fruity
Well-Known Member
Ok so i know this post isn't really for the CR section but feel you guys are....well kinder than NL!
I will try and make a long story short so here goes...... (ok it may be a long one,sorry in advance!)
After much money spending,determination and well tears..... i am at the end of the line with my vvvv quirky young anglo arab.
I really am just looking for your views on the situation and where you would go from here if he was yours.....
I went to see him back in early march and he was advertised as any other advert bar needing a exp home who can bring him on (he is a 5 yr old by Bandmaster,15.2hh chesnut and totally stunning!) the advert sounded ok,thought he was just what i was after (eventual rc all rounder/endurance prospect but needed some work/education) so went off to view him,saw owner who had him in,tacked him up,seemed v friendly and well mannered. I asked if he could be trotted up,o seemed v wary of him so got her OH to trot him up,he behaved v well. I asked if i could see him being ridden,o said her friend had been riding him as he had bucked the actual owner off once when they backed him (o is a nervy rider) alarm bells did ring a bit but lady was vvv nervy so thought i'd wait until i saw the friend ride him. Friend got on and she was v confident and he did try and bronc when she got on a couple of times but was as good as gold after (apparently that was his normal thing to do and then settles) then i got on and although quite lazy he went into walk,trot and canter and gave me a nice ride with good paces,thought def potential there.
Now his background was that he was abandoned from 9 mths (prev at a arab stud) to 4 yrs of age,has not had a lets say a caring past to put it mildy. The owner had rescued him and at that time he was only halter trained.
So anyway agreed with owner i would have him on a 2 week trial,in that time he wasn't too bad,i realised quite soon he is a dominant horse and on the ground was quite pushy,did a lot of in hand work with him and v good to do in that respect now. The first time i took him out for a hack he did his bronc thing when i got on but with a couple of loud no's he was a angel after and was good on the whole ride. He did one the next time i got on and then proceeded to be a angel on the other rides until trial was up. Now as he is tricky a little and does have a few sarcoids around his willy i didn't pay a fortune for him but still a fair amount,he was 2 stage vetted,vet thought he had near perfect confo and was a little cracker! (i work at a vets so they wouldn't of lied!)
We agreed a price and he was mine.
Unfortunately literally the day after i bought him he vertically reared with me for the first time on a vertical hill and also added 2 big proper tb bucks into it,scary the life out of me and my friend who he nearly landed on riding my other horse.
I thought i'd get everything checked over as thought his saddle might of been too tight or similar. Saddler came,saddle a little tight so went up from a M to a MW saddle,physio out,not much going on,a little knot maybe behind one shoulder but nothing at to make him rear or buck. Vet came and did a full lameness type work up,checked his back area,eyes,you name it,bar x rays i've had it all.
I perservered still and after new saddle he was a good boy on a hack,then started taking him in the school and to lunge he is a real pro (old o mainly lunged him when her friend couldn't ride him so a dab hand) sadly when you ask him to trot he either rears or bucks,it does not feel like a pain type thing it feels like he's saying Na! can't be arsed so f5ck off! He is for his breeding vvvv backward and sooo lazy. On a hack once we were doing a very lovely collected canter but i wanted to open it up a bit,but he wasn't up for it so decided to stop dead and rear! Like i said he is a very dominant horse and i really think he's been allowed to get away with soo much before i got him that i was never really going to stand much chance. He really does have the most tremendous tantrums,but with it he is very cuddly on the ground and v loving,he is not a spooky type out hacking and most things don't phase him apart from when his rider asks for something he doesn't want to do.
I kept going in the school so i could start going to some walk/trot tests and he did start to be ok sometimes,went to a vvv low key dressage (on my birthday,not a good idea for your spirits with a naughty young horse!!) and he was fine until i asked for trot in the warm and he went bolt upright. Carried on in walk for a bit,after a bit he stopped dead,i kicked,could not get him to walk on,my friend cam over and literally put her hand on his reins and he reared up again strking her shoulder on the way down. He also did a couple of bucks in the warm up too. I did do my test but in places he refused to trot on,i felt if i had smacked him with the whip he would of had the biggest tantrum and i know he would of got me off so i left it there after he finished my first test and went home. He was totally fine when he was back at the trailer and travelled great as always home.
