Other liveries "borrowed" my lorry. Bit annoyed !

As everyone else has already said - I would be FUMING! I know how it feels to not want to cause a fuss, but im sorry, under them circumstances, i would go mental! I would recommend; calling the police, and getting the YO to kick them off! Or leave yourself. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! :mad:
 
ROMANY 1959 said:
Oh gosh.. I am so worked up bout this, they are two nice ladies, I think they fuelled it, cos I never left much in the tank. And my insurance is anyone over 25. With permission of course.
Nothing like this has ever happend b4. I got impression from others at yard today that they were desperate to get this horse, and said they would phone me but I was in USA and didn't have phone on all days.. I am a whimp when confronting this sort of thing. I even delayed going to yard today till I knew the lady wasn't there... I can't go in all guns blazing.. Just want know why I wasn't asked, as I said yO was told I knew, but I saw her today and confirmed no one asked me at all.... I was jet lagged and I should have said something when I was told, but its several days now and it's been bugging me and stopping me sleeping, I am a worry bum anyway.. Yard owner real sorry she won't hand over keys again without speak to me first. I can't bear bad feeling on yard..
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I know what you mean, but what if they had totalled your lorry? I doubt they would be dipping their hand into their pockets. They obviously know you are a nice person who will avoid a confrontation so that's probably why they went ahead and did it. If there is any bad feeling on the yard, then it's up to the YO (who should now be giving them notice) to sort out.

Have you got anyone who can talk to them for you?
 
Ok then - the YO handed over the keys without checking with you so let her deal with it, tell her you are reporting it to the police and you want them kicked of the yard. Period !

(still prefer the snow shovel idea though :) )
 
nice ladies my butt. sorry but some people are always nice to you when you have transport and they don't, I lean't the hard way!!

I would be telling YO she should also at least giving them a written warning about lying to her like that what else would they lie to her about to get what they wanted

if you can't confront them you AT LEAST need to leave a letter explaining that what they did was completely unacceptable!! If they were that desperate to get the horse they should have hired a lorry, and if they can't afford that, they can't afford the horse, or to have paid repairs had they damaged yours

ABSOLUTELY NOT ON
 
ROMANY 1959 said:
Oh gosh.. I am so worked up bout this, they are two nice ladies, I think they fuelled it, cos I never left much in the tank. And my insurance is anyone over 25. With permission of course.
Nothing like this has ever happend b4. I got impression from others at yard today that they were desperate to get this horse, and said they would phone me but I was in USA and didn't have phone on all days.. I am a whimp when confronting this sort of thing. I even delayed going to yard today till I knew the lady wasn't there... I can't go in all guns blazing.. Just want know why I wasn't asked, as I said yO was told I knew, but I saw her today and confirmed no one asked me at all.... I was jet lagged and I should have said something when I was told, but its several days now and it's been bugging me and stopping me sleeping, I am a worry bum anyway.. Yard owner real sorry she won't hand over keys again without speak to me first. I can't bear bad feeling on yard..
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Ok OP no offence, I can understand your not wanting to cause bad feeling but what happens the next time they take it?? A horse puts its foot through it, falls in it and has to be cut out etc?? Its your lorry so if you want to be paying costs then fair enough but if you dont say anything then it will continue to happen. So next minute they are using your tack, riding your horse, using your feed/hay/bedding??? People like those only stop when they are confronted. I worked on a yard for over ten years and one person who came on it made free with folks feed and hay, she was skint and really couldnt afford her horse but rather than telling folk was just slyly helping herself. When she was confronted she broke down and confessed but she was still given the choice of paying back what she had taken or handing in her months notice. Taking other folks stuff isnt on.

I wouldnt be wanting to pay the insurance, tax and plating on a lorry for other folks non paying benefit!! Christ I be gunning if anyone took my trailer without permission. Its not much but its blurry mine and I need it in working order. my mare fell in it and trashed the back partitions and i was fine as it was my horse but if anyone else had done that and hadnt paid out to fix it Id be left to pay for it myself and i just dont see how thats justifiable.
 
But they didn't have your permission, so they weren't insured! You must speak to them about it - you already feel uncomfortable going up to the yard; you can't let that get worse.

