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I don’t know if this is relevant to this thread but I just have a quick question so it would save me starting another thread.

I saw an advert tonight which stated “ A real nice type with one leg in each corner“ what exactly does that mean? Does every horse not have one leg in each corner

I take it as a proper solid horse. So my TB and probably Tali weren’t a leg in each corner type but old Peggy sue was. Better conformation possibly?
 

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SO1 - would you consider a loan? My sweet NF I have isn't working out for me as he is a lot more chilled about life than I am 🤣 He is a real sweetheart and I'm very sad about prospect of giving him up so am trying to help steer his owners to a wonderful home for him.

I've come from riding a buzzy connemara and welsh so his sanity and being general angelic isn't quite hitting the mark for me 🙈
 

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She's gorgeous. What do you intend to do with her?

She’s just newly broken in so probably spend most of the summer hacking and getting to know her. And then I will see what she likes doing. Hopefully a bit of dressage, riding club stuff and some small local shows if she likes it. (Not competitively as I’m a bit lazy for full on showing 😂)
 

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She’s just newly broken in so probably spend most of the summer hacking and getting to know her. And then I will see what she likes doing. Hopefully a bit of dressage, riding club stuff and some small local shows if she likes it. (Not competitively as I’m a bit lazy for full on showing 😂)
She is lovely and look forward to your updates.
 

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Unfortunately the one I liked that was 10k and I was hoping to view this weekend got sold during the week when I could not get time off work. I just have to accept that it is going to be difficult.
 

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I am not sure he is quite right as I think you as I want to do the same things as you mentioned wanting to fun rides and clincs and a bit of competing so if he not able to do that will you then probably not going to be suitable. My part livery is over 800 a month due inflation since I left the yard so I maybe better off just saving towards either a more expensive pony or towards buying something a bit younger in Sept and then getting professional help to school them up over the winter.

The prices are mad at the moment I was offered a pony that had an operation on its leg, and was just coming out of rehab and they were not sure if he would stand up to jumping or flatwork, had had sacoids removed and had mainly been hacking and he was 8k.

SO1 - would you consider a loan? My sweet NF I have isn't working out for me as he is a lot more chilled about life than I am 🤣 He is a real sweetheart and I'm very sad about prospect of giving him up so am trying to help steer his owners to a wonderful home for him.

I've come from riding a buzzy connemara and welsh so his sanity and being general angelic isn't quite hitting the mark for me 🙈
 

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I am not sure he is quite right as I think you as I want to do the same things as you mentioned wanting to fun rides and clincs and a bit of competing so if he not able to do that will you then probably not going to be suitable. My part livery is over 800 a month due inflation since I left the yard so I maybe better off just saving towards either a more expensive pony or towards buying something a bit younger in Sept and then getting professional help to school them up over the winter.

The prices are mad at the moment I was offered a pony that had an operation on its leg, and was just coming out of rehab and they were not sure if he would stand up to jumping or flatwork, had had sacoids removed and had mainly been hacking and he was 8k.

He can do it but if I remember from what FC posted on her thread he's just a bit lazy and she (assuming) prefers the sharper type - I thought you specifically wanted this sort of pony, kind, seen it all, sane and sensible?
I think you're mad for passing up on the offer of exactly the sort of pony you have been posting about, from someone you know so you'll know the honest and full history and for no purchase price.. each to their own I suppose.
 

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He can do it but if I remember from what FC posted on her thread he's just a bit lazy and she (assuming) prefers the sharper type - I thought you specifically wanted this sort of pony, kind, seen it all, sane and sensible?
I think you're mad for passing up on the offer of exactly the sort of pony you have been posting about, from someone you know so you'll know the honest and full history and for no purchase price.. each to their own I suppose.
He'd do all of those things, he just more of a kick than pull kinda pony and I'm used to sharper ponies so not enjoying having to employ my leg muscles..!

My mind wanders too much when allowed to think about life whilst riding rather than focusing on what the next horse eating bush will look at us funny next ;)

Let me know. You could always drop me a PM to find out more about him if wanted, no pressure.
 

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He can do it but if I remember from what FC posted on her thread he's just a bit lazy and she (assuming) prefers the sharper type - I thought you specifically wanted this sort of pony, kind, seen it all, sane and sensible?
I think you're mad for passing up on the offer of exactly the sort of pony you have been posting about, from someone you know so you'll know the honest and full history and for no purchase price.. each to their own I suppose.
I agree, lovely offer - i just wish i was slightly slimmer build and i would be contacting FC.
 

