MY LIVERY YARD OWNER WILL NO GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK

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georgiaandarchie123

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When moving to this yard i has signed nothing, no contract was in place we were simply given rules of being on the yard itself. Therefore there was no notice period etc.

Since then i have found a better place for me to stable therefore am moving. I have contact the yard manager asking if my 2 week livery can be refunded considering i will not be there or filling the space. We pay a month in advance but this spot at the other yard came up suddenly which is why i did not move earlier.

The reason im not allowed my money back is because shes not asked me to leave im leaving off my own back.

Is this right?

Help me please so i can find the best thing to do. Leave with no money or stand my ground and ask for it back?
 
Perfectly reasonable IMO, I would not expect money back.

1 months notice (irrespective of contract or if you are/aren't occupying box) is just plain good manners in my book
 
Sounds fair enough. Usually when paying monthly you need to give a months notice, although some YO's will accept less.
Your YO still has overheads to pay and needs time to fill your place, so a couple of weeks is reasonable. Can't you stay for the notice period instead of paying two lots of livery ?
 
Well two weeks seems a reasonable notice period so I'd say you should just suck it up and accept it as such. You have kinda messed your Y/O around, intentionally or not. I would never move to the yard and then two weeks later say 'Im leaving and want my money back!' unless there was a bloomin good reason.

Lack of contract - you're both at fault.

Suck it up and move on...
 
Im not just moving because i have found a better yard. There are personal reasons and the YO has put me in a position where i must leave due to her banning my instructor for personal reasons. (Which i will not go into Detail with)

If i have signed nothing for notice when i first moved to the yard then i do not see me in the wrong. Im starting to understand her keeping the money, purely just to find out what peoples views were on the situation.

Also i have not only been at my yard for 2 weeks i have been here over 6 months.
 
OP I have never given a month's notice in my life at any yard regardless of how livery was paid. Most yard's only had a week or fortnight's notice either way and the one where no contract or rules were given I gave 2 weeks notice.
I would doubt you would be able to get money back, hence why if ever I move I do so before the next payment would be due.
Never ever pay money upfront to a yard owner and then leave before that rent runs out because you won't get it back, simples ;)
If I was you I would stay on your present yard the two extra weeks and come to some arrangement with your other yard. Most should understand that you need to give a notice period at any yard, even if just out of courtesy.
Otherwise if you leave now you will be paying double livery for a two week period.
There is no way on earth I would ever do that, couldn't afford to anyway lol.
I think a lesson learned in that if you ever move again in the future give notice before you will have to pay your next month's payment ( if it is monthly) and unless otherwise stated I believe one to two week's notice is sufficient for any yard as never been on any where it was a month. Most yards around here get filled as soon as you leave anyway. One place even offered one of my stables to someone before I had even fckn moved in the first place, so don't always assume you owe your yard owner anything!
 
georgiaandarchie123 said:
I think people are mis reading. Im not stating i am asking for money back which has been paid whilst i have been stabled. It is the money in which i have spent.
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again, that doesnt really make much sense :)

I read your first post as you have paid upfront for a month, you are going half way through, and want the money back for the 2 weeks you wont be there? is that not what you are saying?
 
no, no misreading!


YO is right........ if id paid up for a month and gone then my loss.

your choosing to move not your YO chucking you offf (that would be different!)
 
CBFan said:
Well two weeks seems a reasonable notice period so I'd say you should just suck it up and accept it as such. You have kinda messed your Y/O around, intentionally or not. I would never move to the yard and then two weeks later say 'Im leaving and want my money back!' unless there was a bloomin good reason.

Lack of contract - you're both at fault.

Suck it up and move on...
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I was stating this with mis reading as i have not only been at the yard for 2 weeks then said im leaving and i want my livery money back. Im not that type of person.

I hate to think people think im moving just because i can etc as this is a bloomin good reason for it. I will suck it up and see was just seeing what peoples views were is all.
 
georgiaandarchie123 said:
When moving to this yard i has signed nothing, no contract was in place we were simply given rules of being on the yard itself. Therefore there was no notice period etc.

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OP I'm a yard owner, and frankly if you go to a yard where you don't sign anything and there is no contract in place; IMO that's stupidity beyond belief. Personally I would advise anyone to give a yard where the situation is as sloppy as this a wide berth; so to be charitable to you, for that reason alone, I think you would be far better advised to go elsewhere.

However; at your new yard, please be aware that not everything that glitters might be gold!!! Often things appear better elsewhere, but YO's often have to make difficult decisions and whilst you may feel aggrieved where you are, other places might have rules in place with which you disagree.

Emmm, I am presuming that at your new yard, you will be required/are prepared to sign a contract up front before you move your horse?
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**Kassie 2007** said:
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I am with YO on this one . You paid a month upfront I presume ?

You choose to leave so I am afraid yard owner now needs to find someone else at short notice so you forfeit the rent.

This is why all good yards should have terms and conditions and a contract so this doesn't happen .
I recently had a livery who wanted to take their horse home for Christmas and expected a refund on the 2 weeks her horse wasn't on the yard . I said sorry one doesn't give refunds .

Its your choice your leaving , not many yards would give a refund .
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i moved on the first of may and paid for may. When i moved this was all that happened so no extra money was given. Just making sure this is how all yards run as i have already lost alot from this.
 
