No real control.

Tinypony said:
Someone starts a discussion about an issue, then people chip in with how wonderful they and their horses are, which while it's a little bit interesting maybe (or not), doesn't prove anything or contribute to the original question.
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It makes em happy. Always astounds me that there are so many perfect horses on here, but I rarely see them in real life. Apart from mine - obviously!
 
Tinypony said:
At the risk of upsetting people, how does a thread that started out talking about how to get more control of a horse end up with people boasting about how they can lead their horses round by the rug, mane, left hind leg etc? I'm sure a lot of people can do all sorts of things at home in their field and yard. Good for them.
This tends to happen here a lot. Someone starts a discussion about an issue, then people chip in with how wonderful they and their horses are, which while it's a little bit interesting maybe (or not), doesn't prove anything or contribute to the original question.
(I may be grumpy because I've been sat here working since 6 am, if so ignore me!).
p.s. Come back PR and look at what you've done, as if you didn't know...
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Things tend to drop into a 'jokey' mode I believe..because some people WILL NOT accept another point of view OR they see the convo developing into a full-scale war...

...AND it's Sunday evening, I guess the wine is out for some!

I'm one of those responsible I'm afraid! Once serious stuff is out the way, I'll throw in a joke or two! There are those who tend to ignore the jokes and find what they need...

:)
 
Tinypony said:
At the risk of upsetting people, how does a thread that started out talking about how to get more control of a horse end up with people boasting about how they can lead their horses round by the rug, mane, left hind leg etc? I'm sure a lot of people can do all sorts of things at home in their field and yard. Good for them.
This tends to happen here a lot. Someone starts a discussion about an issue, then people chip in with how wonderful they and their horses are, which while it's a little bit interesting maybe (or not), doesn't prove anything or contribute to the original question.
(I may be grumpy because I've been sat here working since 6 am, if so ignore me!).
p.s. Come back PR and look at what you've done, as if you didn't know...
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You do have a good point! Most people here will know that Ned is really nothing near perfect lol! However, I'm finally proud of his behaviour! I still can't get on the bloomin' thing though! Something I didn't get around to teaching him before he went lame.
 
All that's missing from this thread is a bit on cobs and it'll be perfect, someone call the green scaley one :D

I'm constantly amazed at how seriously people take life with horses when it's about an issue that's got bum all to to with welfare etc.

PEOPLE OF HHO, GET ON AND ENJOY YOUR HORSES ;)
 
sarahann1 said:
All that's missing from this thread is a bit on cobs and it'll be perfect, someone call the green scaley one :D

I'm constantly amazed at how seriously people take life with horses when it's about an issue that's got bum all to to with welfare etc.

PEOPLE OF HHO, GET ON AND ENJOY YOUR HORSES ;)
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I'm trying! If I can get this work done by 10 I might even get a 15 minute ride in my field this am.
Coffee break over, back to it... (sound of boots pattering off into the distance...).
 
Enfys said:
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Bull clip. I need two hands to open the silly things :(
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Do you have to pull the clip out rather than push in? I had a similar one but gave it and attached rope away as that was a pain, as you say, two hands required. It was also very heavy.

I really dislike the slidey one, it certainly isn't quick release.

I have a medium length rope. Lol It's about 8 ft, great for little-uns. lol

I do think much is what you are used to, like TP I also find the long ones useful in tight spaces. I learned a long time ago with one mare that being close to an agitated horse didn't cut it as she would push/knock me with her shoulder. No way was it worth getting into a pushing/pulling match with her, I would have been splatted.
 
But there are some of us on H&H who began riding late in life and paid for lessons in how to lead?

Only free from ideology. I was taught to lead according to the situation.

First lesson was BHS Stage 1 stable managment, trotting up for vet. Normal webbing collar, short rope. Post Kelly Marks (How to Behave) I knew this mare would follow my actions but was terrified. I might stumble. I was too old to run.
Second school - Leading on the road, with bridle and reins - you need a schooling whip in hand in case you need to keep horse's rear end from sliding sideways into traffic.
With a 12 ft rope and rope head collar, one can lead out to grass (graze in hand) more easily and dont need a whip because you use the end of the 12 ft rope to control the quarters instead. 12 ft allows horse to graze for an hour and you to do crossword.
And yes can now can claim brownie points for teaching horses to lead in a rope head collar with a 12 ft rope. So I arranged for my OH to be taught to do that too.
Surprise - Instead he was taught using bit and bridle and whip - He never goes near a horse unless he is going to ride.

PS The very frightening BHS lesson in trotting up came in useful. Years later, I was did it with startling efficiency for someone in an emergency. Horse was in bridle. The fact that one can use and like a 12 ft rope doesnt mean you use it every time.
 
I think there's definitely a market for soft 8-10ft ropes, I could only find one on eBay.

Through trial and error close was best for my then explosive filly. One trainer told me to give her rope and let her run round me, never again, she broncked and double barrelled like crazy! Not to say doesn't work for some though but not for us.
 
Better change the trot ups at our 4* events then as they all use bridles. How could WFP et al all be so silly as to not use 12 ft ropes!!!!! And lets put all the racehorses in the paddocks on them at the same time - interesting. I'm mid 50s never used a halter or 12 ft rope and I've still got all my toes thank you.
 
This thread has made me chuckle . . . horses for courses and all that :). I must admit I have used pretty much every and all permutation described here - short rope led from horses' shoulder, bridle with hat/gloves, long/loose rope and webbing or leather headcollar, rope headcollar, headpiece w/ bit and leadrope attached under the chin, leadrope around the neck, handful of mane/forelock/rug . . . in various circumstances and I still have all my fingers and toes (and have never been clarted in the head by a waving hoof).