So since then i havn't really ridden him as tbh i am now getting v wary of him,i really don't know what he's going to do when i get on him (just buck/just rear/both!),one day he's fine the next he's a nightmare. I've had vvv quirky ones in the past but he is a different story!
I could get x rays etc done but at the same time i've spent a fortune on him already and havn't been able to go for more than 3 nice hacks in these past 4 mths.
I thought about sending him off to a naughty horse specialist but in these past 2 weeks he has attacked my dartmoor gelding pony twice in the field and i saw him go from being normal Castielle to evil Castielle in less than 2 secs,similar to when i ride him,it literally comes out of no where. He is now seperated from my others but can still see other horses.
I am thinking the kindest thing would be to get him PTS as he will never be able to be a companion at least,although he does seem ok with mares when turned out.
I rang his old owner to tell her what's been happening last week and i was shocked when she said he had got 2 pro's off apparently last year rearing hence why she didn't ever ride him again when he got her off! (if i was told that when i viewed him i wouldn't of even got on him!) She also said if i hadn't come along he would of had the bullet and that if i chose that route she wouldn't blame me for it! Wasn't that happy after that tel convo.... real truths came out.
It's wierd as i really do care about him and love him dearly even though he does try and kill me,he is a stunning horse and has moves to die for! He has shown some nice work when i've ridden him but he takes two steps back the next time you get on. He has done 2 long endurance rides with me and we went with 2 pro riders and he led the whole way and through 2 river crossings and i feel he would be ok to do that as it's in the school he does it now,hacks seem to be ok. The 2 ladies thought he was very good and that he could go all the way if i was serious enough.He has a great heart beat and can really cover the ground so that could be a maybe. I'm so unsure as to what's best,where to start?
So sorry it's been a ridiculously long post,can offer homemade lemonade and shortbread.
Any advice/thoughts,please be kind i am in a mess about the whole thing (((
I will try and make a long story short so here goes...... (ok it may be a long one,sorry in advance!)
After much money spending,determination and well tears..... i am at the end of the line with my vvvv quirky young anglo arab.
I really am just looking for your views on the situation and where you would go from here if he was yours.....
I went to see him back in early march and he was advertised as any other advert bar needing a exp home who can bring him on (he is a 5 yr old by Bandmaster,15.2hh chesnut and totally stunning!) the advert sounded ok,thought he was just what i was after (eventual rc all rounder/endurance prospect but needed some work/education) so went off to view him,saw owner who had him in,tacked him up,seemed v friendly and well mannered. I asked if he could be trotted up,o seemed v wary of him so got her OH to trot him up,he behaved v well. I asked if i could see him being ridden,o said her friend had been riding him as he had bucked the actual owner off once when they backed him (o is a nervy rider) alarm bells did ring a bit but lady was vvv nervy so thought i'd wait until i saw the friend ride him. Friend got on and she was v confident and he did try and bronc when she got on a couple of times but was as good as gold after (apparently that was his normal thing to do and then settles) then i got on and although quite lazy he went into walk,trot and canter and gave me a nice ride with good paces,thought def potential there.
Now his background was that he was abandoned from 9 mths (prev at a arab stud) to 4 yrs of age,has not had a lets say a caring past to put it mildy. The owner had rescued him and at that time he was only halter trained.
So anyway agreed with owner i would have him on a 2 week trial,in that time he wasn't too bad,i realised quite soon he is a dominant horse and on the ground was quite pushy,did a lot of in hand work with him and v good to do in that respect now. The first time i took him out for a hack he did his bronc thing when i got on but with a couple of loud no's he was a angel after and was good on the whole ride. He did one the next time i got on and then proceeded to be a angel on the other rides until trial was up. Now as he is tricky a little and does have a few sarcoids around his willy i didn't pay a fortune for him but still a fair amount,he was 2 stage vetted,vet thought he had near perfect confo and was a little cracker! (i work at a vets so they wouldn't of lied!)
