opinions on this horse please?

is he 6 in this video? if so i'm not keen at all. he seems genuine enough in that he's jumped everything but his flatwork is all over the place (he seems quite 'heady'/ often disunited etc)...i guess it depends how much he is really :)
 
diggerbez said:
is he 6 in this video? if so i'm not keen at all. he seems genuine enough in that he's jumped everything but his flatwork is all over the place (he seems quite 'heady'/ often disunited etc)...i guess it depends how much he is really :)
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I thought this, and he jumps quite hollow, but then I assumed he was only about 4 or something in the video??? But yes he is genuine, even when he's unsure he'll leap rather than stop.
 
Hi yes this video is from the weekend. as far as i understand it, he did the 4yo classes (1.05m) , then pretty much nothing since as been owned by a young girl and he was a bit much for her. he has been back in work a month. I would agree, very green and a bit kamikaze. priced reasonably given his greenness. under 3k.
 
I'm sorry, I don't like it at all :( The canter is poor quality, horse seems not only green but proper backwards, wrong lead or disunited most of the time. Jumps like a llama, argumentative mouth and in general nothing special at all.
 
I dislike it a lot. Terrible technique behind- in fact I'd say not so much technique as looks as though it has a sore back and is trying to protect itself. The only reasons its not having poles everywhere is the height of the fences. IMHO :(
 
There is a lot to like with this horse, he has nice basic paces, although canter and trot are nicer than his walk which could do with more ground cover. He's a little green and perhaps a little spooky. Main issue for me is he isn't really between hand and leg and he needs to be more off the leg and soft in his neck. The first small fence he pops is nice an perhaps gives a better indication of what he is capable of - especially is he has been out of work for a while. Going disunited in this case doesn't worry me, he's green and slightly distracted and its exacerbated by not being soft and in front of the leg. I would whack him in a pair of draw reins for a bit, soften him and probably do quite a bit of pole work to get him adjustable, listening and his canter stronger. Would be interested to know how he is bred.
 
It looks like nobody ever took the time to actually teach him to jump properly which would fit with jumping the 4yo classes. He has nice enough paces and can jump well enough and does seem genuine and bold BUT it does seem like he can be scared when jumping and panics which goes back to the never being properly taught.

I would expect him to be well under 3k though because to me it looks more like there are things to reschool rather than just greeness and this is alot harder and takes alot longer.
 
It would be nice to see the comparison if the rider was to hold him together. He appears very green and to be honest you could pick up a genuine ex racer for a lot cheaper if you wanted something to work on. I do agree that he seems to hollow over the fence as if to protect himself.
 
1t34 said:
There is a lot to like with this horse, he has nice basic paces, although canter and trot are nicer than his walk which could do with more ground cover. He's a little green and perhaps a little spooky. Main issue for me is he isn't really between hand and leg and he needs to be more off the leg and soft in his neck. The first small fence he pops is nice an perhaps gives a better indication of what he is capable of - especially is he has been out of work for a while. Going disunited in this case doesn't worry me, he's green and slightly distracted and its exacerbated by not being soft and in front of the leg. I would whack him in a pair of draw reins for a bit, soften him and probably do quite a bit of pole work to get him adjustable, listening and his canter stronger. Would be interested to know how he is bred.
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Would also be interested to know how he is bred?
 
Sadly, don't like at all. I wouldn't be surprised if there was something niggling away with this horse. It looks uncomfortable, as well as green. I don't like the inconsistent contact, nor the constant disuniting and looks difficult to maintain a canter in the warm up. I think there are better green horses out there. I would want a serious vetting to rule out sacro-iliac, suspensory type problems first, before buying.
 
I like it, and think that actually for the price you'd be getting a lot of horse.

Yes it's clearly weak and needs plenty of work on the flat, but it has a nice jump. I think if its only been back in work for a month then its not doing badly - I'd want to take it back to basics for a while and do lots of flatwork to really strengthen it up.

Would be worth getting a proper vetting too, as it does look a little uncomfortable but this could just be because it is pushed out of its physical comfort zone with what they are asking.

I find the rider quite odd though. He seems to be really leaning back a lot, and heavily driving with his legs, which makes me wonder if the horse is a lot stronger than it looks. I think definitely worth a look, but just go with your eyes wide open!
 
