Oh no :(

[tessybear]

i would have thought the same with the chains being there, but i couldnt comment cos i dont know anything about hackneys or how theyre trained. its easy to make a mistake, we cant know everything about everything!

i think people need to learn to correct mistakes and educate others, rather than biting peoples heads off and acting like a know it all teenager..

Hit the nail on the head .... notice in my first post i said " I THINK" i never said omg.. this horse has defo had that practice done , just the look of the chain and shoes worried me slightly

I apologise for being a top notch Jebend all It's late i have 3 essays in for tomorrow and it simply caught my attention.

 

[FionaM12]

theres no need for name calling! OP made a mistake theres no need to get nasty over it.

Where does anyone get called names? "you made a bit of a prat of yourself" is hardly major name-calling (although a tad "direct", I grant you..

I'm happy to admit i made a mistake, just looked remarkably like the things i saw last night on a documentary However the way in which it was handled was rather childish....

* folds arms over chest and huffs*

*tries to smooth Tessybear's ruffled feathers...*

 

[FionaM12]

I apologise for being a top notch Jebend all It's late i have 3 essays in for tomorrow and it simply caught my attention.

*whispers* What's a Jebend? Is it name-calling?

 

[tessybear]

*tries to smooth Tessybear's ruffled feathers...* [/QUOTE]

* squawks whilst throwing this bloody health and social report at fiona *

 

[tessybear]

*whispers* What's a Jebend? Is it name-calling?

- side glances for the HHO admins-
-shuffles closer and whispers-
the tip of a males willy.....

Yes it appears i am bullying myself.. ?

 

[patchwork puzzle]

I personally also thought it looked like the chains and stacked shoes of the big lick. I do not know anything about the practices used with Hackneys and so I am happy to believe it is legal and humane.
However, I do find myself questioning why the Hackney trainers would use a method which looks the same as the chains and shoes used on the big lick horses, especially with the increased publicity that the TWH are getting at the moment in regards to the cruel practice.
I just dont think it is a sensible photo to be using as it is similair enough to provoke a negative reaction in itself.

 

[Goldenstar]

- side glances for the HHO admins-
-shuffles closer and whispers-
the tip of a males willy.....

Yes it appears i am bullying myself.. ?

Well that's what I love about HHO you learn something everyday.

 

[justabob]

I would have no way of knowing if the horse had been sored.

I can say that neither the shoes, nor chains used to 'enhance' natural action look appropriate to me. I prefer horses to look, and move, like horses.

Don't know a great deal about hackneys but last time I saw them shown (in hand and driven) they were a stressed bunch of unhappy creatures and the whole experience reminded me of videos of the worst in Arabian showing. Doesn't mean that is how they always are. Certainly put me off all the 'well respected' trainers that I came into contact with that day though and I suspect they are another unfortunate breed in terms of who they attract as owners.

(And I say that as an Arab-lover!)

I agree with you, they are a very volatile breed and not for everyone. But to see them well handled driving is poetry in motion. Sadly the good Hackney men are a dying breed, Cynthia and Frank Haydon spring to mind.

 

[Aarrghimpossiblepony]

It is a completely legal and common practice to encourage Hackneys to produce their natural gait. Do you condemn the passoa then? The same thing.

If it's natural why does it need encouragement?

Educate me, because as far as I know shoes/hooves and stuff are all about making a horse as comfortable and as able to do their job as possible.

I watched my pony trotting about in the snow, great movement, she was picking her feet up beautifully. But I wouldn't go out of my way to recreate the same conditions so she always felt she had to trot like that.

 

[tessybear]

Well that's what I love about HHO you learn something everyday.

useful information of course

I agree with you, they are a very volatile breed and not for everyone. But to see them well handled driving is poetry in motion. Sadly the good Hackney men are a dying breed, Cynthia and Frank Haydon spring to mind.

In all seriousness thank you for educating me in the matter Justabob

- offers dairy milk back i am demolishing as peace treaty-

 

[FionaM12]

- side glances for the HHO admins-
-shuffles closer and whispers-
the tip of a males willy.....

Yes it appears i am bullying myself.. ?

I'm thinking of pushing that button. can't stand bullies.

 

[YorksG]

Hackney horses do tend to be stressy, unfortunately it appears that they have been bred for looks and action, over tempremant, for a very long time. I think that is one reason why they are such a specialist breed. Plus the action is too extreem to make a good riding horse.

 

[tessybear]

I'm thinking of pushing that button. can't stand bullies.

I am already on the naughty step 2 warnings in 2 days .... don't make me mad Fiona you wont like me when im mad

 

[maccachic]

Oh for gods sake, get a bleddy grip all of you. She will have been strung, hence the shoes, it is a very normal practice with Hackneys to get the action. No soring or cruelty would have been involved at all.

Im am sure you will agree that this practice is not in the best interest of the horse.

 

[justabob]

Hackney horses do tend to be stressy, unfortunately it appears that they have been bred for looks and action, over tempremant, for a very long time. I think that is one reason why they are such a specialist breed. Plus the action is too extreem to make a good riding horse.

That is why they are carriage horses.

 

[YorksG]

That is why they are carriage horses.

That was rather my point!

