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If anyone in Cheshire, north staffs or north Derbyshire has any Abler Omeprazole that they can wait a couple of weeks to be replaced, could you PM me to help me out of a tight spot.
Thanks very much.
 
JillA said:
I might have some human version left over from when Reg had it - any use? I think they were 30mg ones. I'm not far from the Cheshire border.
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Yes please I've been using human stuff so far. Can you PM me your details and I'll happily come and collect if you are around later today and my order doesn't arrive in the post today. My mail won't arrive until about two, so I won't know til then.
 
Lucky Lady said:
Did you get this sorted?
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No, I can't get to Jill A before Saturday and the move to this year's crop of haylage has really upset him even though I did it over a week, Nothing else calms his gut down, even though it's a hind gut issue. Abler tell me it may take til Tuesday to get here and I really need it tomorrow (Friday).
 
I know it's disgustingly expensive, but could you get enough GastroGuard from your vet to tide you over?
 
cptrayes said:
Not really. He's never been diagnosed by a vet.
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As before (yawn). If you're going to do this then DON'T do it in the public domain.........It's illegal:

- to import medication which is prescription only in the UK.
- to use a non-licensed product where a licensed product is available.
- to dispense ( including 'lending' ) a prescription only medicine.
- to administer prescription only medication to an animal other than on specific veterinary instruction.

Okay - I realise that it's not crack cocaine - but that's the law and VMD can & will defend it vigorously!
 
Keflavik said:
As before (yawn). If you're going to do this then DON'T do it in the public domain.........It's illegal:

- to import medication which is prescription only in the UK.
- to use a non-licensed product where a licensed product is available.
- to dispense ( including 'lending' ) a prescription only medicine.
- to administer prescription only medication to an animal other than on specific veterinary instruction.

Okay - I realise that it's not crack cocaine - but that's the law and VMD can & will defend it vigorously!
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I think your advice is out of date.

I do not believe that it is any longer illegal to import Omeprazole, a drug that can be legally bought from eBay for humans in the thousands. I also believe that it is perfectly legal for me to give Omeprazole to my horse. It is not a prescription only medication for humans and I believe that I can feed it to my horse if I choose as long as I am not harming him, just as I could, if I wished, give him antihistamines. It is in my opinion also safe, there are no recorded adverse side effects in horses that I can find. I do not require a diagnosis, I know from trial and error that if he shows sensitivity to a change of diet then Omeprazole will calm him. I don't really mind why it works, it just does, and no other supplement does.

If you genuinely believe that it is illegal to import blue bobbles of Omeprazole in enteric coating when it is not illegal to import white bobbles of Omeprazole in enteric coating, I'd would genuinely be interested in knowing your reasoning because I would not knowingly do it if it is genuinely illegal.
 
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Sidney said:
Regardless of any legalities - I would never give my horses drugs without a vet to confirm a diagnosis......
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Jolly good for you. I will if I can safely help my horse be less spooky on a change of the season's forage, without subjecting him to tubes stuck down his oesophagus, and then pay four times what I need to for the drug that works completely safely.

But thanks for your comment anyway :)
 
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Sidney said:
As I said, if it was 'my' horse......but each to their own, and hope you have resolved your issue.
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Yes thankfully, a lovely person has sent me some for delivery tomorrow, so I've just missed his dose today, which shouldn't cause a problem as he is already settling to the new haylage from the look of his poo.

He's in rehab from a kissing spines operation, done by vets who knew I had him on human's Omeprazole because the pain from the spines very often causes ulcers. He was off it but when he went spooky with the new crop of haylage I dared not take the risk of him confusing stomach ache and back ache. I have coaxed him through his fear of pain for eight weeks and the last thing he needs right now he is progressing so well is an acid gut to worry about.

Thank goodness, the drug is extremely safe and many horses, particularly in the US are on a low dose of it permanently. I'm not taking any risks, just avoiding unnecessary cost.

And I misjudged my stock level that I kept to buffer until the arrival of a new order. I won't make that mistake again!
 
it is illegal to import it... (was when i did....)!.

Gastrogard have the patent/licence for it so unlikely be okayed in the UK being almost 1/3 of the price!!


fwiw - it DOES work..... its exactly the same as gastrogard... (for those who are against it!) :)


Bummer its out of date - as a few days ago i found 7 tubes of gastrogard knocking about...!
 
noodle_ said:
it is illegal to import it... (was when i did....)!.

