One thing after another! . . .

LeannePip

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Is it 2016 yet?

At the tail end of 2014 we'd had a couple of good confidence boosting runs round a couple of hunter trials, bought a lorry, cracked on with some show jumping including DC in our first 1m and enjoyed several days on the hunt field and did our first novice dressage test and getting 64% all psyched up for an early un-aff run at Munstead in March, this was the first mistake, planning something more than a couple of weeks in advance!

From here things started going downhill considerably faster than they usually do when things start going well for us! so with a horse dropping weight by the day, refusing to do anything on the left rein and becoming increasingly mardy, we headed to Hampshire Equine for Teeth, Scoping and X-Rays. Teeth OK, need some follow up work from November as expected but on the whole 100x better and no progression with the Peridontal disease or Gingevitus. Scope Bad! lots of discolouration, ulcers of varying degrees and lots of other vet stuff that i cannot even begin to understand, in layman's terms it wasn't good news! Plus a burst blood vessel on the way down made the exam suite look like a massacre had taken place! X Rays on the back were clear and beautiful, nothing to report, x rays to the skull showed the left hand tempular Mandibular joint was compromised on the left hand side which would go part way to explaining her reluctance on the left, but whether this is a by product of the poor dentistry she has received in the past or the cause is hard to establish as this joint is generally over looked.

This is a couple of days before the scope - despite all the feed we could get into her 3-4x per day ad-lib haylege - nothing was sticking!

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With instructions from the vet and a checkup 2 weeks in we were advised to keep a regular level of work up due to her history with UFP. We started the Omeprazole and waited . . .

6 weeks later all ready to go back for a check up and i get a call at 8am to tell me that Pip's stifle had completely locked and they couldn't get it free - Que a vet visit, 2 vets, 3 yard staff, 3 sedations and 2 hours later we had one unlocked but very sore horse in no state to travel to the vets

Take 2 a few days later and we made it to the vets for a less eventful scope this time no blood, no ulcers, and a perfectly pink tummy - waved on our way with blessings to carry on as normal and resume full work.

picture the following day:
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Around this time we had a very frank discussion about Pips future, my aim to be competitive at something and Pips aim to be a happy hacker come hunter were always going to bump heads, after thinking long an hard i decided i was always going to be trying to get a square peg in a round hole, as talented and as promising as she showed potential to be, it was never easy and some days she was on side and some days she didn't want to play ball and it was breaking my heart. We decided she would either go to my Farrier and his partner for hacking and pub rides and a bit of fun, or have an extended field holiday on the farm and i'd find something else more suited to the job. Next mistake - thinking i could ever give her up!

Fast forward a week and confident with my decision, we went on a fun ride with some friends and hd such a lovely after noon cantering through open field, jumping all sorts and enjoying each others company with no pressure. Bliss! Fast forward to the next morning, i get another phone call at 8am - never a good start - to tell me Pips completely lame, hopping in from the field and trying not to bare weight on her off fore. Whether this has something to do with the ride or something she did overnight we don't know. I trotted her up as i always do when we get back from a comp and she was sound and happy on the concrete about 2 hours later, and when i went back a following 4 hours later to put a rug on she trotted over the field again as sound as a pound so who knows!

Please don't think i pushed a horse who had only just 'come right' she had been in full hacking work throughout her treatment for the ulcers and the vets were happy for her to go there was little difference between this ride than the ride we had been doing for weeks round the farm.

Initial thought was suspensory or abscess so called the vet out who thinks we are looking at either DDFT or Suspensory, she was very tender on the tendon and showed no reaction to hoof testers, so now we wait some more for the swelling to subside before we can scan, and my days now consist of frequent trips to the yard to cold hose, change ice boots, and muck out!

So thats it, looks like this summer is off the cards already and it hadn't even begun! Apologies for a very self pittying post but i have completely had enough of horses and vets!
 
Don't you just love them!
Problem is, it is always the ones that tug your heart strings that things happen to. The ignored/ not looked after nag down the road in terrible pasture with no shelter, let alone farrier or dentist or vet, never seems to get anything wrong with it. Unfortunately some individual horses just seem to be accident/incident prone and no matter what you do they keep having problems.
Sorry i can't wave a magic wand, but you can be assured that everyone who reads your post would want to.
Not that any of this is of any help to you! But at least you know you are doing your best.
Best wishes to you and Pip for a speedy effecitve recovery from everything.
 
Couldn't read and run! Huge hugs. I know exactly how you feel - I have 4 horses and at the moment 2 off with injuries, one is retired anyway and the other continues to provide a continuing education for the vet students at my vets on what seems like a daily basis (and no it's not me because they are all under different management arrangements/yards/with other riders)! Horses are just the most incredibly fragile and expensive creatures - fingers crossed she is ok soon...
 
Try and get a good chriopractor out to assess her whole skeletal frame. It may be that there is something out somewhere that has been causing her to overcompensate. Stress of this kind can bring on ulcers and can cause tendon and lameness issues eventually as there's only so long certain structures can cope with the work of the "off" structures if that makes sense.