 

[justabob]

Im am sure you will agree that this practice is not in the best interest of the horse.

*sigh* no, no more than teaching a horse to jump, dressage or race. I am a lone soul here, so I give up. Carry on and be convinced that our Hackney ponies and horses are sored, its what you want to believe so carry on.

 

[tessybear]

*sigh* no, no more than teaching a horse to jump, dressage or race. I am a lone soul here, so I give up. Carry on and be convinced that our Hackney ponies and horses are sored, its what you want to believe so carry on.

Weeeellll..... That esculated quickly

 

[Goldenstar]

Did maccachic say the horse was being sored I don't think she did.

 

[tessybear]

Did maccachic say the horse was being sored I don't think she did.

No i think that was only me, and i have since apologised for being a jebbend

 

[FionaM12]

*sigh* no, no more than teaching a horse to jump, dressage or race. I am a lone soul here, so I give up. Carry on and be convinced that our Hackney ponies and horses are sored, its what you want to believe so carry on.

To be fair I think you've convinced everyone they are not sored.

I started to compose a post asking if people thought dressage, jumping and racing were natural and always comfortable for the horse, but changed my mind as I don't know the facts about Hackneys to back up my argument.

It seems to me that the breeding and training of Hackneys is an old and dying art, they are rare now and date back to a bygone era. There seems little point in people getting all het up about something which is (rightly or wrongly) on its way out anyway, unless you have real evidence of it being cruel.

Perhaps if people really are concerned, they could do some real research, and if they still think the training methods are unacceptable, come back and explain why? As it stands this thread seems a little daft, as it's based on a now cleared up misunderstanding and confusion between Kentucky Walking Horses and Hackneys.

 

[Goldenstar]

No i think that was only me, and i have since apologised for being a jebbend

I got that and know what you think you are now since you helpfully explained.

 

[tessybear]

right im off for the night now, lets leave this at Justabob being correct and i jumped to conclusions wrongly

 

[FionaM12]

right im off for the night now, lets leave this at Justabob being correct and i jumped to conclusions wrongly

'night Tessybear. Twas an easy mistake to make.

 

[justabob]

To be fair I think you've convinced everyone they are not sored.

I started to compose a post asking if people thought dressage, jumping and racing were natural and always comfortable for the horse, but changed my mind as I don't know the facts about Hackneys to back up my argument.

It seems to me that the breeding and training of Hackneys is an old and dying art, they are rare now and date back to a bygone era. There seems little point in people getting all het up about something which is (rightly or wrongly) on its way out anyway, unless you have real evidence of it being cruel.

Perhaps if people really are concerned, they could do some real research, and if they still think the training methods are unacceptable, come back and explain why? As it stands this thread seems a little daft, as it's based on a now cleared up misunderstanding and confusion between Kentucky Walking horses and Hackneys.

Thank you Fiona, you are and will always be the voice of reason.

 

[FionaM12]

Thank you Fiona, you are and will always be the voice of reason.

Many of my friends and colleagues would heartily disagree with you on that.

 

[Goldenstar]

To be fair I think you've convinced everyone they are not sored.

I started to compose a post asking if people thought dressage, jumping and racing were natural and always comfortable for the horse, but changed my mind as I don't know the facts about Hackneys to back up my argument.

It seems to me that the breeding and training of hackneys is an old and dying art, they are rare now and date back to a bygone era. There seems little point in people getting all het up about something which is (rightly or wrongly) on its way out anyway, unless you have real evidence of it being cruel.

Perhaps if people really are concerned, they could do some real research, and if they still think the training methods are unacceptable, come back and explain why? As it stands this thread seems a little daft, as it's based on a misunderstanding and confusion between Kentucky walking horses and hackneys.

Tennessee not Kentucky but that's by the by.
The hackney is in trouble it has no job except in the show ring in the modern world no one needs a thin boned flashy driving horse to look smart in Hyde park part of there appeal was that they showed your wealth because you needed to wealthy to drive such creatures they where the low slung soft top of the driving
Age.
Extreme methods of training are always in my view undesirable and contrary to ethical horsemanship and I would in include weighting horse feet to adjust the gait and action in this .
This is something everyone has to consider when training and using horses whatever disipline they are involved in.

 

[FionaM12]

Tennessee not Kentucky but that's by the by.

Out of interest, what's the difference between the two? or are they two names for the same breed?

 

[justabob]

Tennessee not Kentucky but that's by the by.
The hackney is in trouble it has no job except in the show ring in the modern world no one needs a thin boned flashy driving horse to look smart in Hyde park part of there appeal was that they showed your wealth because you needed to wealthy to drive such creatures they where the low slung soft top of the driving
Age.
Extreme methods of training are always in my view undesirable and contrary to ethical horsemanship and I would in include weighting horse feet to adjust the gait and action in this .
This is something everyone has to consider when training and using horses whatever disipline they are involved in.

I am thinking that you would like the breed to go into the mists of time then. It will more than likely. I think Goldenstar that you should look a little harder at the welfare of horses in the broader spectrum rather than a very rare breed that you never see as welfare cases, Hackney folk are specialist people, and if enhancing their action is the worst they ever do, well so be it.

 

[Sussexbythesea]

Never heard of a jebbend - you learn something new on HHO everyday