Not Allowed To Help Other Liveries/ Friends?

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Ok so this morning we are all told by the YO that we are no longer allowed to bring in or turn out other peoples horses for insurance reasons :confused:

Funnily enough we can pay for YO's daugther to do it though :rolleyes:

Everyone is kicking off about it and personally im keeping my head down and staying out of it. I will continue to to help my friends if they ask and vice versa, simple.

Has anyone heard of this before? I can't see how this is an insurance thing ... more like a money making thing?! :mad:
 
I've head of this happening on one yard nearby.

Although I think you should be able to choose who sees to your horse and share jobs between friends..
I also see it from the YO view that this is their lively hood.
The instance reason does sound right but you know what a nappy state we are becoming.

Maybe you could sign a disclaimer, so you won't sue them if you have an accident while dealing with someone else's horse.
 
We can't bring in more than one horse at a time and they need to be wearing a bit. I haven't heard this before, don't understand how it would effect the insurance any different than if the owner was bringing them in? Surely it's the owners decision?
 
I have no objection to a YO who specifies a rule like that - it's their business, they can make the rules, and it's hard enough to make money out of livery.

Saying it's for "insurance", though, is stupid - the YO should be honest about it!
 
Yard I worked at did this. His words where " a livery that helps another livery is stealing from me" I understand that insurance is a ****** tho so it might not be them just being awkward, if the daughter works there then she will be covered by insurance. It's a nightmare tho paying for yard services can nearly double the bill !!
 
Antw23uk said:
Ok so this morning we are all told by the YO that we are no longer allowed to bring in or turn out other peoples horses for insurance reasons :confused:

Funnily enough we can pay for YO's daugther to do it though :rolleyes:

Everyone is kicking off about it and personally im keeping my head down and staying out of it. I will continue to to help my friends if they ask and vice versa, simple.

Has anyone heard of this before? I can't see how this is an insurance thing ... more like a money making

Employees will be covered for injury whilst working, you turning out a friends horse then suieing YO as XYZ was wrong = causing accident - she wont have insurance for. Nor can YO ever be certain this wont happen, nor will a peice of paper saying "you promiss not to suie and take respeosibility for actions of own and others horse" stand up in court. Hence this is a valid insurance reason - although it is highly likely motivated by money!

I would warn against continuing to help your friends to carry on behaviour that has been informed must stop........ unless you want to find another yard?
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A yard I know of is the same - and it is all down to money. That said, could there be an insurance issue ........I only say that as what happens if one of the friends gets injured ? This is one of the reasons I'm not keen on bringing other peeps horses in, as I have a dodgy back, and don't want to risk it :confused:
 
Depends what the charges are - but i would be leaving the yard - i would say that everyone needs to stick together on this but dont no one ever does and the few brave will soon be sacrificed by the rest..... the rules have changed so you could ask for a months clemancy.... give you time to find a new yard but NO one is bringing my horses in with a bit..... so will each horse now have to be provided with a turn out bridle? or is it a one size fits all?

(sorry the bit thing was mis read off another poster )
 
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Changing the terms of the contract between YO and livery. Could argue, but would cost you.

We've heard of yards that have this rule, but we won't go there. A couple of our horses, despite a lot of work, can be bobbers if not handled properly. We have to see the person handling them and make sure they're safe. Just 'experienced' people won't do, they have to know how to handle these particular horses. We're insured as individuals, so are covered if anything were to happen.
 
I'm at a yard where the YO says no favours for friends due to insurance, but she also now won't offer services so my horse is currently in 24/7 as I'm not allowed to ask a friend to get him in!
 
although obviously yards have to make money and i suppose this is inevitable, but when you've already been working things a certain way, having your fellow livery bringing in for you once day when you do for her, having change suddenly announced that could potentially add another £10 in charges onto your livery bill each week is well, something i can understand causing a lot of upset.

sadly, its a sign of the times. everyone scratching for more money to stay in business. keeping horses is only going to get more and more expensive.

sorry to cheer you all up folks :p
 
I would move yards. On my yard we all help each other, its DIY so sometimes if someone gets stuck they ask the other girls to bring in, turn out or hay and water. Ive even got my friends horse in for the farrier, and I know she would do the same for me, - its really nice that everyone helps each other! Sounds like a money making thing to me tbh.
 
Surley they need to give notice of a change in conditions..... are you allowed to pick catch in time....?