We agreed a price and he was mine.
Unfortunately literally the day after i bought him he vertically reared with me for the first time on a vertical hill and also added 2 big proper tb bucks into it,scary the life out of me and my friend who he nearly landed on riding my other horse.
I thought i'd get everything checked over as thought his saddle might of been too tight or similar. Saddler came,saddle a little tight so went up from a M to a MW saddle,physio out,not much going on,a little knot maybe behind one shoulder but nothing at to make him rear or buck. Vet came and did a full lameness type work up,checked his back area,eyes,you name it,bar x rays i've had it all.
I perservered still and after new saddle he was a good boy on a hack,then started taking him in the school and to lunge he is a real pro (old o mainly lunged him when her friend couldn't ride him so a dab hand) sadly when you ask him to trot he either rears or bucks,it does not feel like a pain type thing it feels like he's saying Na! can't be arsed so f5ck off! He is for his breeding vvvv backward and sooo lazy. On a hack once we were doing a very lovely collected canter but i wanted to open it up a bit,but he wasn't up for it so decided to stop dead and rear! Like i said he is a very dominant horse and i really think he's been allowed to get away with soo much before i got him that i was never really going to stand much chance. He really does have the most tremendous tantrums,but with it he is very cuddly on the ground and v loving,he is not a spooky type out hacking and most things don't phase him apart from when his rider asks for something he doesn't want to do.
I kept going in the school so i could start going to some walk/trot tests and he did start to be ok sometimes,went to a vvv low key dressage (on my birthday,not a good idea for your spirits with a naughty young horse!!) and he was fine until i asked for trot in the warm and he went bolt upright. Carried on in walk for a bit,after a bit he stopped dead,i kicked,could not get him to walk on,my friend cam over and literally put her hand on his reins and he reared up again strking her shoulder on the way down. He also did a couple of bucks in the warm up too. I did do my test but in places he refused to trot on,i felt if i had smacked him with the whip he would of had the biggest tantrum and i know he would of got me off so i left it there after he finished my first test and went home. He was totally fine when he was back at the trailer and travelled great as always home.
So since then i havn't really ridden him as tbh i am now getting v wary of him,i really don't know what he's going to do when i get on him (just buck/just rear/both!),one day he's fine the next he's a nightmare. I've had vvv quirky ones in the past but he is a different story!
I could get x rays etc done but at the same time i've spent a fortune on him already and havn't been able to go for more than 3 nice hacks in these past 4 mths.
I thought about sending him off to a naughty horse specialist but in these past 2 weeks he has attacked my dartmoor gelding pony twice in the field and i saw him go from being normal Castielle to evil Castielle in less than 2 secs,similar to when i ride him,it literally comes out of no where. He is now seperated from my others but can still see other horses.
I am thinking the kindest thing would be to get him PTS as he will never be able to be a companion at least,although he does seem ok with mares when turned out.
I rang his old owner to tell her what's been happening last week and i was shocked when she said he had got 2 pro's off apparently last year rearing hence why she didn't ever ride him again when he got her off! (if i was told that when i viewed him i wouldn't of even got on him!) She also said if i hadn't come along he would of had the bullet and that if i chose that route she wouldn't blame me for it! Wasn't that happy after that tel convo.... real truths came out.
It's wierd as i really do care about him and love him dearly even though he does try and kill me,he is a stunning horse and has moves to die for! He has shown some nice work when i've ridden him but he takes two steps back the next time you get on. He has done 2 long endurance rides with me and we went with 2 pro riders and he led the whole way and through 2 river crossings and i feel he would be ok to do that as it's in the school he does it now,hacks seem to be ok. The 2 ladies thought he was very good and that he could go all the way if i was serious enough.He has a great heart beat and can really cover the ground so that could be a maybe. I'm so unsure as to what's best,where to start?
So sorry it's been a ridiculously long post,can offer homemade lemonade and shortbread.
Any advice/thoughts,please be kind i am in a mess about the whole thing (((