I'm with the others, I'd say very calmly and politely that you heard they had used it, that you're sorry but you aren't happy for people to use it without your explicit permission because they aren't insured, and then say that it's standard practice to pay £X per mile - and then leave it up to them. I won't say push for payment, because you probably won't feel comfortable doing it, but just outline the situation and let their own consciences get to work. They might not cough up, but at least you've cleared the air and you can be absolutely sure they won't do it again!
 
I'd just go straight to the police, if she later agrees to cough up, you can drop the charges if you are feeling generous. As to what to say, something like this; 'oy, ****, I want a word with you, you thieving ****ing ****. What the **** did you think you were doing taking my lorry you cheeky ****ing ****. I've reported you for theft, & once you've been prosecuted I will be making a claim through the civil courts for damages too. So sit on this ( certain one fingered gesture) & swivel, mother ******'.
 
Next they will be "borrowing" your horse AND lorry to go to shows! Nothing stopping them, I would be mental! How much things cost these days and insurance?!

If they were that desperate for the horse they could have paid a transporter and done it properly Not lied and risked other people's property!

What if your box wants taxed or Insured at that time? You could have had the biggest plenty, There not to know its insured n what not!

She would be getting a world of pain if it was mine!
 
I simply have NO words.... I would be absolutely livid at the ladies and YO, you simply cant call such underhand devious reckless women 'nice!' and no YO worth their salt would ever allow them to stay at their yard after such a situation had occurred as YO I would be mad as hell at what they had pulled and they would be given their marching orders, I would probably be knocking something off your bill too as compensation. As for this 'women' Id have decked them by now. No offense but if you don't approach them over this and put them well and truly back in their box they will consider you a walk over and take the mickey, they sound like the kind of people that 'borrow' feed and bedding and never give it back and forget to tell you. I am utterly livid about this and I don't even know you!
 
I wouldn't worry about causing bad feeling. This is outrageous, they gained it by deception and probably drove it with no insurance and then didn't even replace the fuel?!?! What the actual .....!:mad:
 
If they were 'really nice ladies' they would have hired a 3.5tn, usually about £90 for the day complete with insurance.
Out of all of the 'problems with liveries' threads on here I think this one is the one that would send me into orbit :mad: I would be livid - no, more than that :mad::mad:
They certainly wouldn't have been insured, unless you were prepared to lie for them. Plus the fact they lied to your YO and obviously was hoping that you would never find out !
Well if they were 'really nice ladies' they must also be 'really stupidly dim ladies' aswell.
 
They aren't nice at all op. If your neighbours took your car for a jolly while you were on holiday would you describe them as 'nice'?
 
They aren't nice ladies OP, they are sneaky, devious, p*ss takers! How dare someone use a lorry you tax, mot and insure without your permission! That's outrageous! And they lied to get it! It costs a lot of money to run and maintain a lorry, which you spend so you can use it, not so others can effectively "steal" it when they fancy!
 
Nice..... nice... ladies ????

theiving lyeing scum.... more like

Just print this thread off and leave it in there stable - and hope that they never appear on a yard near me - they would know that they did not take horse boxes without owners permission then !

Complete and utter scum
 
Are the 'thieves' carrying on like they never borrowed it>?

If they are then they know they were in the wrong to take it, I could maybe understand lying to borrow the lorry in extreme circumstances (i.e rescuing a horse, or a trip to the vets) but to not rush to you to apologise and thank you for your understanding as soon as you step back onto the yard smacks of cheaters and thieves through and through!

Bill them, no explanation needed, just bill them, and say if they want to borrow it again in the future then they must book it with you personally.
 
How ridiculous! Do they even have a license to drive it? I'd be LIVID. How dare they? Definitely bill them. And I'd threaten with police action.

Here was me about to start a post about how someone's been using my shavings fork ! :mad::rolleyes:
 
I would be livid if anyone did that to me :mad: firstly you need to make it very clear to the yard owner that nobody uses it unless she has direct instructions from yoo and as for the so called nice ladies they need a major talking to so they never even contemplate using it again. one thing though is that although you should make sure they pay the fuel DO NOT charge them anything for using it or you will be using it for hire or reward and that in itself is very likely to invalidate your insurance
 
Gingerwitch said:
Nice..... nice... ladies ????

theiving lyeing scum.... more like

Just print this thread off and leave it in there stable - and hope that they never appear on a yard near me - they would know that they did not take horse boxes without owners permission then !

