News story about rider kicked in the head after a fall
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JFTDWS
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Whilst I'm unsurprised by the reaction on here, I do find it quite sad. We're talking about a teenager here - and this may shock you, but lots of teenagers make bad decisions. I know I did - lots. Riding hatless, well yes, that's a bad decision, but it's not the crime of the century.
Regarding what she does with the horse, nobody uses schooling footage in videos like this simply because (unless you're competing high level dressage) it's just not that interesting. She may never school or hack or do actual work, but the fact that there's no videos on youtube of it means very little. "entertaining" videos in this youtube community as fast galloping, jumping and fall/ fails so will always show a disproportionate amount of falls / screw ups and such. She may not be the greatest rider in the world, but how many posters on this thread were born perfect?
As for the principle of trick training, I've defended it enough times on here to be sick of the discussion - a trained rearer doesn't rear off command, and a command can be used to help "cure" a real rearer. The "rearing on the slippy road" clip is horrible viewing, but I doubt it's relevant to the horse being trained to rear, and we don't know where that clip fits in the timeline of her training it to rear anyway.
Regarding what she does with the horse, nobody uses schooling footage in videos like this simply because (unless you're competing high level dressage) it's just not that interesting. She may never school or hack or do actual work, but the fact that there's no videos on youtube of it means very little. "entertaining" videos in this youtube community as fast galloping, jumping and fall/ fails so will always show a disproportionate amount of falls / screw ups and such. She may not be the greatest rider in the world, but how many posters on this thread were born perfect?
As for the principle of trick training, I've defended it enough times on here to be sick of the discussion - a trained rearer doesn't rear off command, and a command can be used to help "cure" a real rearer. The "rearing on the slippy road" clip is horrible viewing, but I doubt it's relevant to the horse being trained to rear, and we don't know where that clip fits in the timeline of her training it to rear anyway.
Big Ben
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Oh dear, what a cluster duck....
Yes I am old and I am cringing watching this, but I can vaguely remember being young and stupid, and yes we did all sorts of things, back in the days I was brave.
We galloped, a lot, jumped just about anything, rode at unsafe speeds in crappy conditions, in fact we were little daredevils, bare back brideless, no dare to much, all good fun.
BUT
I don't remember myself, or anyone else hitting the deck as often as Rosie, and we certainly tried not to advertise our failures
I DO for sure remember wearing a hard hat though, it was just the done thing, even back in the dark ages we knew that arms and legs tend to heal better than heads.
As to the poor horse, *sigh* looks like a disaster in the making, and that kick looked deliberate to me. I just worry about his long term future, either with his current owner, or any unsuspecting purchaser, he has a lot of undesirable apps installed, and we all know how hard it is to uninstall such things.
Yes I am old and I am cringing watching this, but I can vaguely remember being young and stupid, and yes we did all sorts of things, back in the days I was brave.
We galloped, a lot, jumped just about anything, rode at unsafe speeds in crappy conditions, in fact we were little daredevils, bare back brideless, no dare to much, all good fun.
BUT
I don't remember myself, or anyone else hitting the deck as often as Rosie, and we certainly tried not to advertise our failures
I DO for sure remember wearing a hard hat though, it was just the done thing, even back in the dark ages we knew that arms and legs tend to heal better than heads.
As to the poor horse, *sigh* looks like a disaster in the making, and that kick looked deliberate to me. I just worry about his long term future, either with his current owner, or any unsuspecting purchaser, he has a lot of undesirable apps installed, and we all know how hard it is to uninstall such things.
PingPongPony
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Jazzaria actualy had to keep her poor horse jazz, in her tiny back garden for about 3 weeks because she couldn't afford the livery fees. She then sold him to some very lovely people, and as far as I know, he is enjoying his new home. I know all this because she's a ''friend'' of a friend so I had her on fb. I actually offered to take jazz on loan until she sorted herself out and either help her sell him or give him back, only because I felt sorry for the poor thing being stuck in a small back garden on his own. She refused my offer and deleted me off her facebook 
jazz is in a nice home thou and is doing great 
jazz is in a nice home thou and is doing great Horselover1994
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Alright so. This falls off and her horse Luke intentionally thinks 'Rosie fell off and I'm gonna kick her purposely' right? WRONG. He didn't do it on purpose, he may not have done it from a spook but he defiantly didn't do it on purpose. This was a accident, a UNprodictable accident. Things happen and Rosie was lucky enough to be okay from this. The horse was probably just kicking out playfully like horses do when its cold and they get frisky. She wasn't hurting the horse either, if all of you had read your facts he's in a bitless bridle she's not prodding/poking him anywhere. I say a complete accident the horse didn't kick her on purpose horses don't think like that.
laurenv49
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i agree^^
if you think Rosie is doing things stupidly and novicey, then you would be appalled at some things teenagers upload to youtube. Also, this thread was to decide whether the kick was deliberate or not, not to slate a teenage girl and say she is not treating her horses correctly. Rosie looks after he horses very very well, and i have seen from videos of other people riding her horses that they are very complex unless you know them. Please leave Rosie alone as i would imagine she would be very upset about some of the things that have been said; I know i would be.