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The prices are mad at the moment I was offered a pony that had an operation on its leg, and was just coming out of rehab and they were not sure if he would stand up to jumping or flatwork, had had sacoids removed and had mainly been hacking and he was 8k.
I don't know if it is the prices that are mad or the people who are asking the prices if this is an example!!!
 

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I am off on my riding holiday next week and just going to enjoy that.

I think I will take a break from looking for a while it is emotionally draining I get my hopes up and then it doesn't work out.

I expect more will come up for sale at the end of the end of the summer when pony club is over. That is how I got Homey after pony club camp.
 

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Unfortunately the one I liked that was 10k and I was hoping to view this weekend got sold during the week when I could not get time off work. I just have to accept that it is going to be difficult.

I think you might have to accept that it’s going to be almost impossible if you can’t view more quickly. The very specific breed, size, age and type that you are looking for with the experience you want will sell very quickly for £10-£14k and that isn’t going to change unless they fail the vetting or you get lucky and a buyer pulls out for some other reason. If you can’t be more flexible on what you’re looking for you will have to be much quicker off the mark with contacting sellers and booking viewings. I’m not being unkind, but that is the reality of buying horses these days.
 

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Sadly because I work full time I cannot always make calls during the working day and I cannot just say to someone can I come and view tomorrow without getting permission off my boss and she will only allow that if I have no meetings and if I can find someone to cover for me. I have a week off to go on holiday and then I am providing cover for other people's holiday until 4 July. Last week of June is going to be particularly bad as I am covering for 3 people as well as trying to do my own job.

I used up a lot of the good will of my workplace when I had to take emergency leave at short notice when Homey was ill with all the colics and when he was in hospital and then had to be PTS. Now is payback time with me doing a lot of cover for others. They are not going to be allowing me short notice leave just to view a horse unless it is a meeting free day and I am not on the Fire Marshall rota.

We only have 3 Fire Marshalls and they cannot open the building without having a FM on site and I am one of them. I can't step down from my FM role unless more people agree to train as one and nobody wants to as it is restrictive in terms of taking time off. As nobody wants to be a FM the Senior Leadership team members who work full time which includes me have had to step into FM roles in order for us to open the building none of us really want to be FM. FM rotas are done a month in advance.

The other ones that sold before I could get there was on the Isle of White and at a Riding School and they had Riding School customers that were booked into view during the week and the third one was while I was at work conference in Birmingham for four days. There was another one on the Isle of White that was advertised and sold this week within 2 days. So 4 sold before I could view.

4 viewed and unsuitable 2 of which I would have bought if they didn't have health issues that made them unsuitable. 3 out of the 4 I couldn't canter them 2 due to no school and no dry field to canter in so 2nd viewing would have had to involve arena hire or in drier conditions the 3rd one turned out not been cantered for over 2 years.

I have lost count of the number I have called up about that have turned out to be not registered or have some other issues not mentioned on the add. Some Facebook stalking has ruled out a few including a pony that had been put out as a brood mare loan as not suitable for being ridden.

I know it is going to be difficult as I can only view on weekends and many people can be more flexible and take time off during the week at short notice which I cannot always do.

I was hoping my new recruit who said they would be willing to train up as a FM to release me from some FM duties to give me some more flexibility would do FM training in June but sadly they are on compassionate duties at the moment due to a close family member being in end of life care so they cannot come to the office until their relative has passed away and I am expecting they will need compassionate leave at some point as well.

We all get up to three days paid compassionate leave if a loved one dies and even I got it for when they found out I needed to have Homey PTS they gave me 3 days compassionate leave I found out on the Tues and they gave me Wed, Thurs and Friday as compassionate leave with him being PTS on the Friday.

I am hoping there will be more ponies for sale in the Autumn when it might be easier for me to get short notice leave as I won't be covering so much leave as most people take time off during the summer. I have 21 days AL remaining to take whereas most people have booked most of there leave already to time with school holidays.

I don't remember it being so tricky 15 years ago I didn't have to take any AL to view during the week and I was able to view Homey twice. There were none that were sold before I was able to view. It did take me a while to find him but that was mainly because there was not masses to see in my price range which was up to 3k. I had one that failed the vet the others I saw were all fine health wise and all in full work with no surprises but just not the right feeling.

On a more positive note I have just got a pay rise which means I can save more. It is looking like my 10k will probably only buy me a sensible sound 5 year old and ideally if buying young I would need more lessons and would want a couple of grand to spend on that and professional help. I also need to maintain the vets slush fund which I like to have for anything that would not be covered by insurance. I like to have at least the cost of a colic op saved so 5-7k.

