One man and his Pitbull - as promised

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This is what you get when you ask an Italian man for a photo of his dog...

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I met some brutish dogs on holiday, but the one think that struck me is that they were not so called status dogs at all. They were breeds looked into and understood by their owners, celebrated for their heritage and abilities BUT most of all, well trained, well socialised dogs.

Maybe we need to take some pointers from Europe. Having a 'ard dog doesn't make you impressive. Having a 'ard dog and it being a poppet - does!

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Yeah I think he said 6 months old. He was out letting it watch children play in the park and inviting people to stroke him, doing a lot of good socialisation which too few people do nowerdays!
 
Beautiful dog but if that is a pitbull it is a very badly bred one. Really looks nothing like a well bred pit.

I will find some pictures to compare the two when i get home though!

I will say it is refreshing to see a much better attitude about the bullies breeds though!
YAY!
 
EXCEPT in Germany !! Bull terriers,pits,amstaffs and staffies are "verboten" due to daft laws after a drug dealer`s two pits got into a school yard in North Germany and killed a child.Instant illegality of bull breeds. Even mini bull terriers have to be pure bred,and as we interbreed with big bull terriers in UK a lot for health reasons my poor friends in Germany are not allowed to import some interbred puppies.In fact one friend had to get her 50/50 mini over the French border in a moon light flit.
We walked a Frenchie in Nuremberg last Monday (I was over there dog show judging),the reaction is "ooh how sweet" but had she been a bull terrier the reaction would have been abuse towards the dog .Daft ,is`nt it?
 
EAST KENT said:
EXCEPT in Germany !! Bull terriers,pits,amstaffs and staffies are "verboten" due to daft laws after a drug dealer`s two pits got into a school yard in North Germany and killed a child.Instant illegality of bull breeds. Even mini bull terriers have to be pure bred,and as we interbreed with big bull terriers in UK a lot for health reasons my poor friends in Germany are not allowed to import some interbred puppies.In fact one friend had to get her 50/50 mini over the French border in a moon light flit.
We walked a Frenchie in Nuremberg last Monday (I was over there dog show judging),the reaction is "ooh how sweet" but had she been a bull terrier the reaction would have been abuse towards the dog .Daft ,is`nt it?
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Well done Germany. The Germans obviously care very much more about the safety of their children than do the British.
 
Not really ..if you had any knowledge of bull breeds (the currant whipping boy) you would know better of their character than to have said that. At the moment it is a case of a very gullible and easily led people being mislead by doggie racist false information , sounds a tad familiar somehow.:confused:
 
EAST KENT said:
Not really ..if you had any knowledge of bull breeds (the currant whipping boy) you would know better of their character than to have said that. At the moment it is a case of a very gullible and easily led people being mislead by doggie racist false information , sounds a tad familiar somehow.:confused:
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I'm not sure if this is meant for me...

I do have knowledge of bull breeds, having been very concerned for some years now about the incidence of dog attacks on children and adults.

However, 'the currant whipping boy' in Scotland at the moment is the Rottweiler owing to a recent case in Dundee where a child was savaged by two of them. In fact there have been several attacks by that breed in recent years, some of them fatal to children.

I have long held that the German approach should be adopted in Britain (although Scotland seems to be taking the issue of dangerous dogs more seriously of late), and have always been shot down by hysterical reaction from the breed advocates claiming, as they do, that the dogs are never to blame. Whilst I agree that responsible breeding and management seldom creates problem dogs that is hardly the norm, so we are left with indiscriminate breeding by badly motivated people who don't care about breed profiles, reputations, or those children who survive dog attacks and have to live with the experience.

My concern with bull breeds is the dilution of the gene pool as the unscrupulous among us strive to breed dogs which are cross-bred enough to be untouchable in terms of the law. We now have the ridiculous situation where there are dangerous dogs, recognised as such by a law, and equally dangerous dogs which, because they are not a pure breed, are not recognised by that law.

The trouble is, I think, there are those who's love for there dogs is greater than is their concern for other people's mauled and murdered children.