Big Ben
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Sorry love, I have never seen so many sorts of wrong in a first post:
- He was not spooked, he aimed and fired.
- From the videos she shared it has been an accident that has been waiting to happen for a long time, and while maybe not predictable, there was a certain inevitability to it.
- Not playful in any language, and if you think that is playful, you best make sure you are wearing full safety gear when around horses, because you are not reading their language.
the horse didn't kick her on purpose horses don't think like that
Watch horses in their normal social groups and tell me that they don't deliberately aim kicks at each other in temper.
Floxie
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Disagree with all of the above 
I'm quite sure the kick WAS deliberate - may even have been exacerbated by the rider ragging the horse round to distraction so it was tense and uncomfortable - but also don't feel it was 'evil' or intentional in the way people seem to be saying it was. I think the horse responded automatically and aggressively towards something that startled it (the falling rider). A moment of instinct - a kick to disable the threat before making his escape (not an accidental lucky shot, though). But I'm quite sure it never for a moment thought "that's my rider" - though it may have thought "that's the thing that's been discomforting me".
It was a freak accident, but it was probably made a little more likely by the current state of mind of the pony.
I'm quite sure the kick WAS deliberate - may even have been exacerbated by the rider ragging the horse round to distraction so it was tense and uncomfortable - but also don't feel it was 'evil' or intentional in the way people seem to be saying it was. I think the horse responded automatically and aggressively towards something that startled it (the falling rider). A moment of instinct - a kick to disable the threat before making his escape (not an accidental lucky shot, though). But I'm quite sure it never for a moment thought "that's my rider" - though it may have thought "that's the thing that's been discomforting me".It was a freak accident, but it was probably made a little more likely by the current state of mind of the pony.
FinalFurlong
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This.
I'm still really confused about the chestnut horse she is supposedly teaching to jump before he/she goes off to RACE?! What racing owner/trainer would send a potential racehorse to an 18 year old girl (ANY teen, rosie or not) instead of sending the horse to an actual racehorse training yard/pre training yard
Shantara
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I agree with you 100%.
I would rather upload a video of me falling off, or doing a big jump, than when I taught Ned to leg yield, or practicing 20m circles. It's just not interesting to watch! Doesn't mean I don't do it though.
The rear on the road looks like an accident, not a command. The commanded rears look much more under control and the one on the road looked like the horse taking the pee!
And riding without a hat? I really really hate seeing it, but I'm guilty of taking my hat off (at a VERY steady walk and standing still) for a photoshoot or two. However I would advise Rosie to wear hers more often. I know several girls her age who ride without one and it makes me cringe.
I hate seeing threads go this way.
Floxie
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Disagree with all of the above
course I typed this before I saw that other people had posted that I did actually agree with...
MileAMinute
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Ooh look! New posters! *waves*
As for Rosie being upset. She chose to upload that video onto Youtube. She chose to sell her story to the Daily Fail. That automatically brings in other people's opinions, whether you like them or not.
Get over it, such is life unfortunately.
And yes, we all did stupid stuff when we were younger. Doesn't make it right! I'm all for having fun but not taking stupid risks like not wearing a hat. It may well be 'her choice' but it's not fair for her friends and family picking up the slack when she gets seriously injured.
As for Rosie being upset. She chose to upload that video onto Youtube. She chose to sell her story to the Daily Fail. That automatically brings in other people's opinions, whether you like them or not.
Get over it, such is life unfortunately.
And yes, we all did stupid stuff when we were younger. Doesn't make it right! I'm all for having fun but not taking stupid risks like not wearing a hat. It may well be 'her choice' but it's not fair for her friends and family picking up the slack when she gets seriously injured.
Hackie
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Sorry, but that was a well aimed, deliberate kick. He may not have been aiming at her head as such, but he sure was having a go at her!
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FionaM12
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I think they do. Horses deliberately kick their best friends too. It doesn't make them mean or evil, they're just horses.
Mollie and her best pal Mary suddenly started a kicking fight on the way out to the field recently. Neither was hurt but it was scary, especially as I was in the middle!
Moments later they were grazing peacefully together, inseparable friends as usual.They were most certainly aiming at each other.
fburton
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Yes, it is clearly deliberate - but if the horse was spooked it could have been deliberate too. Deliberate is anything not accidental, and voluntary rather than reflex. So what's the difference?