Gastrogard have the patent/licence for it so unlikely be okayed in the UK being almost 1/3 of the price!!


fwiw - it DOES work..... its exactly the same as gastrogard... (for those who are against it!) :)


Bummer its out of date - as a few days ago i found 7 tubes of gastrogard knocking about...!
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The law changed last year when human Omeprazole came off prescription and became an over the counter drug. It is now legal, as far as I can tell, to buy Omeprazole in bulk through the internet, there are several suppliers on eBay. I'm struggling to see how importing blue stuff with a picture of a horse on the box will be prosecuted while importing the same quantity of the identical drug in white colour can not. If anyone tells me that it is and gives me evidence, then I'll stick with human stuff.
 
cptrayes said:
The law changed last year when human Omeprazole came off prescription and became an over the counter drug. It is now legal, as far as I can tell, to buy Omeprazole in bulk through the internet, there are several suppliers on eBay. I'm struggling to see how importing blue stuff with a picture of a horse on the box will be prosecuted while importing the same quantity of the identical drug in white colour can not. If anyone tells me that it is and gives me evidence, then I'll stick with human stuff.
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going from last year when i imported it - (horse stuff - "pop rocks"...!)...its legal for america/abler to export but its illegal for the uk/us to import it....

cant see you getting banged up for it tbh... but i imported in small quantities in case it got confiscated...

because of the licencing of the product it is not on the shelves as horsey omaprazole, its gastrogard form in that paste... they are the suppliers (GG) not in pop rocks form - if that makes sense.....

thats my understanding :)
 
The daft thing is that if a vet prescribes they are only allowed to prescribe Gastrogard because it's the only licensed product. But I don't believe it is illegal for an owner to feed a harmless substance to their horse. Of course it's a drug, but so are many of the things sold as supplements, like glucosamine, devil's claw, hla, msm etc, so the only thing that matters really is whether it works and is safe.
 
The clue with him is always whether he tries to leave the arena or happily does circuits past the gate without suggesting that going back to his stable would be a better idea. He was good today, so he's fine thanks :)
 
Just be careful on here as what you are asking is illegal and you dont know whos watching.As you are aware the Abler stuff is illegal to use in this country let alone transferring it between people.
 
As a matter of interest, if omeprazole is now an over the counter item could you not have bought some locally? What did the local pharmacies say (don't tell them it is for horses, they won't sell it to you if you do)?
 
cptrayes said:
The daft thing is that if a vet prescribes they are only allowed to prescribe Gastrogard because it's the only licensed product. But I don't believe it is illegal for an owner to feed a harmless substance to their horse. Of course it's a drug, but so are many of the things sold as supplements, like glucosamine, devil's claw, hla, msm etc, so the only thing that matters really is whether it works and is safe.
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its illegal to import it....end of!....

whether you choose to feed it to your horse is upto you.....i did and i also imported it in small quantities.... its not, however illegal for the states to export it.... the blame lies with us who import


JillA said:
As a matter of interest, if omeprazole is now an over the counter item could you not have bought some locally? What did the local pharmacies say (don't tell them it is for horses, they won't sell it to you if you do)?
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you would need a rediculous amount of human stuff to equivalence for horses....hence why omaprazole from the USA is imported... cheaper and the right dose...


gastrogard has the licence for it.......hence why is stupidly expensive as they are the only ones that are legally allowed to sell the equine version.
 
Just caught up with the rest of thread I am afraid CPT you are mistaken ,only one form of omeprazole is licensed OTC(cost nealy£1/tab as oposed to 10p tab for the prescription) for humans ,All other forms are prescription only .The stuff on ebay is sold from India or the far east and is not permitted to be imported into the UK but because the system is bombarded by the product some gets through.
Also you state that self prescribing is OK however it is not harmless and has some nasty side effects if fed over an extended period (months) these side effects include physical and mental! You have to ask yourself if indeed it is harmless why do you need a script for it.
Just to clarify as well although a lot of people buy from Abler believing they are american the product is manufactured and shipped from India .Omeprazole is just as illegal to import into the States as here and is prescription only there
 
popsdosh said:
Just caught up with the rest of thread I am afraid CPT you are mistaken ,only one form of omeprazole is licensed OTC(cost nealy£1/tab as oposed to 10p tab for the prescription) for humans ,All other forms are prescription only .The stuff on ebay is sold from India or the far east and is not permitted to be imported into the UK but because the system is bombarded by the product some gets through.
Also you state that self prescribing is OK however it is not harmless and has some nasty side effects if fed over an extended period (months) these side effects include physical and mental! You have to ask yourself if indeed it is harmless why do you need a script for it.
Just to clarify as well although a lot of people buy from Abler believing they are american the product is manufactured and shipped from India .Omeprazole is just as illegal to import into the States as here and is prescription only there
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i thought they were legal to export but we were not to import? (my mistake!)

i know when i got it the shipping address was from the Seychelles? (sp!?)..... i would be wary of the source, very wary - i did feed it for a while and it was deemed to have worked but lifestyle with ulcers plays a massive part
 
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