My girl has laminitis again

kirstykate said:
HUGE Amounts of vibes on route as I type, so sorry to read this. Big hugs for you too!! Is she on a gut balancer? Charcoal?? Magnesium:)?
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Aw thank you. It's ironic really, I have just had to come in as I got all dizzy and faint. I didn't feel like lunch but had two chocolate limes and now I think I'm having a sugar crash. It's happened before. I think I am coming out in sympathy with my mare. :o

I think the pro hoof has yea sac and magnesium in it and the pure easy has brewers yeast and magnesium in it so she should be covered.
 
Wagtail said:
Aw thank you. It's ironic really, I have just had to come in as I got all dizzy and faint. I didn't feel like lunch but had two chocolate limes and now I think I'm having a sugar crash. It's happened before. I think I am coming out in sympathy with my mare. :o

I think the pro hoof has yea sac and magnesium in it and the pure easy has brewers yeast and magnesium in it so she should be covered.
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You take it easy cant have you off your feet aswell:p:D;)

Try the fine fettle charcoal, mops up toxins, the wee fat pony is on Calmag Protexin gut bal and the charcoal and we have never looked back, its not that expensive, well cheaper then the vets fees!!! worth a shot:)
 
kirstykate said:
You take it easy cant have you off your feet aswell:p:D;)

Try the fine fettle charcoal, mops up toxins, the wee fat pony is on Calmag Protexin gut bal and the charcoal and we have never looked back, its not that expensive, well cheaper then the vets fees!!! worth a shot:)
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definitely. Will get some. Thankyou.
 
The first issue is to determine what the cause(s) of the laminitis are and it may be more than one factor.
For instance it may not be just Cushings it could also be something else. One thing that people are unaware of are that emerging encysted small red worm can cause laminitis as well as a number of other things. It may be useful to get your vet to do a blood test to see if they can find anything else that may be causing it. (Insulin intolerance being another one)
 
OWLIE185 said:
The first issue is to determine what the cause(s) of the laminitis are and it may be more than one factor.
For instance it may not be just Cushings it could also be something else. One thing that people are unaware of are that emerging encysted small red worm can cause laminitis as well as a number of other things. It may be useful to get your vet to do a blood test to see if they can find anything else that may be causing it. (Insulin intolerance being another one)
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Thanks, yes she is insulin resistant as well as having Cushings. :( She is back on the metformin and it looks as though this will be a permanent thing for her. She was dosed with Pramox at the beginning of December and also had a negative worm count so I don't think it is that. But you are right there are many causes, and it is not always one thing. It can be a combination.
 
Spring Feather said:
Sorry to read this Wagtail. You're a diligent owner and if anyone can get her right again, it'll be you.
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I have to say, I never thought something like laminitis would get her. She overcame a shattered shoulder and being written off by Rossdales to come back after three years to being ridden again, but it seems laminitis will be our achilles heel. She is obviously incredibly sensitive. I find it hard to believe that she could come from being completely tolerant to all feeds to this in only a year. :confused:

I do now wonder if her very slight intermittent lameness that I used to put down to riding in the arena that was too deep, could actually have been low grade laminitis. It got me thinking the other day because of course deep arenas coincide with summer. Maybe she has been sensitive all along, for many years and I have missed it (as have the vets).
 
Sorry to hear this, Wagtail.
If I were you I'd check the starch/sugar levels of the Pure Easy, which I believe are quite high. I have some proprietary brand chopped, unmolassed oat straw chaff which is declared to be low in sugar.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Sorry to hear this, Wagtail.
If I were you I'd check the starch/sugar levels of the Pure Easy, which I believe are quite high. I have some proprietary brand chopped, unmolassed oat straw chaff which is declared to be low in sugar.
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Yes, the Pure Easy is 10% combined starch and sugar but she only has half a scoop for her meds and has recovered from lami twice before this with the same feed. Sadly, she is a fussy eater and I have to load it with spearmint as she has her micronized linseed, metformin, prascend and her pro hoof (which she hates) in with it. There is no way she would eat it in plain chaff.:(
 
kirstykate said:
You take it easy cant have you off your feet aswell:p:D;)

Try the fine fettle charcoal, mops up toxins, the wee fat pony is on Calmag Protexin gut bal and the charcoal and we have never looked back, its not that expensive, well cheaper then the vets fees!!! worth a shot:)
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Do you know what?? I don't often think about it but I also think charcoal had an effect on my lami boy...

