omg new horse may be eh broken heart broken b4 i know

madalicedj

madalicedj

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Ok need 2 watch what i say here as i may be taking legal action against dealer and more so the vet who passed 5 stage vetting 5 wks ago
Long story short i bought from dealer a lovely horse who was under weight with no muscle as he apparently has hunted and been turned away all winter
Apparently a 7yr old gelding ISH the vetting saud 3 lines about few cuts n scrapes but passed but noted microchip number found that wasnt on passport
i got this after the horse arrived
1st thing hes not 7 or ish hes 9 and pure thoroughbred
ok not a huge issue hes so sweet and kind you would love him trust me
potential big prob discovered yesterday that it looks as if i now know why he ALWAYS rests his right hind leg. And stiff on certian rein and pigeon toed. An old fractured pelvis. Was also lame on right hind when looked at lunging.
I am not the best horse person or rider in the world but I took a best friend who has bought and sold a lot and trusted a 5 stage vetting . Im not looking for olimpic but safe and sound with ability to try all aspects whilst I improve. And be my best pal My best pal he is but if this is going to hinder him I have to be brutal and not keep him which is tearing me apart.
Anyone any advise
I have new vet friend uses with their horses coming tomor or sat to hopefully find out what I may or may not be dealing with
The night b4 i found this out i was looking at shows we could enter Not cause were fab and want the glory but cause i want to get better and enjoy my horse now im on hold in case i lose him and have to start looking all over again :confused::(
 
I dont understand how you know he has an old injury?? Did you not see the horse was pigeon toed?

Is the horse lame??
 
no i wouldnt know to look for pigeon toe etc
yard manager noticed it and advised to get a chiropracter out about stiffness
she (chiropracter) checked him yesterday and said what her suspisions were withing 2 min
Yard manager with over 20yr dealing with horses as did I felt where prob was in hips when shown how to and its def noticable. left hop bome normal outward curve if you get what i mean right side its hollow dipping in or rather missing almost
Sorry if im not good explaining :confused:
know hes lame yesterday as he was lunged for 2 secs for chiropracter and we all saw it on right rein
 
I havent contacted the dealer again or the vet until I get official second opinion from vet. I know roughly my legal right and that i am covered Its the vet whos in biggest do do really

i did contact dealer regarding age etc but he said i was getting a better horse then id thought with that news If i wasnt happy hes take him back and give full refund Sure that wouldnt include all my costs though im entitled to them
 
If the horse is sound, I can't work out from your post if he is, is in work and is still able to do all you want with him, I can't see the problem.

I was once told by a chiropractor that my horse had kissing spine. Much crying and a vet visit later, it was a fetlock problem.

My advice, don't get your knickers in a twist until you have the full picture.

As far as I'm aware, a horse won't fail a vetting on pigeon toes and the age thing again isn't a precise thing either, the vet makes an estimate via the teeth unless presented with evidence otherwise.
 
A vetting is only valid on the day it is done, you say the vetting was done 5 weeks ago, have you ridden the horse in the past 5 weeks? could it have pulled itself while turned out resulting in lameness? Were you preset for the vetting to ask questions?
 
Did you speak to the vet after the vetting? Or did you just buy the horse? Sorry I am puzzled as my vets always ring me if I cant be there. Did you trace the microchip after you had bought him?

I wouldnt take the word of a chiro over a vet tbh. In tandem with the vet yes, but would get my own vet out first.
 
its the old fractured pelvis that worries me most. He showed a lot of pain at it being toughed and explains the leg resting stiffness throwing head up and transitions his left hind is swollen in mornings after hes been laying on it but calms down after hes been turned out. So far hes coped well with what ive asked apart frm his back legs sliding under him a lot and throwing head back
On shoes side i think dealer just chucked em on they doent fit right and hes not standing flat to ground on them its like his on the front of his toes you can see light under the back of them at backs The farrier is booked to come out nxt week though n think road studs are an idea
 
the dealer was willing to take horse back during 1st month warranty when i discovered about wrong age etc thats past now ive found out about poss probs with hip
I havent told dealer or vet who did the vetting yet until i get second opinion and know whats going on for sure
 
SilverSkye said:
A vetting is only valid on the day it is done, you say the vetting was done 5 weeks ago, have you ridden the horse in the past 5 weeks? could it have pulled itself while turned out resulting in lameness? Were you preset for the vetting to ask questions?
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I wasnt there when vetting was done. The question isnt about vet not noticing horse age or lameness that showed yesterday its how he missed an old fracture to hip
 
madalicedj said:
I wasnt there when vetting was done. The question isnt about vet not noticing horse age or lameness that showed yesterday its how he missed an old fracture to hip
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Unless he had xray specs, he'd never know. I don't think if you ask for xrays on vetting that they xray the pelvis.

To me he sounds like an ex National Hunt horse that has had a few falls in his time and is showing some wear and tear due to that .... doesn't necessarily mean he has fractured his pelvis.

See what your vet says when he sees him, then worry about what to do.
If I was in your shoes, the last thing I'd be thinking is to sue somebody. I'd be ascertaining if there is actually anything wrong with him.
 
If you take this to the small claims court you are required to give the dealer time to act. You have to be seen to be being reasonable as does the dealer. The dealer has offered a full refund on the basis of what you are surmising.I think that would be deemed good practice and you should think yourself lucky.

Have you got detailed records that the horse has had a broken pelvis or is it just suspected? Where is your proof?

Take the refund and move on.
 
