitable, maybe i have been unlucky and just come across many bad ones.
 
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again jumping to conclusions everything i have come across does not mean i have ridden friends horses and horses i have been involved with.

To me its a way of them expressing what sort of mood they are in.

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How am I jumping to conclusions?

So because Ernie has never bucked or reared out hunting, hacking, jumping in the school he's a sad and unhappy horse? Baring in mind he's also an ex point to pointer.
 
Most horses I've had have done the odd excited buck but not to get me off. I had one pony who used to buck me off, she wasn't nasty but she'd learnt she could get away with it and when I learnt to sit it she hardly ever did it, once or twice she did a mini rear. A lot of horses do the occasional excited buck or mini rear but only those who do to to intentionally get you off are what I'd call buckers or rearers. Rearers are much more dangerous than buckers IMO.
 
If I rang about a horse and was told it had bucked, my assumption would be that I was being told just enough to ensure I couldn't protest when, after week one it bronked across a field.
It woudl depend on the job I wanted it to do whether it would put me off.
 
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I assumed she meant with them - very few people have known the horse since birth.

When I ask if a horse bucks or rears, I know I am referring to whether it has since the present owners have known it. If they say no I would take it to mean it never has as far as they are aware.

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But Rara would then question their honesty...I think that is wrong.
 
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