For the sake of £40, I think it's definitely worth it. If it doesn't show anything up, fine, your horse gets a good work over anyway, but if it does, you could end up fixing the root cause of what could all just be symptoms.

Bless you, sounds like a proper rollercoaster! :(
 
What a nightmare. I had a 2014 like that with constant accidents, injuries and then rehab (for both me and the horse!). Fingers crossed it comes right for you.
 
Just so you knwo you are not alone - I (and I am sure most HHOers) have had periods like this! You will come out the other end of it I am sure. Sounds like you are doing everything you can to help this horse so I'm sure things will come good for you - sit tight! xx
 
Thanks all - leg is looking so much better today - i couldn't get down yesterday and the difference today since wednesday is brilliant - my yard have been so fantastic with swapping her cold boots over constantly through out the day, but the swelling in the affected leg was almost non existent today - just the other three legs are fat after having stood in for 5 days! Hoping that things aren't as bad as they first seemed but we still won't know until the vet comes back out!

Try and get a good chriopractor out to assess her whole skeletal frame. It may be that there is something out somewhere that has been causing her to overcompensate. Stress of this kind can bring on ulcers and can cause tendon and lameness issues eventually as there's only so long certain structures can cope with the work of the "off" structures if that makes sense.

For the sake of £40, I think it's definitely worth it. If it doesn't show anything up, fine, your horse gets a good work over anyway, but if it does, you could end up fixing the root cause of what could all just be symptoms.

Bless you, sounds like a proper rollercoaster! :(

Thanks GG - she has regular sports massage every 6 weeks and I had Vet Physio out about 4 weeks ago, and the vets have looked her over and there doesn't seem to be any root cause, and nothing seems to be related or the root cause, although this is obviously hard to test or prove. The ulcers we think are a result of a 12 week bute trial she was on last year for her stifle re-hab, however they seem to have been made worse by the development of gingivitis and the first stages of periodontal disease which developed without my original vet or the EDT picking up!
 
neurghhhhh :( HORSES! You poor things. Hope the leg continues to improve and you can get back on track soon x
 
I looked at the two pictures first and then read the blurb . My first "gut reaction" if you will forgive the terrible pun (and probably not in the least funny considering we are talking about your beloved horse)was that there was a very uncomfortable horse . My first action would be to take this horse off haylage. Feed the best hay you can find (and if you cant find,PM me) forget about concentrates ,good hay will cover any needs . Haylege has saved many horses with respiratory problems ,but it does cause a whole host of problems too. I know that on a forum there is a lot of "advice " put forward ,mostly well meaning ,but not often based on years of hard experience. I do have rather a lot of years behind me and if this were my horse the first thing I would do is go to top quality hay and clear the ulcers that I am pretty sure he has. Feel free to pm me if you want to chat further.
 
My first action would be to take this horse off haylage. Feed the best hay you can find (and if you cant find,PM me) forget about concentrates ,good hay will cover any needs .
Yes, sometimes, but scientific research has shown that haylage is better for gastric ulcers than hay, so the person may just be following the correct advice from the vet.
 
Hi Mike, Thank you for your advice however we were feeding the haylege with the blessing of the vet as wkiwi said, and as she then scoped clear only 6 weeks later i don't think this was to the detrimental effect of the horse. She is much more comfortable and happy since treatment although in the second picture she was waiting for her dinner and couldn't spare a smile, so please do take my word for it! As she's now on box rest and hence no exercise she is on hay for the time being anyway, although she doesn't eat as much of this as she would the haylege so we may have to compromise with 50/50
 
Hi Mike, Thank you for your advice however we were feeding the haylege with the blessing of the vet as wkiwi said, and as she then scoped clear only 6 weeks later i don't think this was to the detrimental effect of the horse. She is much more comfortable and happy since treatment although in the second picture she was waiting for her dinner and couldn't spare a smile, so please do take my word for it! As she's now on box rest and hence no exercise she is on hay for the time being anyway, although she doesn't eat as much of this as she would the haylege so we may have to compromise with 50/50

That sounds sensible. The biggest problem with haylage is that in order to feed sufficient long fibre to protect the stomach ,we would have to feed far more energy than is sensible and there are often further complications further down the gut. Remember that it is dry matter content that counts so the equivalent amount of haylage compared with hay is half as much again .Or in other words ,if a horse eats 10 kg of hay a day ,he would need 15 of haylage to have the same level of long fibre intake. This is the fundamental problem with haylage.
 
T,we would have to feed far more energy than is sensible.
Yes, I agree with some aspects of this and don't feed haylage regularly myself. However, be aware that an animal that is injured or post-operative can need up to three times the normal MJ, and the history of this particular case suggests he was having problems maintaining condition anyway while injured, so the extra energy combined with the ulcer-protectant effects of haylage would be a viable decision (not suggesting it is ideal for every horse, but then neither is hay).
Best wishes.
 
Ah I don't know what to say other that huge hugs! Horses are never easy are they! However I have to say its very refreshing seeing a horse of her type look so fit and well.. I know she's had those health issues but you can tell how well cared for she is!! :) X
 
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