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Newton Stud slurry death
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Roxylola
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I saw this on Facebook, bit disappointed that the BD page took it down and implied she was mud slinging and unjustified.
I felt she was quite reasonable in what she said. It's a terrible tragedy for her - slurry disposal is a huge danger; I remember when I first loaned a horse we rented stables on a dairy farm and the muck heap was a case of tipping your barrow off the top in to the slurry below, I was often up there alone and the thought of falling genuinely terrified me
I felt she was quite reasonable in what she said. It's a terrible tragedy for her - slurry disposal is a huge danger; I remember when I first loaned a horse we rented stables on a dairy farm and the muck heap was a case of tipping your barrow off the top in to the slurry below, I was often up there alone and the thought of falling genuinely terrified me
ester
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Did they 
it's not like she is the only one given the issues with other youngstock that has been lost on the site. (iirc mostly R. equi issues)
it's not like she is the only one given the issues with other youngstock that has been lost on the site. (iirc mostly R. equi issues)
ihatework
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It’s pretty horrific isn’t it.
I suppose when you have the numbers of horses passing through your hands as they do it’s inevitable that there will be accidents/losses at times. But the general gist I’ve heard over the last couple of years is the general attitude to clients.
That, in addition to a vitriolic and unprofessional post from Newnton last season about semen quality and I have to say they have gone on my list of establishments not to get involved with.
I suppose when you have the numbers of horses passing through your hands as they do it’s inevitable that there will be accidents/losses at times. But the general gist I’ve heard over the last couple of years is the general attitude to clients.
That, in addition to a vitriolic and unprofessional post from Newnton last season about semen quality and I have to say they have gone on my list of establishments not to get involved with.
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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I saw this too - I think an important part to note is that this was not slurry; yes it was a slurry pit but in fact was filled with meat sludge from the abattoir which they then spread on their fields. Not wholly relevant to the horses awful death but is relevant to some of the other points made against this yard. I am glad she got her way in/out of court, credit to her for fighting this to the bitter end, they should be held completely liable.
The amount of people who have come forward with stories of having their horses die at the hands of these people is shocking, I hadn't heard of them before and was super surprised to see Carl Hester had one of his broodmares there. (No comment on Carl, I have not a single bad word to say about him, just usually controversial yards don't have any names of note anywhere near them.)
The amount of people who have come forward with stories of having their horses die at the hands of these people is shocking, I hadn't heard of them before and was super surprised to see Carl Hester had one of his broodmares there. (No comment on Carl, I have not a single bad word to say about him, just usually controversial yards don't have any names of note anywhere near them.)
TheMule
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Unfortunately there's a lot coming out on social media about them, this doesn’t seem to be an isolated incident. I agree you have to consider they are a large operation with many horses coming through their doors through the breeding season so of course there are going to be illnesses, injuries and losses, but you can’t forgive the lack of honest communication and then appalling unprofessional behavior on social media.
I gave them a mare for ET. I certainly wouldn’t if I had known their reputation ?
I gave them a mare for ET. I certainly wouldn’t if I had known their reputation ?
ihatework
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AShetlsndBitMeOnce - they are a big and relatively well respected breeding establishment, with good repro vets, a LOT of supporters, big name and big value horses go there. I’ve got personal friends who are very supportive of them.
It sounds to me like they are very good ... until they aren’t, then they don’t have the clients back
It sounds to me like they are very good ... until they aren’t, then they don’t have the clients back
SEL
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I saw this yesterday and thought it was shocking
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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Ohh right, that's my lack of knowledge then, I knew through reading the post that they're an established name but I didn't know that they're generally quite well thought of.
ester
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Ah yes now you mention it I did know re. the meat products.
It seems no one has gone fully to court with them but taken settlements and signed NDAs
It seems no one has gone fully to court with them but taken settlements and signed NDAs
TheMule
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The sludge from the abattoir is basically what you cut out of the dead animal's intestines- it is very commonly used as a fertilizer, it isn't a meat product. It is a bit disgusting, but not really a welfare issue in itself IMO
ester
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yup my bad paraphrasing sorry! and def didn't mean to imply it was a welfare issue in itself.
