Olympic Dressage - Thread 2!

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Cheers, GD. You've competed on the juniors/young riders (sorry, can't remember which or whether it was both!), did you see a marked change in how the younger team are being managed? Are they starting to mirror the continentals?
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Yes they seem to be changing the way things are done now.
When i was doing it, Henk flew in once a month and that was it. If you were haing a problem you went to your own trainer and not to the Squad trainer. Things seem to be alot more Team focused now and not so much, sod it you're on your own!
My personal opinion are there are still a few issues within how the team behave but i would be very silly to say them on a public forum. The quality of horse is ever improving, and you only have to look at Keri and bimba to see that! They will be a force at young riders. Especially now they have new team trainers who are actually based here. (Not sure its common knowledge who it is so wil stay shhh
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The one thing that would be good to see here, is that the best horses are matched with the best riders, money still talks more than talent, but im not sure that will ever change!!
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I have seen it 6 or 8 times at major championships, it never halts & as said early she still gets 4's & 5's. I wish i did when my horse mis behaved!!
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see this has always been the bee in my bonnet!
I used to work with horses who competed at this level (well, you know, big tour, not nec Olympics, though we did have one Olympian on the yard) and I used to try and make sense of it - I would say to my (German) boss 'surely, in theory and of course it is only theory, but in theory a horse/rider combo could come from nowhere, and beat everyone.
And he would say, no, because they have no back story, no one would know them, so no way would they ever win.
And I would say, but if they were Perfect, for goodness sake?
And he would say, no, couldn't happen.
And then I would go and launder 96 leg wraps and 12 saddle cloths and shut up, after all what do I know -
but ... WHY IS THAT?
Proper dressage riders, can you answer me?!
 
Because as bad as it may be, you have to accepted onto the circuit.
YEs good marks can be obtained, but the judges would be very wary to put an unknown above the big boys.
ALthough if they are good, they dont stay unknown for long!

ETA had a little giggle at the laundering 96 leg wraps.
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Bloody things, but not quite as annoying as when the bandages come out stupidly wraped up.
 
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YEs good marks can be obtained, but the judges would be very wary to put an unknown above the big boys.


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Surely that contradicts everything we are taught about fair competition and judging?

It is truly the case that they are seemingly marked on the name, not the work unfortunately.
 
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It is truly the case that they are seemingly marked on the name, not the work unfortunately.

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Not necesarily, but if you know someone good is entering your arena, and you have judged it and liked it before, it will be human nature to already have positive thoughts in your head.
The judges still gave anky 4's for her final halt, so this shows it is not all about the name!
 
Exactly.
And it's true, I can tell you that, even at just ever so slightly below this level.
I've never understood how it can be so openly agreed! I realise it *would* be difficult to put Joe Bloggs above Anky, but always expected them at least to pretend that in theory they would! If you see what I mean?
 
Put it in a social context - If you are going to meet a guy in a bar, and your friend has told you that he is intelligent, funny, talented etc etc. or you have seen him previously and thought the same, your opinion will already be better of him and you will more likely forgive little niggles or ignore them, if you had been told that he is a ugly and short with a crap job you will be looking more closely for faults.
 
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The judges still gave anky 4's for her final halt, so this shows it is not all about the name!

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Well it is a bit, because to be honest, the halt wasn't performed, was it?!
 
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Put it in a social context - If you are going to meet a guy in a bar, and your friend has told you that he is intelligent, funny, talented etc etc. or you have seen him previously and thought the same, your opinion will already be better of him and you will more likely forgive little niggles or ignore them, if you had been told that he is a ugly and short with a crap job you will be looking more closely for faults.

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You are totally totally right - but I just always expected them to at least claim to attempt to put it out of their minds!
 
Very true, but in that situation it is not your job to officially judge a person in a competition, on a supposed level playing field
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The judges still gave anky 4's for her final halt, so this shows it is not all about the name!

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Well it is a bit, because to be honest, the halt wasn't performed, was it?!

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But was it part of another movement?
You could in theory say the same about mistakes in changes.
The test says, 9 Flying changes every 2 strides. A mistake in counting or a late behind, technically means the movement was not performed as directed!
 
Judges will be as fair as they can possibly be, and that is why with 5 judges it should be fairer, also if the judge from the rider's nation, Over or Under marks there will be an investigation. But we have to remember that just like our riders, they are only human.
Of course we are sitting here watching from a strange angle, it could all look very different from C,M,H,B and E. And things such as straightness in the Piaffe are difficult to see unless you are sat at the marker.
 
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The judges still gave anky 4's for her final halt, so this shows it is not all about the name!

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Well it is a bit, because to be honest, the halt wasn't performed, was it?!

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But was it part of another movement?
You could in theory say the same about mistakes in changes.
The test says, 9 Flying changes every 2 strides. A mistake in counting or a late behind, technically means the movement was not performed as directed!

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I see where you're going, but it's 'Halt. Immobility. Salute'

So to be charitable, that 4 was for the salute
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