Opinions on this horse please

I would say don't have it. The conformation is less than perfect, but it is the fact that you are not sure that clinches it for me. To me I have to NEED the horse before I will take it on, if there is any second thought then rely on your gut feeling.
 
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I would say don't have it. The conformation is less than perfect, but it is the fact that you are not sure that clinches it for me. To me I have to NEED the horse before I will take it on, if there is any second thought then rely on your gut feeling.
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To be honest prior to this I was a 100% sure otherwise I wouldn't be wasting the sellers time with a short trial...
 
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I really like her....lol

Oh and no Spurs or spur marks....
 
From this photo, it does look like toe first landing. There is a darkened area that may suggest spurs. But despite all this negativity, I think having a kind biddable nature is very important. It's my number one requirement in fact. I have known plenty of horses with poor conformation that have stayed sound and performed at a reasonable level. I would, however, want to look into her soundness more thoroughly before making a purchase. Get her vetted and perhaps even foot xrays.
 
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Wagtail said:
Those who say toe first landing - I can't tell from that photograph as the right front has just picked up and is on its way forward. It will land at least another foot in front of where it is now. Plenty time to extend and for the heel to land first. I am not saying the horse is not showing toe first landing, just saying that I cannot tell whether this is the case from the photograph. If you can tell that from the photograph I am looking at, then you are exceptionally clever.
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Nah, not exceptionally clever....I wish!....just interpreting the single photo differently to you. However, it is all we have to go on and am happy to debate. My interpretation was based on the following: a very crude measurement of the distance between the NH toe and the OH heel. I then tried to compare with the fronts; the NF is in the stance phase so I tried to extrapolate the distance between the fores forwards to where I guessed the OF would land, based on the measurement between the hinds. The distance from where the OF toe is in the photo (in the early stages of the strike-off phase, I agree) to where I guess it will land, based on the hind measurement, is IMO not sufficient for it to 'throw the knee' and land heel first. Just my opinion.
 
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Wagtail said:
Those who say toe first landing - I can't tell from that photograph as the right front has just picked up and is on its way forward. It will land at least another foot in front of where it is now. Plenty time to extend and for the heel to land first. I am not saying the horse is not showing toe first landing, just saying that I cannot tell whether this is the case from the photograph. If you can tell that from the photograph I am looking at, then you are exceptionally clever.
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Wagtail said:
From this photo, it does look like toe first landing. There is a darkened area that may suggest spurs. But despite all this negativity, I think having a kind biddable nature is very important. It's my number one requirement in fact. I have known plenty of horses with poor conformation that have stayed sound and performed at a reasonable level. I would, however, want to look into her soundness more thoroughly before making a purchase. Get her vetted and perhaps even foot xrays.
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Wagtail....Cross-posted with you! Took me a couple of attempts to do my last post to check I'd got my NH/OH and NF/OF correct....maybe a glass too many of wine already??! :)
 
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Shady said:
what bothers me is all the leather clobber on it, can't imagine having to ride either of my horses in all that stuff
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Leather work? I ride all of mine with a breast girth and flash (purely because plain bridles barely exist anymore) a martingale wasn't used when I rode as I asked to ride without it. It's just what they have as standard on their bridles. Horse is at a dealer
 
What's her breeding? What were the results at the 90cm comps she participated in and were they affiliated ones..........ie ones that can be validated? Also, details of her passport issuers? Finally, who do you normally hunt with...ie what sort of country does she need to cross. You also mention SJing....what level do you wish to compete at?
 
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what bothers me is all the leather clobber on it, can't imagine having to ride either of my horses in all that stuff
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Really? I see a breastplate, a loose enough running martingale and a flash. It's a 4 yo being ridden by a girl who may not know it inside out. Breastplateis sensible on a ypung undeveloped horse, a running martingale is a perfectly acceptable piece of kit as it doesn't look like a dressage yard, and some people ride young horses in a flash. It's not cutting it's nose off. This doesn't mean it's been ruined and doesn't mean the op won't be having merry old time hunting in a cavasson shortly.
op apart from the front legs, which are important, horse looks fine.
 
gunnergundog said:
What's her breeding? What were the results at the 90cm comps she participated in and were they affiliated ones..........ie ones that can be validated? Also, details of her passport issuers? Finally, who do you normally hunt with...ie what sort of country does she need to cross. You also mention SJing....what level do you wish to compete at?
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Breeding unknown...
Affiliated and validated. Good dressage, 4 faults SJ and clear xc but lots of time penalties
Not sure on passport
Heythrop country but I'm not silly brave
SJ 3ft maybe 3ft 3
Thank you
 
loobylu said:
Really? I see a breastplate, a loose enough running martingale and a flash. It's a 4 yo being ridden by a girl who may not know it inside out. Breastplateis sensible on a ypung undeveloped horse, a running martingale is a perfectly acceptable piece of kit as it doesn't look like a dressage yard, and some people ride young horses in a flash. It's not cutting it's nose off. This doesn't mean it's been ruined and doesn't mean the op won't be having merry old time hunting in a cavasson shortly.
op apart from the front legs, which are important, horse looks fine.
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Thank you, was very surprised about the leatherwork comment TBH

She has a clean vetting from October but I need to find out how in depth the vettings are from Ireland...
 