It sounds fair to me you pay a month in advance and could stay up to the end of the month you chose to go so pay for the fortnight left.
next time sign a contract and aim pretty sure that's what it will say.
 
georgiaandarchie123 said:
i moved on the first of may and paid for may. When i moved this was all that happened so no extra money was given. Just making sure this is how all yards run as i have already lost alot from this.
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I'm not quite sure what you have "lost". Could you stay in your present yard but give notice then move to your new yard at the end of the month? By the way, I'd try to keep on good terms with both YO if I were you.
 
millreef said:
I'm not quite sure what you have "lost". Could you stay in your present yard but give notice then move to your new yard at the end of the month? By the way, I'd try to keep on good terms with both YO if I were you.
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If i could i would. But due to the circumstances this really is not possible. I can honestly say im one of the quiet people who takes things as they come. But the people who run and own the yard have confronted me in a unfair way as well as have other liveries itergate me about someones prices for teaching then going behind my back and using this information against me. It's a long story. To be honest i just need to get out! :) which is why its such short notice and the inconvience they have caused me they do not deserve for me to be kind and stay so they can have more notice. Im moving with another person from the yard as they have done the same to her to. Its pretty hard to tell this story on here as people read different things into the way people type. :)
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
georgiaandarchie123 said:
When moving to this yard i has signed nothing, no contract was in place we were simply given rules of being on the yard itself. Therefore there was no notice period etc.

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OP I'm a yard owner, and frankly if you go to a yard where you don't sign anything and there is no contract in place; IMO that's stupidity beyond belief. Personally I would advise anyone to give a yard where the situation is as sloppy as this a wide berth; so to be charitable to you, for that reason alone, I think you would be far better advised to go elsewhere.

However; at your new yard, please be aware that not everything that glitters might be gold!!! Often things appear better elsewhere, but YO's often have to make difficult decisions and whilst you may feel aggrieved where you are, other places might have rules in place with which you disagree.

Emmm, I am presuming that at your new yard, you will be required/are prepared to sign a contract up front before you move your horse?
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Indeed about the contract as i want neither parties to feel like they are losing out. I happy if there is mutual agreement between 2 people. The problem is the YO doesnt have anything to do with the yard other than she takes the money in. The yard manager does most other things. To be honest now i look at it i think it ran in a unusual way. The owner i purely a business women no interest in horses which is what made the situation harder.

And im sorry if my typing is not 'clear enough' im not trying to be horrible. And also people can mis-read things due to how you feel about a certain situation.
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I have just moved yards, the yard I moved from I didnt sign a contract (it is someones house not a yard really) but paid my rent a month upfront so when I left on the second week of the month I didnt expect my money back as I didnt give any notice and it was my choice to leave.

On my new yard I have signed a contract and it states I have to give 2 weeks notice and at the end of the first week a final bill will be drawn up.

If i was you its just best to let sleeping dogs lie, forget about the rent you have paid and move to your new yard and just learn from this for future reference.

Hope this helps
 
max306 said:
I have just moved yards, the yard I moved from I didnt sign a contract (it is someones house not a yard really) but paid my rent a month upfront so when I left on the second week of the month I didnt expect my money back as I didnt give any notice and it was my choice to leave.

On my new yard I have signed a contract and it states I have to give 2 weeks notice and at the end of the first week a final bill will be drawn up.

If i was you its just best to let sleeping dogs lie, forget about the rent you have paid and move to your new yard and just learn from this for future reference.

Hope this helps
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Indeed i have learnt from my mistakes :)
 
georgiaandarchie123 said:
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
Indeed about the contract as i want neither parties to feel like they are losing out. I happy if there is mutual agreement between 2 people. .
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Ehhhh????? (scratching head!!! - confused!). Sorry am not with you here OP.

But anyway, maybe you could let this be a learning experience, in that if you are moving to another yard to make sure that you go somewhere where you sign a proper contract and thus terms and conditions are properly set down.

If you have a look on the BHS website they have sample agreements there which you might find it helpful to have a look through? Not that your new yard will have one identical necessarily, but it will give you some guidance as to the sort of things you need to know.
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Your rent was paid monthly therefore you 'bought' a months use of the stable & facilities, so lyou do not have a leg to stand on. If you buy a packet of crisps and only eat half of them you can't get a refund for the other half a packet because you have not used them!

As an EX-livery yard owner (thank god!) I would not give you your money back regardless of the contract situation for the example quoted above. I have to spend money advertising for a new livery, spend time dealing with phone calls, show people around the yard, and still have to wait a month for any money as they will probably have to give a months notice!

Either sit out the two weeks at your present yard or accept you have forfited your money.
 
I've always understood it to be that if you pay weekly you give a weeks notice, if you pay monthly you give months notice, if you leave earlier that's your loss
 
BuzyLizzie said:
Your rent was paid monthly therefore you 'bought' a months use of the stable & facilities, so lyou do not have a leg to stand on. If you buy a packet of crisps and only eat half of them you can't get a refund for the other half a packet because you have not used them!

As an EX-livery yard owner (thank god!) I would not give you your money back regardless of the contract situation for the example quoted above. I have to spend money advertising for a new livery, spend time dealing with phone calls, show people around the yard, and still have to wait a month for any money as they will probably have to give a months notice!

Either sit out the two weeks at your present yard or accept you have forfited your money.
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Perfectly put! I'm another ex-livery yard owner too.

I think that its polite to give at least two week's notice whatever the way you pay your livery money. How would people feel if they were given a week's notice to find somewhere else?

Being rude to them because they've been rude to you makes you the same sort as person as the person you're moaning about, not the quiet "wouldn't harm a fly" type you think that you are!
 
Sorry, I'm with your YO. If you pay monthly you should give a full months notice, you have given 2 weeks. It's your choice to leave before notice is up, so no, you shouldn't get your money back.
 
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