Like caveCanem, I can't be bothered writing a huge long speil about it again, particularly as we all know what is going on. Suffice to say, I am more keen on protecting children from dangerous dogs than I am about peoples' rights to keep one.
 
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There are other people on here better qualified than I am to comment on this subject but I have always felt that dogs should be judged on their behaviour not their breeding. Certainly there are some breeds that are capable of causing more damage than others but the rotties and bull breeds I have met have only ever been friendly well mannered dogs that I would have been happy to have in my home but I have lost count of all the aggressive unpleasant terriers (mainly but also other breeds) I have met and I have a friend who nearly lost an eye to an attack by a Jack Russell.
 
A dog of any breed is only as well behaved as it is taught;my point is that clearly you do not understand what loving couch potatoes bull breeds are.If they are owned and gee`d up by young louts that is hardly the breeds fault is it? Deed not Breed is the phrase often used.
Obviously your mind is now programmed..but if you dare do find time to watch Caeser Milan ..pit bulls everywhere,but the problem dogs are hardly ever them.
What I was implying about Germany was nothing to do with your daft remark.
Maybe an analysis of breed/dog bite ratios would be a good ditection for you to go in..you`d be in for a surprise.
 
EK - I've heard sports/civil/protection/service dog trainers say pits are much, much more handler-sensitive than the continental herding breeds (German, Belgian, Dutch)...is that your experience? Or Katie_Lou, if you're around....
 
CaveCanem said:
EK - I've heard sports/civil/protection/service dog trainers say pits are much, much more handler-sensitive than the continental herding breeds (German, Belgian, Dutch)...is that your experience? Or Katie_Lou, if you're around....
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Pits are useless guard dogs, useless at protection work Unless you want protecting against coyotes. It is fairly hard to get a pit to be human aggressive at all.

I'm having a major dim day today after a long night up with a very sick dog :rolleyes: So maybe you can expand on what you mean by handler- sensitive.
 
Well, say your Shep or Mali or Dutchie did something wrong out on the field, and you gave it some verbal, a lot of them would say, well F You! right back - wheras a pit would be quite upset.
(Sports/civil dogs aren't meant to be human aggressive - a lot of them are worked in prey/play drive - IE the sleeve is the prize, not the guy, or defence drive, the guy is only the target as long as he is presenting a threat to the handler)

ETA - Sorry to hear you have a sickie! :(
 
CaveCanem said:
Well, say your Shep or Mali or Dutchie did something wrong out on the field, and you gave it some verbal, a lot of them would say, well F You! right back - wheras a pit would be quite upset.
(Sports/civil dogs aren't meant to be human aggressive - a lot of them are worked in prey/play drive - IE the sleeve is the prize, not the guy, or defence drive, the guy is only the target as long as he is presenting a threat to the handler)
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Oh yeah they would be upset. They are huge people pleasers! I have never met another breed that is so desperate to please.
 
A quick google reveals....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ausage-dogs-are-the-most-aggressive-dogs.html

They may be small, but new research found that one in five dachshunds have bitten or tried to bite strangers, and a similar number have attacked other dogs; one in 12 have snapped at their owners.

Known as sausage dogs for their elongated bodies, dachshunds have not, until now, had a fearsome reputation, although they were originally bred to hunt badgers in their setts.

However, they topped a list of 33 breeds which were rated for their aggression, after academics analysed the behaviour of thousands of dogs.

Chihuahuas, an even smaller breed, were the second most hostile, regularly snapping or attempting to bite strangers, family and other dogs. Another small favourite, the Jack Russell, was third.
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Breeds scoring low for aggression included Basset hounds, golden retrievers, labradors, Siberian huskies and greyhounds.

The rottweiler, pit bull and Rhodesian ridgeback scored average or below average marks for hostility towards strangers.
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An article from 2008 admittedly, but still...
 