A vote for charcoal from me too!
 
Mine had a recurrence of the lami due to haylage. Farrier said it was too acidic for him? Been fine since back on hay.

he also said Milk Thistle is really good at removing toxins so you could try that. I am planning on using it should mine get the dreaded L again.

Mine recovered on fast fibre. He's also getting rosehips which seem to be helping.

Hope yours gets better soon. It's a total nightmare isn't it? I am twitchy about mine being turned out at the moment due to frozen grass!
 
doriangrey said:
If you don't mind me asking, is it just the haylage you are having tested or the haylage and straw combined? It was flagged up on the Nutrition course that straw can contain up to 30% sugar which would be very bad for an IR horse. Sorry if you've covered this and I hope she gets better soon :)
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^^^^ this
I hope shes on the mend soon wagtail, an awful worry for you
 
I know how you feel WT :( it's a horrible horrible thing to have to be weighing up the food options, weight, grass, sugars and everything constantly and you still get caught out! It's such a frustrating disease!!
 
Honey08 said:
So sorry, you were doing so well, and such a nice mare. Fingers crossed you get it under control very soon.xx
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Thank you. :)

noblesteed said:
Mine had a recurrence of the lami due to haylage. Farrier said it was too acidic for him? Been fine since back on hay.

he also said Milk Thistle is really good at removing toxins so you could try that. I am planning on using it should mine get the dreaded L again.

Mine recovered on fast fibre. He's also getting rosehips which seem to be helping.

Hope yours gets better soon. It's a total nightmare isn't it? I am twitchy about mine being turned out at the moment due to frozen grass!
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Thank you. I haven't tried milk thistle. Unfortunately she ate the fast fibre the first time but then stuck he nose up at it. :(

Marydoll said:
^^^^ this
I hope shes on the mend soon wagtail, an awful worry for you
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Thank you. :)

Montyforever said:
I know how you feel WT :( it's a horrible horrible thing to have to be weighing up the food options, weight, grass, sugars and everything constantly and you still get caught out! It's such a frustrating disease!!
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Yes, frustration is the most apt word for it. That and worry. Every time she comes down with it I wonder how much longer she's got. :(
 
No constructive advice to offer, but hope she picks up soon. The positive thing is that you've spotted it early and are doing all the right things, so let's hope it's just a blip and she'll be out in her new saddle soon. :)

It's amazing how 'laminitis aware' you get with experience of it isn't it!
 
touchstone said:
No constructive advice to offer, but hope she picks up soon. The positive thing is that you've spotted it early and are doing all the right things, so let's hope it's just a blip and she'll be out in her new saddle soon. :)

It's amazing how 'laminitis aware' you get with experience of it isn't it!
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Sure is. :)

Littlelegs said:
I'm so sorry, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you xxx.
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Thank you, Littlelegs. :)
 
ApacheWarlord said:
I'm so sorry to read this, after she was doing so well.

Hope she picks up really soon x
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Thank you. I've just been in to feed her. She now has to have two feeds, just because the metformin needs dividing into two. She is very bright and cheeky. Not on any danilon at the minute, so hopefully I have caught it in time. I think the main factor has been the withdrawal of the metformin as she really picked up last time as soon as I got her on it. Fingers crossed it will work for her this time. She still has her imprint shoes on so she has good frog support as well as a deep wood pellet bed.
 
Wagtail said:
Yes, none of us are having much luck at our yard. The foal has had to have an op for his OCD. His Mum is being treated for gastric ulcers, the big WB is having to go to Rossdales for a bonescan for various ridden problems and obscure lameness, the cob 'is not right' but can't put our fingers on it, my boy has had the op for kissing spines but it has failed, and now this. We only have the lovely grey hanovarian in full action. We are all queueing up to ride him. :D
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Bet the vets love you :D
 
Sorry to hear about your mare, Laminitis is a such a pain!

I had a nightmare with my old gelding, he was so sensitive to changes in the grass that even more than two hours out at grass would effect him. It was truely heartbreaking to see him like it.