It seems to me that some people here are assuming motivations in a 'deliberate' kick that don't exist - malice, for example. Horses don't think that way. They certainly don't go round kicking each other 'out of badness' either. Horses always have valid horsey reasons for behaving the way they do, which may be completely unrelated to what one human might feel towards another. That doesn't make them 'bad' or 'evil, though it may mean we need to be more careful around them.
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wench
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I cannot really imagine why anyone would post videos of themselves falling off on youtube...
Or riding a rearing horse without a hat or saddle for that matter.
Or riding a rearing horse without a hat or saddle for that matter.
Hackie
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If he'd spooked and accidentally kicked her, I'd describe it as exactly that - an accidental kick. Its happened to me, I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got knicked on the ankle by a horse running past, and thats how I described it at the time.
No one is saying its malice or badness, quite the opposite. What we are saying is that is quite natural for good natured horses to DELIBERATELY direct a kick at something that is annoying them, be that another horse, or, in extreme circumstances like this, a person.
I have absolutely seen horses deliberately turn and boot another horse in response to behaviour they are being subjected to in the herd. Whether it be over food, a dominance issue or I've seen it in the case of an older horse being harrased (for want of a better word) by a young one, to put in its place (usually works), by turning and double barrelling. You can tell by the body language if they are aiming for something!
No one is saying that he was doing it as revenge, as such, but it WAS in response to behaviour he really didn't like, it seemed an extreme response to let her know he wasn't happy. If I'm going to be honest, he was showing signs before then and if she's had half a brain to pick up on them she may have stopped instead of continuing to push him and she wouldn't have put herself in that position.
fburton
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I've no argument with that.
Frozen Hoof Boots
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Ditto ^^.... Daily FailWhen I saw the video of the kick I thought 'what a nasty piece of work that horse is'. Having watched that 'something holding you back video it all becomes clear. Bits of it made me feel really sick, especially the horse rearing on the wet slippery road and the horse falling whilst jumping.
Where the hell are this girls parents? She's going to end getting herself killed if she doesn't hurry up and learn to respect horses and treat them as more than machines.
As as a parent after seeing those antics and treatment of them ponies on YouTube, kick in the head deliberate or not I'd be selling them.
fatpiggy
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Don't think I agree with your second paragraph! My poor old girl was battered by a new horse which marched up to her while she was standing asleep and put the boot in to a horrendous degree. I subsequently found out it had done it its previous yard too.
Shantara
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There's a malicious horse at my yard too. He's scary!! Thank goodness he's leaving. I refuse to go in the field with him now.
JFTDWS
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Actually there are a number of posts saying this:
Which is, by most definitions, attributing the behaviour to malice.
Native Pony
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My sentiments too. The horse looked to be being ridden bareback (bareback on frozen ground?
). Even the short clip looked frantic. There are poles and overturned wings scattered about. The horse had very probably had enough and wasn't finding he was being treated with the consideration and leadership he needed. The horse will have sent out plenty of warning before it resorted to the kick. The owner unfortunately was oblivious to the effort the horse was making to communicate
Native Pony
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Should add too the poor girl took a bad kick there. I hope her confidence is not destroyed and she can learn from this.
WelshGirl
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you disgust me all of you shes a young girl and your all well older than her! picking on her! you should all be ashamed of yourselfs no need to be nasty and horrible!! all of you need to apoligise! you pathetic people.
Elsbells
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WelshGirl
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no need to pick on her though is there? not being funny!!!
WelshGirl
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIVUN_u5eis
watch this video then tell me how shes such a bad rider and stuff she is not! that horse loves her to bits and did not mean to hurt her.
watch this video then tell me how shes such a bad rider and stuff she is not! that horse loves her to bits and did not mean to hurt her.
WelshGirl
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how would u=you like it if you had 100s of people picking on you huh? you wouldnt this needs to stop if it dont ill get the police involved and give in each and every comment.
JFTDWS
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Thing is, all this "there's nothing wrong with her riding" business is daft - there's plenty wrong with most people's riding - including this girl's. She has loads to learn - she needs to appreciate that. Just as the posters on this thread need to remember that they also have plenty to learn, and even if they are perfect now, they certainly weren't born that way.
Fwiw, I think the comments about messing around on slightly frosty ground bareback are daft - there's nothing inherently wrong with riding bareback in any ride-able conditions, and I personally would rather ride on a frost than many school surfaces which are considered fair game, but in my opinion are far too deep...
That said, this rider clearly needs to work on her balance as she could avoid many of those falls. Of course, bareback is a great way to improve your balance - if you don't fall off and get kicked, that is.
eta - good luck getting the police involved - nobody has said anything illegal on the thread - unpalatable for the girl, yes, but not illegal.