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indeed I agree
I certianly felt a differance like seriously it couldnt be not felt and thats saying something
However is it from old fracture or what
If it is it was certianly present before I bought him and whilst vets are human and can miss things its a bit of a worry
the vet called me to say it was ok and only commented verbally about a large bump to rear hind leg when i asked but he didnt note it in vetting just said and i quote "minor cuts and grazes on body and legs. Old splint on right fore. Not vaccinated" That was it. No mention of the large pussy bump on rear right leg the diamater of a 2p say (which is healing nice now) nothing else age taken from passport which i now know was wrong info
just seems very vague for a 5 stage vetting
yes im panicing we all do when it comes to our horses n ponies but i feel i may have cause for concern
im sorry i dont explain as well as needed but im trying here folks
 
was this an independent vet? Or one the dealer recommended?

Have you had the certificate back? The vets have to draw a diagram of the horse. Have you double checked it is definitly the same horse?
 
dozzie said:
If you take this to the small claims court you are required to give the dealer time to act. You have to be seen to be being reasonable as does the dealer. The dealer has offered a full refund on the basis of what you are surmising.I think that would be deemed good practice and you should think yourself lucky.

Have you got detailed records that the horse has had a broken pelvis or is it just suspected? Where is your proof?

Take the refund and move on.
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ok 1st thing I cant take a refund as that only applied when i 1st contacted dealer regarding the age and passport issue within the 1st month. I have just got the info that there may be hip issue yesterday so I am waiting to get a vet to confirm if there is a problem so i havent contacted the dealer or vet who vetted until I know. Makes sense right?
p.s to every1 sorry about the spelling 1 i txt far too much and 2 im dyslexic but i think i do ok....ish :confused:
 
But what is it you would like to happen? Do you want to give the horse back for a refund? Do you want to keep it?
ETS: Unless you contact the dealer, you will not know if the refund is possible, will you now?
 
I am sorry you are having problems with your horse, but I think you need to take a deep breath and wait for the vet to have a proper look.

Neither a chiro nor a vet can diagnose a broken and healed pelvis by sight alone. If the vet suspects this, you will need to get x-rays done and see where you stand. To have a case against the original vet you will need to prove that this is something that he should have seen at the time, but if the horse was sound and has remained sound in the 5 weeks you have had him, I don't think you have much of a chance. To have a case against the dealer you will need to prove that he knew about the broken pelvis (if indeed it is broken) but that one is even more impossible.

There is a good chance your horse has tweaked something and can be easily treated by your current vet, so I would explore these options first, rather than come-back to the original vet or dealer.
 
galaxy23 said:
was this an independent vet? Or one the dealer recommended?

Have you had the certificate back? The vets have to draw a diagram of the horse. Have you double checked it is definitly the same horse?
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Hello yes i now have cert and it def the same horse i suspect its a vet the dealer knows And yes I know its iffy but I belived vets are too worried about getting in trouble to mess about (silly me i know)
I am now getting a different vet to check who was recommended by my friend who uses them with their horses
 
martlin said:
But what is it you would like to happen? Do you want to give the horse back for a refund? Do you want to keep it?
ETS: Unless you contact the dealer, you will not know if the refund is possible, will you now?
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I want him to be ok but if not it would be foolish to keep him no matter how bonded I am and yes I would expect dealer to refund
I will wait until I know if i have a prob to deal with I hear good and bad about dealer in question
 
Booboos said:
I am sorry you are having problems with your horse, but I think you need to take a deep breath and wait for the vet to have a proper look.

Neither a chiro nor a vet can diagnose a broken and healed pelvis by sight alone. If the vet suspects this, you will need to get x-rays done and see where you stand. To have a case against the original vet you will need to prove that this is something that he should have seen at the time, but if the horse was sound and has remained sound in the 5 weeks you have had him, I don't think you have much of a chance. To have a case against the dealer you will need to prove that he knew about the broken pelvis (if indeed it is broken) but that one is even more impossible.

There is a good chance your horse has tweaked something and can be easily treated by your current vet, so I would explore these options first, rather than come-back to the original vet or dealer.
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yes i need to calm down The suspected old fracture wasnt by sight alone it was putting all things together but mainly palpitation. Ok its not an xray but it did not feel right I know horses are not symetrical but this was totally diff. so i am hoping even if it is an old fracture that it healed fine as hes calm etc. but i am getting it properly checked.
I have spoken about it in more detail with vet whos coming out and he was very clear on legal fronts and that from discription so far the vet who vetted can be pursued and quiet easily.
Mainly im scared n worried. Yup getting ahead of myself. (dont we all when we fear the worst) I wont be clearly explaining what happened but this isnt a wee case of oh maybe he pulled a muscle its different that I know. What I dont know is if its going to be a big issue or an on going problem. And i need a sounding board. Im a worrier In my job it helps to think of all poss senarios. That way im prepared for all eventualities (Im in law)
 
benson21 said:
My thoughts exactly!!!! This is ringing too many bells for me!!!!!
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yes i did its a dealer mentioned here quite a bit
I know it is a buisness for them but well its not been going well so far and they know what they are doing they should know to look out for stuff still its buy cheap and make a profit
i think he sold me a genuine horse in nature but as for soundness of use We will have to wait and see
 
dozzie said:
Did you get him from the Southeast?
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yes i did its a dealer mentioned here quite a bit
I know it is a buisness for them but well its not been going well so far and they know what they are doing they should know to look out for stuff still its buy cheap and make a profit
i think he sold me a genuine horse in nature but as for soundness of use We will have to wait and see
 
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