Aleka81 said:
Breeding unknown...
Affiliated and validated. Good dressage, 4 faults SJ and clear xc but lots of time penalties
Not sure on passport
Heythrop country but I'm not silly brave
SJ 3ft maybe 3ft 3
Thank you
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I tend to buy mine cheap but for me, it'd be 2.5k at a stretch.. I'd be paying 2k for her probably.
 
aleka81 said:
thank you, was very surprised about the leatherwork comment tbh

she has a clean vetting from october but i need to find out how in depth the vettings are from ireland...
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do not under any circumstance rely on a vetting from ireland that took place three months ago!!!!
 
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Wagtail....Cross-posted with you! Took me a couple of attempts to do my last post to check I'd got my NH/OH and NF/OF correct....maybe a glass too many of wine already??! :)
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Haha - just started on the wine now. :D Looks like you are indeed very clever because you predicted toe first landing from the first pic and I could only see it in the second pic.
 
Whether or not you buy this horse I would always say (especially when buying from a dealer) get your own vetting done even if a very recent pass is available for you to see, try to attend the vetting if at all possible, choose the vet yourself and do your best to ensure that the vet does not have connections to the yard/horse. It is sensible to be cautious when a lot of money/time/heartache is on the line.
 
2k for a 4 yr old that's competing at 90 and hunts, presumably sensibly?!
I'd say 4-5k, more if she was better put together
 
She is definitely not my type and I would prefer 4 yr olds not to have done anywhere near as much as she is said to have done but if I were considering buying her and going to have her at my yard for a trial, I would want my farrier to have a look at her and give an opinion on how much her feet/way of going/ leg confo could be improved with good farriery.

If you like her enough to be taking her on trial, OP, why on earth are you asking for opinions on here?

Having said that, I can never understand why people post photos of other people's horses and ask for opinions about them, I prefer to make up my own mind about horses that I view.
 
TheMule said:
2k for a 4 yr old that's competing at 90 and hunts, presumably sensibly?!
I'd say 4-5k, more if she was better put together
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For a 4 year old that competes CONSISTANTLY (as opposed to a one-off) at 90 and hunts....SEEN in the field as being sensible and good with hounds etc, then yes, 2K.

4-5K if better put together, yes, BUT she's NOT. And to be honest, for Heythrop country, I wouldn't pay 2K unless you are just an occasional rail jumper...not being rude, just trying to be realistic as to what she will stand up to.
 
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Pearlsacarolsinger said:
She is definitely not my type and I would prefer 4 yr olds not to have done anywhere near as much as she is said to have done but if I were considering buying her and going to have her at my yard for a trial, I would want my farrier to have a look at her and give an opinion on how much her feet/way of going/ leg confo could be improved with good farriery.

If you like her enough to be taking her on trial, OP, why on earth are you asking for opinions on here?

Having said that, I can never understand why people post photos of other people's horses and ask for opinions about them, I prefer to make up my own mind about horses that I view.
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Thank you re the advice of farrier to view

I have edited all people out and was interested in opinions and glad I asked as quite a big thing has been noted that I hadn't seen...
Sometimes this forum is brilliant like the 53 previous posts and then there always has to be one person who makes me wonder why I bother using it at all anymore!
 
Nice above the legs... Front legs look like they won't take hard landings over jumps, back legs are not bad but a bti long in the cannon - can't see it being above a riding club/amateur horse but it does have a nice shoulder.
 
SusieT said:
Nice above the legs... Front legs look like they won't take hard landings over jumps, back legs are not bad but a bti long in the cannon - can't see it being above a riding club/amateur horse but it does have a nice shoulder.
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I have no serious aspirations anymore and horses are most definitely just for fun for me. I never intend to BE again so maybe with a vetting and farriers opinion that are ok she might be able to do a job for me. Thank you
 
Aleka81 said:
Thank you, was very surprised about the leatherwork comment TBH

She has a clean vetting from October but I need to find out how in depth the vettings are from Ireland...
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Do not depend on a three month old vetting where ever it's been done .
I would never depend on a vetting that where I have not instructed the vet .
 
Aleka81 said:
Thank you re the advice of farrier to view

I have edited all people out and was interested in opinions and glad I asked as quite a big thing has been noted that I hadn't seen...
Sometimes this forum is brilliant like the 53 previous posts and then there always has to be one person who makes me wonder why I bother using it at all anymore!
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Oops...sorry, if that was me, wasn't meaning to cause offence. Comments based on my genuine belief of the pictures and facts you presented.
 
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