Complete and utter scum
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God GW you are on fire tonight.... OP let one of us ring on your behalf;):D Oh and don't worry about creating a bad feeling, because of this they have already created one, you couldn't face going to your yard because of the scum, so who gives a poo? Can't get any worse!
 
Have bit bullet and sent both ladies a text message saying need to see them tomorrow and why I want to see them. They are nice ladies, I understand nine out of ten would be livid, but I can't cause ructions , It's not in my nature. The day they went in lorry was the day I was flying so phone was off for more than 16 hours... I was out of contact all that day. There has to be an explanation or crossed wires. I should not have let it go for 5 days without saying something.
Am I making too many excuses!! Oh we'll I will muster up Dutch courage and confront them in the morning..
 
Outrageous..I'd stay as calm as poss. & write down some points that you want to say & i agree wld be best to sit down with yo present & confront them calmly so you stay in control...I'd say you have reported to police who no doubt will need to interview them. I don't like scenes either but I have a cut off point & will not allow anyone to go beyond it but by staying calm you keep your adrenalin levels low & can think clearly. Good luck don't let those thieving bitches get away with it.
 
I ask and owner for keys to their vehicles to be left with me as it might need moving so I can understand why the YO had the keys.

I would also be in to the thieves to confront them on the matter. They were deceitful and outright lied about permission.

As for not wanting confrontation I cannot understand! The world and its brother is on your side and these people know it. There is nothing to confront.

Bill them for a full tank of fuel and wear and tear and then some for the deceit. Also make sure they know they were not insured as they never had your permission to drive the lorry.
Unless they give a abject apology, tell the police.
 
holeymoley said:
How ridiculous! Do they even have a license to drive it? I'd be LIVID. How dare they? Definitely bill them. And I'd threaten with police action.

Here was me about to start a post about how someone's been using my shavings fork ! :mad::rolleyes:
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Oh that made me smile... They also borrow my barrow and brush and fork. But they do ask..!!
 
Queenbee said:
God GW you are on fire tonight.... OP let one of us ring on your behalf;):D Oh and don't worry about creating a bad feeling, because of this they have already created one, you couldn't face going to your yard because of the scum, so who gives a poo? Can't get any worse!
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QB..... I have a wonderful hubby, that spent a small fortune on my horse box, If I found anyone had even breathed on it, let alone taken it on a pubic highway without my permission I seriously would be in danger of being locked up. That box is my pride and joy, It is valeted every other month, it is immaculate - but tbh if it was a battered old bedford tx I would be as angry.

My question is... have they done any damage to the box either internal to the horse area or driver area or to the engine/clutch, brake system or paint work?
 
No - THEY should have been to speak to you and apologise in the last five days!!! Not you having to speak to them. Anyone genuine and nice would have been straight over to you with a bunch of flowers and an explanation - if there was one... They have skulked and stayed silent - because they know they were in the wrong..

EVERYONE is treating you like a push over, and you are allowing them to. Nobody has done anything to help you or be nice to you - including YO that hasn't said much about it.

You are making excuses for everyone. Nobody else is!! Come on, put yourself first. You're the nice lady, not them.
 
ROMANY 1959 said:
Have bit bullet and sent both ladies a text message saying need to see them tomorrow and why I want to see them. They are nice ladies, I understand nine out of ten would be livid, but I can't cause ructions , It's not in my nature. The day they went in lorry was the day I was flying so phone was off for more than 16 hours... I was out of contact all that day. There has to be an explanation or crossed wires. I should not have let it go for 5 days without saying something.
Am I making too many excuses!! Oh we'll I will muster up Dutch courage and confront them in the morning..
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They are not nice, they are thieves! If they couln't contact you they should have waited until they could, not lied and taken the lorry anyway!

So you were away, but have been back for 5 days - and neither of them have made the effort to call you and speak to you about it? I would still be stuck to the ceiling!
 
I don't blame you for not wanting to cause ructions, as annoyed as I would be in that situation, I am not sure what I would feel comfortable to actually say to them, like you, I really hate confrontation. If they'd never driven a lorry before a, how foolhardy, they really could have been a hazard to themselves, the horse and other road users!
 
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