New to this, considering breeding a Hispano Arabe...

[Crazydancer]

Hi, first post on this part of the forum, so feeling a bit out of my depth, be gentle!
I wanted to know how tricky/easy it is to breed a foal when starting from nothing - I have a gelding, and know enough to know that isn't a good start
I've always loved Arabs (older type, stocky with wedge head rather than dished) and have now also experienced some lovely Andalusians. I have ridden and really liked a Hispano Arabe, and don't know a great deal other than there is some sort of Stud book in Spain.
There don't seem to be many around, so have been considering the possibilities of breeding.
So how easy/difficult would it be to find an Arab broodmare, and breed a foal from an Andalusian sire?

I have NO previous experience in this area. (But do have experience of bringing a youngster on)
Also this would be a one-off to breed myself a horse, not to become a breeder.

Am I crazy to even consider it?

 

[j1ffy]

Hi there
I know nothing about breeding but spotted your post from the HHO homepage so popped in The British Association for the Purebred Spanish Horse (BAPSH) has a Hispano-Arab registry so probably worth checking out. You can probably also find some breeders through them, which may be a better option than starting from scratch:

http://www.bapsh.co.uk/indexpage.htm

There is a nice looking H-A 5yo mare on the Sale page too

 

[Jamana]

If you are wanting a Hispano Arabe for yourself than why not look at buying a foal? If you start breeding one yourself then there is a lot of work before you even get a foal on the ground and that is leaving aside any complications incurred after the birth! Also after you have the foal you wanted you are then 'stuck' with the mother. If you were intending to have her anyway then thats different, but if you only want her for the foal she can breed you that is something else.

If you have a lok on Arabian Lines.com there have ben lots about Hispano Arabes recently and there is a nice lady on there that breeds them. She has been really helpful to several other people considering thses horses and I am sure she would help you with your queries. Her name is Mandy I think. She has a website too hispanoarabeswales.co.uk.

(BTW, I don't know this lady OR have any connection to the stud, just see her on the AL forum.)

 

[Crazydancer]

Ooooo thanks both, had looked on the BAPSH site a while back and there weren't many part-breds, so missed the one on there! Don't currently have £3.5k, although I am aware that breeding my own would probably cost that to get it to a 5 yr old!
I hadn't even thought of looking at it from a PBA perspective, only a PB PRE, if you follow..... so will check out the site, thanks. Was only considering this route as hadn't seen many foals/youngstock for sale.
I did see my horse being bred, from a 'second-hand' perspective, as his sire (pure bred Arab) belonged to my friend, and wanted one of his off-spring as he had the most wonderful temprement and looks, but she didn't breed much from him. The mare was covered in the field as they ran together for the summer. I followed his progress from day one, and bought him at the first opportunity as a yearling. I love the bond we have because of it, and am happy to spend time doing the same with another, as I don't think I'll have another one (I'm nearly 48 now!)

 

[Alexart]

I'd definitely buy a youngster rather than try and breed one - firstly it will be far cheaper - £3.5K will get you to 2yr old if you're lucky - not 5 - and that is if everything goes to plan!! Plus you've got to buy a really good arab mare that is already proven so you know roughly what she throws, which is not going to be cheap!, plus the stud fee, AI costs, swabs, blood tests, breeding exam etc. It soon adds up, you could spend that easily and have nothing to show for it at the end - breeding never goes to plan! We always recommend that mare owners set aside at least £2500 to get the mare in foal - then you've got everything after that, feeding, weaning, a play mate and weaning buddy, really safe fencing, good clean pasture, an extra large stable etc. and they're just the basics. Plus you need to check on the mare - we check ours every half an hour day and night sometimes for weeks as they often go over their due dates sometimes by weeks - so you need to be flexible enough to have the time to do that!

Secondly you will know exactly what you are getting when you buy a baby - breeding one can be hit and miss - the foal may inherit all the bits you don't want!!!

At the moment the market is awful so now is a really good time to buy, there are some really nice animals going for peanuts - their breeders won't even have covered their costs with most of them!

 

[Tifferss]

i think you definitely should... and really on your horsey buddies to help you out your close buddies.....close buddy round the corner

 

[templewood]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a foal, than buy a good Arab mare and then pay all the fees to have her covered? Surely the mare is going to cost a lot more than a foal to start with!

You should also get a better quality foal from an established breeder, as they will have bought the best stock they can afford, to breed from.

There are several breeders of Hispano-Arabes. If you go on the BAPSH website and look under breeding, there is a list of breeders, some of which breed part breds, including Hispano-Arabes. There is also a new website called www.hispano-arabeuk.com. The registry for the breed is breaking away from BAPSH and dealing with Spain directly.
One of my own mares is an Hispano-Arabe, but she is registered as a Partbred with BAPSH because the Arab part of her pedigree is unknown, and as she was imported from Spain, impossible to find out. Apparently this is quite common both here in the UK and in Spain.

 

[EponaHá]

. There is also a new website called www.hispano-arabeuk.com. The registry for the breed is breaking away from BAPSH and dealing with Spain directly.
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Thank you for bringing our web to the attention of members here.

In fact we are not so much breakaway as the collective long haul owners/breeders of this wonderful breed who have long since felt our breed was not fully represented in this country. In the UK we are the only recognised daughter stud book for this breed.

The fact of the matter is that since 2006 BAPSH has not had any connection with Spain regarding these horses so all UK Hispano-Árabes bred since that date are not Internationally registered or recognised as anything but partbred subregistered stock on BAPSH registry.
For a year now we have been trying to literrally 'round up' UK Hispano-Árabe horses to bring then all onto the State Registry; so anyone out there with these horses really does need to download and send in the form; found on our web site to enter all the horses on the census Spain has requested. We have a window of time for all the recent stock to be subscribed to the state registry and please note this includes annomalies (ie;known to be only of Arab and PRE decent but unknown parentage)that may be eligable for the auxillary register in Spain and whose stock can be considered for entry to the Main registry.

Please do visit www.hispano-arabeuk.com and pass the word on to help us trace the other horses out there as well as capture next years foals to be registered from the start direct with Spain.

 

[savinoHá]

Hi
Ive just joined this forum after reading of the interest in Hispano Arabes,its so nice to see the interest developing in this beautiful athletic breed of horse.
I have been involved with breediing them for over 12yrs and its been an upward struggle to get them recognised for what they are a breed in their own right .
Both Epona and I are dedicated to raising the profile of the Há and to ensuring that all the UK horses are correctly inscribed into the Spanish stud book ,but we need all the owners of the UK horses to send in their horses details so they are correctly logged ,we hope the new website will make this much more straight forward.
If anyone needs any information or any questions answered please get in touch with either of us ,we are always here to help