3 years ago 10k bought my friend a 11 year old dressage school mistress 15.2 warmblood very well bred. At the time I thought I would never spend that sort of money on a horse it was an obsene amount yet now that is the sort of money you need for a 5 yr old native except Welsh.

I think you might have to accept that it’s going to be almost impossible if you can’t view more quickly. The very specific breed, size, age and type that you are looking for with the experience you want will sell very quickly for £10-£14k and that isn’t going to change unless they fail the vetting or you get lucky and a buyer pulls out for some other reason. If you can’t be more flexible on what you’re looking for you will have to be much quicker off the mark with contacting sellers and booking viewings. I’m not being unkind, but that is the reality of buying horses these days.
 

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SO1 what about buying through an agent? They can do much of the legwork for you.

I would be more open to breed though, and focus on ones near you that you can get to after work. Most people will be going in the evenings when they finish work. We’ve been trying to get a second hand ride on lawnmower and it’s almost worse than buying a horse - they go between you arranging to view, getting in the car and driving there!!!
 

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You’re right SO1 it definitely wasn’t so tricky 15 years ago, but we have to move with the times. I understand everything you say about the difficulties with taking time off work at short notice, but surely you could arrange an early finish to go to view if it’s not too far to travel? The Fire Marshall problem is not yours to solve. Your employer needs to ensure there is adequate cover and it’s not fair if lack of trained people restricts when you can take your time off so much. Other staff need to be put through the training whether they want to or not.

As for the flexibility they gave you to care for Homey, I would expect this of any decent employer. You shouldn’t feel like you need to be paying this back forever. Stuff happens in life that means people need time off work or flexibility with working hours for a variety of reasons during a difficult period.

If you can’t be more flexible with viewings perhaps you can compromise on your requirements so that you have a higher number of horses to consider which means you may get a chance to view a few more before they are sold?
 

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If you're part of the SLT, are you not salaried and afforded more flexibility? I'm fairly senior in my organisation now and am salaried so my manager generally doesn't care where I am when (and actually doesn't know!), as long as I'm meeting my targets.

Could you explore more flexibility there?
 

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I live and work in London and my office is in Angel there has been nothing local to view in my price range. There are some local ones in the home counties but all are 12k plus. I have been to Devon, Suffolk, Cotswolds and New Forest so far.

I have thought about an agent as that might save a lot of calls and disappointments. YO has called a few for me and done a bit of Facebook research too.

I am going to take a bit of a break from looking I don't enjoy riding in the summer months due to the heat anyway. I prefer the autumn, winter and spring. There won't be pony club or show types for sale now until after the season unless people are holding on to them to get top prices from desperate parents needing something for the summer!. I see many posts saying pony club camp in 8 weeks time I need something now.

A few of my friends have lost horses in the last 18 months and they have all ended up with foals as they cannot afford ridden ponies in the current market and didn't want to wait and save up and they were not particular about breeds so I do understand how in short supply ridden ponies are at the moment especially if welsh or cobs are not your thing.

I think I need to save more money anyway. I originally thought I could get a 5 year old for 8k and spend 2k on training or a more established pony for 10k but prices have gone up significantly since last year.

I lost Homey in July and I didn’t feel ready to look till Feb. I had my eye on the market last summer/autumn 5 year olds were about 6k and 10k was buying a more established pony. However prices have gone up like inflation I suppose. It is not just New Forests though that are increasing in price.

SO1 what about buying through an agent? They can do much of the legwork for you.

I would be more open to breed though, and focus on ones near you that you can get to after work. Most people will be going in the evenings when they finish work. We’ve been trying to get a second hand ride on lawnmower and it’s almost worse than buying a horse - they go between you arranging to view, getting in the car and driving there!!!
 

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I lost Homey in July and I didn’t feel ready to look till Feb. I had my eye on the market last summer/autumn 5 year olds were about 6k and 10k was buying a more established pony. However prices have gone up like inflation I suppose. It is not just New Forests though that are increasing in price.
The ex racers have come down a little. I'm not looking but I follow some rehoming places on Facebook and there were some really silly prices last year

Hopefully as you've identified, with ponies it's peak season for competitions and no one is selling a good pony at this stage and it will be a bit less frantic at the the end of the season. Ponies will be outgrown and come on the market and people not wanting to keep through the winter so waiting till autumn sounds like a smart move.
 

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Good ponies don't even go on the market. They already have buyers lined up. There is still a lot of money about.
 
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