You could all put catch in spread over the afternoon - 1pm till 8.30pm for a few days - see if the novelty wears off - or if they then come back with a catch in time - tell them that does not suit your horse so you need to make alternative arrangements.

Other than that all start wearing full balaclavers then they wont have a clue whom is whom.
 
Surely if you all gave third party liability insurance (as I'm sure yiu do!) you'd be fine

Having said that I wouldn't go against YO wishes provided the times of access to the yard are reasonable and I'd have a chance if being able to cope myself. Also point out that if one is left out awaiting it's owner she can't really turn around and complain if it causes a fuss
 
It could be an insurance thing, but most likely it's a money making venture!

I can understand why yards do it, it's difficult to make any money in livery at all, so in my eyes if the YO wants to implement this then they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

However, they have changed the terms and conditions of your contract, therefore you should get a months warning of the change before it comes into effect. Where you go as liveries from here is up to you - you either accept and pay up or vote with your feet and move. It would be worth getting everyone together with the YO and discussing it though. See if you can find a middle ground, or at least get them to agree to reasonable service charges or possibly a weekly/monthly package deal
 
Third party liability covers anyone handling or riding my horses with my permission.
It's a money making scheme hiding behind insurance excuse.
Tbh if that was the rule on arrival at yard, fair enough, but to introduce it suddenly because times are hard is unacceptable.
If it was me, I would read every word of my policy, show facts to YO and ask her to be honest about generating income. Then explain I either continue as usual or move yards, a few extra quid is nothing compared to an empty stable.
Times are hard all round, a lot of people are giving up horses. A friend of mine has the heaven of a livery yard and for the last 15 years she has had a waiting list of two years. She has, at the moment three vacancies and has had for several months.
Things are changing faster than many yard owners realise.
 
Tbh I'd be looking for another yard. One if the nicest things about being on a DIY yard with friends is that if ever something ever comes up at work, or there is a family emergency I can ring someone and know my horses will be done. Plus the same is true for them.

I can see the point of the YO losing out but if its a true DIY yard it should be up to the individual who does the horse in your absence!
 
Not knowing the YO in question I cannot comment on her motives but what I would say is that as a "money making venture", spending your day p*****g about turning out and bringing in horses is probably not worth the few pence a time you are earning, and there may well be genuine insurance reasons behind the decision.

For all of you saying you have 3rd party insurance which covers your mate bringing in your horse, that only applies if an incident happens for which your horse is responsible. It will not cover the YO's potential responsibilities.

TBH OP rather than listen to random speculation on here (and the usual HHO advice to leave!!! now!!! :rolleyes: ) it sounds like you and your fellow liveries need to seek clarification from your YO.
 
That would be a nightmare for me.
I'm DIY, and my friend whose horse shares a field with mine (who is also DIY) share jobs ALL the time (mainly turnout and bring in, but also holidays etc), as we are both shift workers. It works quite well, and the rare time that neither of us can manage it, the YO provides a job service so we can call on her.
She's been on a lot of yards in her time, which have had rules such as OP is quoting, and that is why she understands how important it is for us to be able to help each other out.
Thank God for her, and her empathy, and OP, I hope your YO backs down :)
 
My insurance covers my employees bringing horses in, turning out etc. but it wouldn't cover people bringing friends horses in for them. Luckily I don't have this problem as I don't offer DIY livery, but I can understand the YO not wanting to be faced with an accident not covered by insurance.

I also understand the YO wanting to stop favours and make a little extra money - there's very little money in this yard lark! People seem to think that every penny they give me goes straight to me, this is not the case. I have huge outgoings on rent, insurance, feed, bedding, hay and haylage, electricity and maintenance. If I offered DIY I would seriously consider going down the same route to be honest. A very large and popular yard nearby which does offer DIY has the same rule, and it works very well.
 
Rowreach said:
Not knowing the YO in question I cannot comment on her motives but what I would say is that as a "money making venture", spending your day p*****g about turning out and bringing in horses is probably not worth the few pence a time you are earning, and there may well be genuine insurance reasons behind the decision.

For all of you saying you have 3rd party insurance which covers your mate bringing in your horse, that only applies if an incident happens for which your horse is responsible. It will not cover the YO's potential responsibilities.

TBH OP rather than listen to random speculation on here (and the usual HHO advice to leave!!! now!!! :rolleyes: ) it sounds like you and your fellow liveries need to seek clarification from your YO.
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Very well put!
 
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