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Might not be useful, but surely its informative.

It is. In the eighteen months or so since I've been on HHO I've actually learnt quite a lot of stuff, mostly about horses. ;)

I came back to horse owning after my three decade gap (in which I avoided even looking a horse-related stuff for the sake of my sanity) and had forgotten much of the little I'd learnt last time round. Owning Mollie and dealing with her "issues" :rolleyes: has taught me a lot, as have the lessons I've had and talking to other horse owners, but HHO has given an amazing resource to improve my knowledge on all things equine.

I think I've come back a little too late in life (and with little confidence) to ever be more than a quite poor rider and numpty-ish owner, but there is improvement. :D:D
 

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I am thinking that you would like the breed to go into the mists of time then. It will more than likely. I think Goldenstar that you should look a little harder at the welfare of horses in the broader spectrum rather than a very rare breed that you never see as welfare cases, Hackney folk are specialist people, and if enhancing their action is the worst they ever do, well so be it.

Well you are way off the mark then , my whole post was about seeing ethics in the boarder spectrum.Extreme training methods are undesirable in any disclpine
I would hate to see hackney die out but I fear it's a risk any breed runs when it's use is mainly confined to specialist showing classes.
we had several specialist driving breeds who have disappeared that's sad.
If you think any breed is immune from ending up as a welfare case I think you are mistaken all sorts of horses can end up in trouble for all sorts of reasons but thats nothing to do with the point in hand which is extreme training methods.
 

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From what I know ( knowing someone who owns a Hackney Stallion), the chains or sometimes bells, are to encourage the horse to lift his/her feet up by reaction to the sound of the bells/chains, not the shoes ;) So please don't tarnish every Hackney owner with the same brush :)
 

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oh and while i'm on the subject of shoes, when my horse first had his front shoes on, he reacted by exaggerating the way he lifted his feet up. It's possible that these oversized shoes were also heavier to create the same reaction time after time, and the chains/bells helped to recreate the reaction..
(when you put travel boots on your horse, you sometimes get the same reaction)
 

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I am thinking that you would like the breed to go into the mists of time then. It will more than likely. I think Goldenstar that you should look a little harder at the welfare of horses in the broader spectrum rather than a very rare breed that you never see as welfare cases, Hackney folk are specialist people, and if enhancing their action is the worst they ever do, well so be it.

I do not know enough about the breed to comment.

However, what I will say is that by this comment, you could also then argue that certain dog breeders ie Bulldog, daschund etc etc are 'specialist' people, and that their forte is to 'enhance' the appearance of this breed (in certain people's deranged eyes). Only today I came across somebody who has a pedigree Daschund which is now paralysed and having to have it's bladder expressed. Nice.

I also think that it's quite a naive and sweeping comment to say that 'you never see a Hackney as a welfare case'.
 

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No answer? I have seem Kentucky Walking Horses advertised, and assumed they were pretty much the same thing?

I've never heard of a Kentucky Walking Horse, but a quick google suggests the term usually applies to a Tennessee Walking Horse bred in Kentucky...

I have heard of Kentucky Mountain Horses, which were bred largely from TWH?
 

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You obviously have no idea of the conformation of a Hackney pony, I admit they are not everywhere in this day and age, but before you all spout a load of old rubbish on here, do google the Hackney Pony, you will be supprised about how much you might learn!!

They are not my favourite breed no but people are entitled to an opinion. Or in your case maybe they aren't!
 

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i would have thought the same with the chains being there, but i couldnt comment cos i dont know anything about hackneys or how theyre trained. its easy to make a mistake, we cant know everything about everything!

i think people need to learn to correct mistakes and educate others, rather than biting peoples heads off and acting like a know it all teenager..

100% agreed!
 

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I have read all the way through in an attempt to work out what soring is...anyone? I would Google, but by the sound of it I don't fancy seeing a pic, so a brief description will suffice! Thanks
 

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Justabob, just because you are granted anonymity on the internet does not give you licence to be so rude to OP. Mistakes happen. And there's nothing to say the horse has or has not been sored; I know these things can be difficult to detect.

We can't know everything like you :)
 

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I have read all the way through in an attempt to work out what soring is...anyone? I would Google, but by the sound of it I don't fancy seeing a pic, so a brief description will suffice! Thanks

Justabob, just because you are granted anonymity on the internet does not give you licence to be so rude to OP. Mistakes happen. And there's nothing to say the horse has or has not been sored; I know these things can be difficult to detect.

We can't know everything like you :)

Hit the nail on the head, have said sorry it was late and i was stressed :eek: no excuse for it however.
 

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She's in the Netherlands, not US. Hence why the seller will deliver to Dover. (clue: seller's email ends in .nl).
 

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How old would you like her to be to have a foal? It is very common practice to get a foal out of a well bred mare before they are old enough to be broken to harness/ride.

As I said, assuming that she IS 5, then not a problem, however, if she is a lot younger as suggested, then I think it would be a lot of have done :)
 

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My physio recommends that I ride my horse with chains, to make him use his hind legs better and "be aware" of them.

Since you cannot ride a driving horse, then how do you judge them? Action and smoothness. The hackney was bred to have a high stepping, showy action so any muscle development, schooling is going to achieve this. Just like running your dressage horse over poles to develop their paces.
 
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