I think he looks a nice type and just needs abit more schooling.Hes very honest with his jumping.my 8 year old would have had a look at that water jump!for under 3k its a nice horse and think wld b up for more than that where i live.
 
I don't think its that bad either. Its six - a lot of big horses aren't mature at that age - my ISH was a skinny gangly thing at 5/6 that couldn't even do that level of schooling. By 7 he had filled out and was more balanced. Personally I would be more wary of a 6yr old that had been over schooled and draw reined! For the right price, with time and schooling he could end up quite a nice horse.
 
I think its rather ordinary and I don't like its style of jumping - it dangles its legs over the jumps and makes no effort to tuck them up, which I like to see even in a young horse. Yes, you could school him and improve him of course but perhaps just to a nice riding club type. The rider is sitting back trying to look as if he isn't doing anything but I wonder if the horse is collapsing onto his forehand and he is actually holding him together quite a lot.
 
Not overly keen, it's alright is as far as I'd go. I've seen nicer green 6yo's & 5yos than him for under 3k, they had a better technique and nicer paces than he does, and were better developed than he is. Is he a fir bit under 3k, he should be, I could pick that type of thing up for around £1500.00 with a bit of looking and asking.

He looks like a 4yo in terms of development, but that will come and he will probably blossom in a year or so into a better looking horse. He looks as if he needs to do a fair bit of long and low to get him stretching and to stop him hollowing, and back to basics with his pole work as his jump is rather gung-ho and quite untidy looking.

On the other hand, you take into account it's only been in work a month, previously ridden by a less experienced person, with some work I imagine he will come right and be a good useful horse, he is honest and isn't battling too much considering circumstances. I'd rather him than those 6yo's that have done far to much, their brains are blown and all they can do is wildly canter on the spot and rear at the sight of a jump.

I dunno though, I have to 'see something' and I know when I do see 'it' in a horse, even as a 3yo they will have 'it', and, for me, personally he doesn't.
(do not even ask me what 'it' is because I couldn't tell you myself!)
 
He looks alright although I wouldn't be suprised if he had a back problem as he looks very uncomfortable jumping.. There isn't really a lot about him I like. A bit lacking in something but can't quite put my finger on it...
 
martlin said:
I'm sorry, I don't like it at all :( The canter is poor quality, horse seems not only green but proper backwards, wrong lead or disunited most of the time. Jumps like a llama, argumentative mouth and in general nothing special at all.
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the llama had style!


tbh op i dont think the rider was helping the horse and it looked fairly strong to jump.
 
jhoward said:
the llama had style!


tbh op i dont think the rider was helping the horse and it looked fairly strong to jump.
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admittedly, your llama jumps better :D Probably better description would be a kangaroo on speed for this horse ;)
A fair bit of work goes into 4 yo that jump age classes, I dread to think what this one has been through since if at 6 it looks like that :o
 
I think he'd do better reschooled as a dressage horse. He's got three lovely paces, is built uphill etc. And if he was a bit strong and worked correctly I think he'd be really smart.
 
He looks uncomfortable in his quarters/hips/hocks to me, he isn't moving very well behind and I think he could have underlying issues there.
 
I like him and for under 3k and only 6 I would definitely be prepared to put a bit of work into him and I think I would enjoy doing it to. Just the sort I would like to play with.
 
I think its a nice sort, and looks very willing, which is trainable.
He does look a bit weak behind and unbalanced at times. Vet check and also physio check if your thinking about it.
Back to good schooling basics and get the flatwork sorted out, this in turn will improve the quality of canter and the jumping. Ive seen alot worse and the price would need to be pretty negotiable for me
 
TBH he is a lovely horse and the rider is crap! the rider is not doing the horse any favours.

I would ask to see the horse loose jumped and make a judgement based on how he jumps naturally (Without any idiot rider on his back!) He gives each jump a fair amount of room, he is green and does need further schooling, but I like him.
 
It taken me a while to think whether it is the horse I dont like or the rider. I have come to a decision that i think the rider makes the horse look horrible and would like to see how he goes with a much better one. Horse looks very unbalanced and needs somebody who can help keep him together. Also dont think he looks right behind but it could just be weakness
 
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