Here's another one:
http://www.dogbiteclaims.co.uk/dangerous-breeds.html

A recent study carried out on 6,000 dogs and their owners found out 33 of the most aggressive dogs, and also those which have good temperaments. The study involved collecting data from two different groups. The first group consisted of 11 different breeds and the second was an online survey mainly involving owners, including 33 breeds. The conclusions from both groups were similar. It looked at the different types of aggression such as towards other dogs, towards strangers and towards owners. Some of the results were surprising, below are the top ten most aggressive breed:

1. Dachshunds
2. Chihuahua
3. Jack Russell
4. Australian Cattle Dog
5. Cocker Spaniel
6. Beagle
7. Border Collie
8. Pit Bull Terrier
9. Great Dane
10. English Springer Spaniel
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Since cockers are apparently more dangerous than pits, I should probably take Henry straight to the vets first thing tomorrow, right?:rolleyes:
 
There you go..the proof.Now pardon me whilst my couch potato slides off the sofa (damn,warm footstool gone!) goes out,under protest for a wee..and then back to base camp. God ,how vicious is that?:D
 
And to continue my defence of pits..on Animal Cops Houston last night..61 fighting pits were removed..ALL of them were sweet to handle,and on the prog it was stated that it was really quite hard to get a pit "human aggressive".Houston SPCA is one of my monthly debit charities BTW. It`s on Animal Planet every night this week.They do great work with horses too.
 
The trouble with your list, Spudlet, is if any of the smaller breeds bite a child they probsably aren't going to either kill it or take its face off.
I have been stalked by a pit bull, in Australia - it was a friends, he left it in the house with me while he went out and it flipped - it was bloody scary. At least you can kick a jack russell off your ankle.
 
Clodagh said:
The trouble with your list, Spudlet, is if any of the smaller breeds bite a child they probsably aren't going to either kill it or take its face off.
I have been stalked by a pit bull, in Australia - it was a friends, he left it in the house with me while he went out and it flipped - it was bloody scary. At least you can kick a jack russell off your ankle.
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I beg your pardon, but a jack russel could do a hell of a lot of damage to a small child.

And it's not 'my' list, but one produced by researchers.
 
The parents of two babies that were savaged by foxes might want to disagree also.

EK, was just thinking last night, ironically (and bearing in mind my PM :p) if my breed ever does go on the list, Germany would be the first place I would be heading!
 
Breeds scoring low for aggression included... Siberian huskies
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Damn straight. Yet they consistently appear in the top ten dangerous dog lists. This wouldn't have anything at all to do with being owned by numpties who under-exercise them and then wonder why they're doing the furniture olympics and biting their children for a reaction and entertainment. :o

And LOL, CC, I expect they would look after their own. :D
 
The problem isn't the breed - it's people
a) too lazy to research their breed
b) too proud to admit when they can't handle their mischosen breed
c) too stupid to realise an aggressive dog isn't impressive.

Whilst out walking my two jacks, we met another terrier, likely a lakeland cross, as she was russet red. The dogs chatted nicely for a time and then little red found a tennis ball and all hell broke lose. After the chasing it finally ended in an altercation (little red lost her temper with Roly pulling the end!) and they had stern words.

A lot of people would shout "nasty terriers!! Vicious dogs! Why didn't their owner have them under control?!!!"

I simply corrected Roly with a click and a stern word, little red's owner took the ball off her. Situation diffused.

Problem solved.

Probably controversial but here it goes:

I think the problem with the UK and its reaction to supposed dangerous dogs is two fold - 1) we have a high percentage of useless scroats and 2) we have a high percentage of highyl strung, middle aged women who have dogs as their second child when they realise first child has flown the nest and doesn't enjoy being mothered any more. They half read newspaper stories printed in our oh so accurate press, gossip over afternoon tea with other neurotic mothers and formulate completely crazy opinions on things they know nothing about. After forcing these opinions on long suffering husband (who stopped having opinions of his own YEARS ago, after the last nagging tirade lasted 24hours) they then go out and walk little Snuffy-wuffy and are confronted by a dog of mixed breed but with a bullish head (ergo its a Pitbull!) and when little Snuffy-wuffs takes his ego rage (he's been forced to wear pink ffs!) out on said mixed breed its just another reason for Neurotic crazy middle aged woman to say to her friends over quiche the next day..
"You know all those bull breeds should be banned...a Pitbull savaged my Snuffs..."
:p
 
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