At the moment, I use a webbing headcollar with an 8 foot soft leadrope - very handy for getting Kal out of the paddock without actually going in (I routinely bring another livery's horse in and his paddock is farthest away - so I grab Oli from his paddock, put Kal's headcollar on over his gate and persuade him round the (opening inwards) gate while I have Ols in my other hand . . . with a short leadrope that would be next to impossible, but with his nice long ones (he has two) I can keep hold of the end and he has enough rope to back away from and round the end of the gate and out of the paddock - seeeeemples!).

I simply don't understand how or why anyone can say that there is only one way to lead a horse safely - so much depends on the horse/circumstances/handler, surely?

And, no, my horse isn't perfect - far from it - and neither am I, but I do have a modicum of common sense and am, therefore, very able to look at a given situation and react/act accordingly . . . so there :P.

P
 
Tinypony said:
At the risk of upsetting people, how does a thread that started out talking about how to get more control of a horse end up with people boasting about how they can lead their horses round by the rug, mane, left hind leg etc? I'm sure a lot of people can do all sorts of things at home in their field and yard. Good for them.
This tends to happen here a lot. Someone starts a discussion about an issue, then people chip in with how wonderful they and their horses are, which while it's a little bit interesting maybe (or not), doesn't prove anything or contribute to the original question.
(I may be grumpy because I've been sat here working since 6 am, if so ignore me!).



I believe it is called a conversation, that's what happens. People digress, perfectly normal :)

PR is just sitting back on his porch, watching, hound dawg at his feet on one side, spittoon on the other ;) maybe :D
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Tinypony said:
At the risk of upsetting people, how does a thread that started out talking about how to get more control of a horse end up with people boasting about how they can lead their horses round by the rug, mane, left hind leg etc? I'm sure a lot of people can do all sorts of things at home in their field and yard. Good for them.
This tends to happen here a lot. Someone starts a discussion about an issue, then people chip in with how wonderful they and their horses are, which while it's a little bit interesting maybe (or not), doesn't prove anything or contribute to the original question.
(I may be grumpy because I've been sat here working since 6 am, if so ignore me!).
p.s. Come back PR and look at what you've done, as if you didn't know...
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If the OP had been about that I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you, but it wasn't, it was someone telling everyone else what they must do, or never lead their horse! I rather think the replies which said that others use different methods were somewhat less prescriptive than the pompous "Do it the PP way or don't have horses" of the OP. I have to say the people on here who insist how kind the PP way is, how 'in partnership' they are make me laugh, they wouldn't hit their partner, but they would, presumably, put a gum line on them! :eek:
 
So back to the OP.

Pale Rider said:
It's a myth that a bit and bridle give you control. You need a rope headcollar, a 12 foot line and respect from the horse. If you don't have all three, leave well alone.
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Tosh! Horses for courses and all that.

and, as for this "You need a rope headcollar, a 12 foot line and respect from the horse. If you don't have all three, leave well alone."

What? !

Literally?!

That is a real chicken and egg statement.
 
I found two lunge reins for £6 in a tack shop the other week (Two Times Tack in Oxon if anyone is nearby) they are the cushioned type ones so nice and soft, I cut them down in to extra long leadropes - very handy
 
Moomin1 said:
Wow, completely uncalled for.

That needs reporting tbh - no need for vile name calling.
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Well if people make inflammatory opening posts then of course people are going to bite... That's why he did it. I'm pretty sure PR is quite big enough to look after himself on an internet forum. Besides, considering the way you have insulted and belittled people on many, many other threads I don't think you really have any right to have a go at anyone. Tbh.
 
There was no need to swear though - what they said was fine, why make themselves look stupid by swearing on a forum full of kids??

I had a livery that used a 12' rope with her unruly horse. We regularly would find her hanging off the end of the rope screaming. One day she came back with a broken arm because the horse had spun, bucked and caught her arm, she was lucky it wasn't worse. I led the horse a few times, after a few stern growls and yanks on the leadrein it was fine in a headcollar and leadrope. Same livery regularly went grass skiing with our 12h section A (great term Redmone!) despite my 11yr old stepson not having a problem.

Anyway, I digress, you have to find what works safely in the meantime while you work out how to get respect and good behaviour from the horse. However you do something there is always a risk that something can go wrong - you are never 100% safe or doing things right with horses.

ps. Am another member of the let them run down the drive to their stables themselves while you lock the gate club. Works great until you get a clever but greedy equine that runs into the other horse's stables and eats their tea before the other amble in!
 
Honey08 said:
ps. Am another member of the let them run down the drive to their stables themselves while you lock the gate club. Works great until you get a clever but greedy equine that runs into the other horse's stables and eats their tea before the other amble in!
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I once ended up with a very well-mannered 14.3 cob and a nosy 17hh Clydie in the same stable! Lesson learned - one at a time, please!
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I once ended up with a very well-mannered 14.3 cob and a nosy 17hh Clydie in the same stable! Lesson learned - one at a time, please!
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Whispers - have had that seven times last week as they've been on the winter turnout with stable access while we went on holiday as my mare had come in with an allergic reaction to something in the field. Hubby's 17h had gone into her stable after he had finished his hay every morning, and the lady looking after her had found both horses in her stable (she's 16h too). Thankfully they get on! Ended up putting all haynets out on the yard all night.
 
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