Hope she improves!
 
BlackVelvet said:
Sorry to hear about your mare, Laminitis is a such a pain!

I had a nightmare with my old gelding, he was so sensitive to changes in the grass that even more than two hours out at grass would effect him. It was truely heartbreaking to see him like it.

Hope she improves!
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Thank you. Yes, it is heartbreaking when they are really bad. She's quite comfortable though compared with how she was last time. I did give her a danilon this morning, more for its anti inflamatory effects than as a pain killer. Walked her out a few yards to tie her up whilst I mucked out and she is not noticably lame after the danilon, just a tiny bit sluggish. Hopefully I have caught it in good time. Silly mare was banging her door with the worst affected foot this afternoon because she wanted to go out. I am hoping if she continues to improve she may be able to go out after the weekend. :)
 
doriangrey said:
If you don't mind me asking, is it just the haylage you are having tested or the haylage and straw combined? It was flagged up on the Nutrition course that straw can contain up to 30% sugar which would be very bad for an IR horse. Sorry if you've covered this and I hope she gets better soon :)
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Are you sure?? I disagree with this. Straw is a the woody fibrous stem - it should be high in fibre and lignin which is not overly digestible.

Hay can be high in sugar, hence soaking it to leech out the sugars, but straw has always been known as a low nutritional value fibre feedstuff.
 
Wagtail said:
Silly mare was banging her door with the worst affected foot this afternoon because she wanted to go out.
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Lol! I wonder if that's because it is sore to bear all her weight so uses the other one for that and the worst to bang with. x
Glad to read she's improved. Had the metformin been altered too I missed it on the thread?

Fingers still tightly crossed. x
 
YasandCrystal said:
Are you sure?? I disagree with this. Straw is a the woody fibrous stem - it should be high in fibre and lignin which is not overly digestible.

Hay can be high in sugar, hence soaking it to leech out the sugars, but straw has always been known as a low nutritional value fibre feedstuff.
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I had heard that some straw can be as high in sugar as some hay, but I never heard it could be as high as 30%.

amandap said:
Lol! I wonder if that's because it is sore to bear all her weight so uses the other one for that and the worst to bang with. x
Glad to read she's improved. Had the metformin been altered too I missed it on the thread?

Fingers still tightly crossed. x
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Yes, I had weaned her off the metformin about two weeks ago. It may be that she just needs to stay on it continuously.
 
Wagtail said:
Thank you. Yes, you are completely right. But the haylage she is on mow is exceptionally dry, late cut timothy. I sent it away to be sure that it was okay for her and it came back as extremely low sugar, less than most hays. She has also been fed on Marksway timothy haylage and marksway hi fibre haylage. She recovered from her last attack when I changed her onto that. But I needed to source something more affordable and thankfully the stuff I have now is very good. I think the lami attack is due to two things, I took her off the metformin, and I put her onto this new oatstraw product I found. :(

I must learn to stick with what is working for her.
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Wagtail I am sorry you know my past.:(
Personally I would not give her haylage. D always had it no probs, then suddenly she started to react to it more and it brought on a lami attack within 2 days of having it.

I would stick to soaked hay. Also a gut balancer D&H were gr8 in D case giving her a tailored diet. I know your mare 's lami is different to mine. But each attack can be more trauma to the feet even tho mild. I urge you to speak to D&H I would hate for you to end up in my situation.
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Leviathan said:
Wagtail I am sorry you know my past.:(
Personally I would not give her haylage. D always had it no probs, then suddenly she started to react to it more and it brought on a lami attack within 2 days of having it.

I would stick to soaked hay. Also a gut balancer D&H were gr8 in D case giving her a tailored diet. I know your mare 's lami is different to mine. But each attack can be more trauma to the feet even tho mild. I urge you to speak to D&H I would hate for you to end up in my situation.
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Thanks Leviathan. I did have her on soaked hay for the last attack, but four weeks on, she was no better and so I put her on the Marksway haylage and almost immediately she started to pick up. The haylage I have now is like wrapped hay and only has 3.2% combined sugars which is less than most hay. I agree, I need to get her a gut balancer. Thank you.

Will update in a couple of hours when I see how she leads out of her stable today as she has had no danilon this morning.
 
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