Roxylola
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Yes, although I now can't find the post they put up about it. I think it seemed to be the implication of the rider being involved somehow they mainly objected to. As others have commented though it doesn't seem to be an isolated incident and while they are pretty top notch until things go wrongDid they
it's not like she is the only one given the issues with other youngstock that has been lost on the site. (iirc mostly R. equi issues)
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i think the person who closed the post is connected to the people involved in other ways though, the BD groups on FB are not administered by BD so will be prone to these kind of personal decisions.
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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I think the implication in some of the posts on the original post about the stud is that this could be a contributory factor for the high rate of illness that seems to run through the stud. I have no idea on whether this could be right or not, I know nothing about it.
Roxylola
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Feels a bit Frankenfoods though in my (uneducated) opinion.
I know how fertiliser works and excrement is excrement etc and I'm assuming it would have time to be absorbed before any stock was on that land, but from an abattoir do they really have time and motivation to ensure there are no animal remains in it at all?
And from there it doesn't seem like a huge stretch to look at how mixing meat in to herbivore food chains landed us with bse and cjd.
From an ignorant bystander, with an interest in horses, that alone would make me think twice about sending a horse there ?
teapot
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The same Die Callas that at the time was reported to have died unexpectedly in the field?
Also, why's a stud yard got an open pit, regardless of content? H&S nightmare.
Also, why's a stud yard got an open pit, regardless of content? H&S nightmare.
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sport horse
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I did hear that they have Rhodococcus Equi which if you google it could well be the cause of some of the reported deaths. I made this known to someone who had a horse at Newton, that person had said horse blood tested when it returned to them and it tested positive. This will be in the soil so a long term problem.
shortstuff99
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It was also mentioned on the BD (unofficial) group that the editor at H&H had close ties to the stud and that is why it has never been mentioned.
sport horse
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Maybe now it is officially settled out of court as opposed to an upcoming case the media may take notice? Interesting that one of the people concerend is an H & H columnist?
teapot
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The editor or an editor? One will have more sway than the other.
Lady2021
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Why the hack do they have a open pit My uncle is a farmer and they have to be close for health and safety.
shortstuff99
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From how they had written it I would hazard a guess at THE editor.
eggs
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The H&H editor mentioned by name in one of the comments hasn't appeared on the list of editors for a little while now although she certainly did used to be a features editor
Pinkvboots
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I can't get onto Facebook did the horse eat from contaminated land?
teapot
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No, it drowned in a slurry pit.
TheMule
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Feels a bit Frankenfoods though in my (uneducated) opinion.
I know how fertiliser works and excrement is excrement etc and I'm assuming it would have time to be absorbed before any stock was on that land, but from an abattoir do they really have time and motivation to ensure there are no animal remains in it at all?
And from there it doesn't seem like a huge stretch to look at how mixing meat in to herbivore food chains landed us with bse and cjd.
From an ignorant bystander, with an interest in horses, that alone would make me think twice about sending a horse there ?
I only have experience from one abattoir so I'm not certain, it's done pretty quickly and I can imagine it's full of adult worms etc. I wouldnt want it anywhere near my land, I've spent time in the gut room ?
shortstuff99
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I think what makes this even stranger is she was an Olympic dressage horse, that the rider was taking to the olympics (short list anyway). You would think a yard would treat an Olympic horse like they were made of gold!
I know no horse deserves to go like that but when an owner is paying thousands for that calibre of horse ?
SEL
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I wouldn't even let my 3 legged fluffy crowd near a slurry pit and I'm fairly relaxed about turnout conditions!
shortstuff99
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Well quite! If it was their horse though at least that is just their problem, but this was someone's pride and joy! How they can just dismiss it as they have and not be so so apologetic is just baffling. That's what puts me off really, how can they have so little care.
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